Electrical question
My 50 Pacemaker is still 6 volts and everything works great. I want to be able to use an FM radio, GPS and cell phone charger and all are 12 volts. I don't want to carry a 12 volt battery around in the trunk that might go dead three or four days into a trip. I don't want to use an inverter as they are limited to what they can supply at one time.
Here is what I want to do !! I want to add another 6 volt battery to my original system and have it wired in series. I want to run the car on six volts just as normal and run all the 12 volt accessories on 12 volts. I want to charge both batteries with one system(maybe a 12 volt alt.). Can anyone tell me how to set this up?? Maybe any other ideas?? Thanks, Richie.
Here is what I want to do !! I want to add another 6 volt battery to my original system and have it wired in series. I want to run the car on six volts just as normal and run all the 12 volt accessories on 12 volts. I want to charge both batteries with one system(maybe a 12 volt alt.). Can anyone tell me how to set this up?? Maybe any other ideas?? Thanks, Richie.
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Before you go that route, are you sure there isn't an inverter that will supply the capacity you need in 12 volts? I'm no electrical guru, but it seems as though you might be able to run a modern-day radio, or GPS, or cellphone charger (or a combination of at least two of the three) from these things. Or have you checked all the available inverters out?
I just notice this unit on Ebay for about $60. It converts from 6 volt pos. ground to 12 volt neg., with 2.4 amps. But, I admit I'm not electrically-minded, so maybe this won't power more than one of the above items. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6-8-12-Volt-Positive-to-Negative-Ground-Radio-Converter_W0QQitemZ230365832369QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090810?IMSfp=TL0908101510006r126910 -
I'm with Jon, Richie ... add up the power requirements (watts or volt-amps) of the prospective equipment you want to run, and try to find an inverter that has double that in capacity. There are some pretty powerful ones out there.0
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Jon B wrote:Before you go that route, are you sure there isn't an inverter that will supply the capacity you need in 12 volts? I'm no electrical guru, but it seems as though you might be able to run a modern-day radio, or GPS, or cellphone charger (or a combination of at least two of the three) from these things. Or have you checked all the available inverters out?
I just notice this unit on Ebay for about $60. It converts from 6 volt pos. ground to 12 volt neg., with 2.4 amps. But, I admit I'm not electrically-minded, so maybe this won't power more than one of the above items. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6-8-12-Volt-Positive-to-Negative-Ground-Radio-Converter_W0QQitemZ230365832369QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090810?IMSfp=TL0908101510006r12691
Jon B, a friend of mine put one of the high priced inverters in his 6 volt car and it works OK but he has a choice of what accessory to use. He can't run his radio with any other accessories although he can run his GPS and cell phone charger at the same time. I don't know what his inverter's values are, but I e-mailed him to find out. If an inverter will handle all my accessories on occasion and a couple most of the time I would be happy. Thanks for the idea Jon, I will do some more checking in that direction. Richie.0 -
Erwin Sanchez-Flores has a nice 6v/12v set up on his pickup that I saw at the national meet. He's in the roster.0
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Park W wrote:I'm with Jon, Richie ... add up the power requirements (watts or volt-amps) of the prospective equipment you want to run, and try to find an inverter that has double that in capacity. There are some pretty powerful ones out there.
Thanks Park, I just assumed that inverters didn't have much capacity and didn't do enough research. I will do that now. Thanks, Richie.0 -
royer wrote:Erwin Sanchez-Flores has a nice 6v/12v set up on his pickup that I saw at the national meet. He's in the roster.
Thanks Royer, I might just call him to see what he has. Richie.0 -
There is a company that makes a 6 / 12 volt battery. Cut and Paste this site
http://www.antiqueautobattery.com/prod011.htm0 -
If you're going to go to all that trouble of fitting a 12V alternator why not switch the whole car over to 12 volts....I did and it was fairly easy. That way all your bulbs are cheap and easy to get, there is less stress on your wiring...etc.0
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Mikei16 wrote:There is a company that makes a 6 / 12 volt battery. Cut and Paste this site
http://www.antiqueautobattery.com/prod011.htm
Thanks Mikei16, very interesting site, I'm going to explore all ideas before I decide which way to go. Richie.0 -
Jimalberta wrote:If you're going to go to all that trouble of fitting a 12V alternator why not switch the whole car over to 12 volts....I did and it was fairly easy. That way all your bulbs are cheap and easy to get, there is less stress on your wiring...etc.
Jim, I thought about converting to 12 volts but everything on the car works perfectly, heater, radio, and especially the overdrive, lights etc. Having to put resistors and voltage drops for the overdrive solenoid and overdrive relay and the rest of the stuff like the gas gage just seemed too involved. I don't want to burn any of the overdrive electrics out. Probably need to get the starter rewound for 12 volts also. Just thought I could add another battery, a couple of cables and be done with it. I guess it is more complicated than that though.
I'm kinda leaning towards the inverter at this point that Jon suggested, if I can find one with enough capacity.
Jim, thanks for your comment, I appreciate it. Richie.0 -
You can install a 12 to 6 Voltage Reducer Regulator to provide 6 volts for the overdrive and gauges. It works grate on my 48 Packard that I changed over to 12 volt for air conditioning. you can get a 20 amp unit on eday for about $50.000
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carcrank wrote:You can install a 12 to 6 Voltage Reducer Regulator to provide 6 volts for the overdrive and gauges. It works grate on my 48 Packard that I changed over to 12 volt for air conditioning. you can get a 20 amp unit on eday for about $50.00
Thanks for that info carcrank, I'm still researching a few things before I decide what I'll do. Richie.0 -
Richie:
On one of my other cars, we have a 12 volt reducer that uses a relay to shorten the amount of wire to the horn. You might want to switch to 12 volts and use a reducer for small stuff and a reducer with relay for the larger loads. Just a suggestion, your car(ride), I'm still having starting troubles when the engine is hot, may have to go 12 volts. Bob0 -
bobdriveshudson wrote:Richie:
On one of my other cars, we have a 12 volt reducer that uses a relay to shorten the amount of wire to the horn. You might want to switch to 12 volts and use a reducer for small stuff and a reducer with relay for the larger loads. Just a suggestion, your car(ride), I'm still having starting troubles when the engine is hot, may have to go 12 volts. Bob
Hey Bob, I'm still not sure about anything yet. I like having the 6 volt system and everything working just like the factory intended. I'm kinda proud that something that old still works great the way it was designed. The AM radio works fine, just not many options on it, I guess I could live with it and use mapquest instead of the GPS. I'm not that smart with electronics and just thought if there was a simple uncomplicated way to run an extra 6 volt battery for a few 12 volt accessories it would be cool. I could also remove the extra battery anytime and return it to stock. I'll probably do nothing and enjoy it the way it is. Thanks Bob, Richie.0 -
One of these days I'd like to do the inverter thing as well.
I like my 6 volt system, and intend to keep it. However, a cell phone charger is something I'd need on a long trip too.
This topic stays on the back of my mind, so I'm paying attention to the recommendations here.
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`Hudsonator wrote:One of these days I'd like to do the inverter thing as well.
I like my 6 volt system, and intend to keep it. However, a cell phone charger is something I'd need on a long trip too.
This topic stays on the back of my mind, so I'm paying attention to the recommendations here.
Mark
Mark, a friend of mine installed an inverter and is limited as to what he can use at the same time. I guess you can buy 4 inverters, one each for the FM radio, GPS, cell phone and CB radio. I don't need all these things around home, I'm talking about long trips. Richie.0 -
`Hudsonator wrote:One of these days I'd like to do the inverter thing as well.
I like my 6 volt system, and intend to keep it. However, a cell phone charger is something I'd need on a long trip too.
This topic stays on the back of my mind, so I'm paying attention to the recommendations here.
Mark
If the car runs fine, with all the accessories in their original state, and a cell phone charger is one of your main concerns, you can get a small cell phone charger that runs on household batteries (AA or D, don't remember which) that will charge your cell phone wherever you are.
Here is one:
http://www.cellphoneshop.net/emcephch.html
And here is a wind-up cell phone charger:
http://thetravelinsider.info/roadwarriorcontent/sidewinder.htm0 -
I took a spell of going to a drive in that let vehicles older than '72 to get in at half price.
We had a radio in the back seat that ran off D batteries to listen to the movie. My '49 never had a radio in it.
Mp3 players can plug into a "boom box" radio these days and has taken away the need for huge CD changers. I figured I would just use one of those and have a way to charge a cell phone - and I'd be good to go.
I'm so 6 volt oriented with my car, I couldn't hardly go to 12 without it costing me a pretty good chunk - not to mention losing a bit of its history. I have a Sun 6v-6cylinder tach, the solenoid in my VS57 is 6 volt, etc. I has become somewhat enjoyable for me to collect up 6 volt stuff and use it somehow. Its usually a bit cheaper too, as nobody wants that stuff. There is nothing wrong with a 6 volt system, as long as the cables and wires are big enough to carry the amperage with little resistance. And, keep your grounds clean!
If I had my guess about it, its not entirely impossible to have a 6 volt cell phone charger made. Most 'boom boxes' run off an internal 6 volts anyway. 6 volt systems are still out there, but we don't see them in the automotive world. If I were a bit more electricly inclined, there is probably a simple solution to all these situations. The polarity may be the biggest problem to overcome. I dunno, I'm gonna be quiet and hope some of the more electricly savvy respond.
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junkcarfann wrote:If the car runs fine, with all the accessories in their original state, and a cell phone charger is one of your main concerns, you can get a small cell phone charger that runs on household batteries (AA or D, don't remember which) that will charge your cell phone wherever you are.
Here is one:
http://www.cellphoneshop.net/emcephch.html
And here is a wind-up cell phone charger:
http://thetravelinsider.info/roadwarriorcontent/sidewinder.htm
Thanks for your comment junkcarfann, I appreciate that info. Richie.0 -
Richie-
Just food for thought, here. I know you are still undecided on which way to go, but thought I would fill you in with the changes I've made and let you keep pondering your route.
In Doc, our '52 Sedan (one in the avatar), even though she had 116,000 original miles when I bought her, the original wiring was frayed, missing insulation in places, etc. On a sidenote, my in-laws house burned to the ground after their Lincoln spontaneously combusted. Since I'm not real fond of fires, or of "chasing shorts", I took out ALL the original wiring and went with a modern fuse box and all new wiring. While I was at it, a 12V conversion ensued, mostly because I wanted AC. Yes, that means a few reducers, all new bulbs, adding the alternator, adding a rewound starter, new coil and VR. I run a modern day AC/Heat system, a modern stereo system that is hidden inside the tissue dispenser (not yet installed). Additionally, just before the nationals, I put a socket charger in the dash and two in the B-Posts for backseat occupants (the boys use them for video games and DVD players).
Pros and Cons: Some of the pros include beautiful night-time driving with the halogens, phone charger and GPS convenience, always a good strong charge and starting capabilities, hotter spark, brighter taillights and courtesy lights, CD capabilities or even such things as Sirius could easily be added, and the 45* cooling that comes out of the vents with the AC on, is most beneficial here in the deep South. Most importantly, I've got tremendous peace of mind.
I'm one of the ones that's a somewhat stickler for originality. That said, most everything I've done is hidden (like the stereo in the tissue dispenser), the under-dash unit looks as though it "could've" been factory, the bracket I used for the compressor is an old-school unit, the GPS can reside in the open glovebox or can easily be removed from the windshield while parking, and I put some lights in the original radio, so it will still "light up" at night.
Some of the Cons include: Price. New wiring, new fuse block, new bulbs, alternator, starter, not counting your time, is going to cost something, but it's not exorbitant by any means. Another con, for me anyway, is that I am no electrical genius. As a matter of fact, electricity scares me, to tell the truth. BUT, I can follow a schematic. Along with Park's help, Ken Cates' website, and some time, it's done, and done right--everything works. Lastly, yes, you are giving up some originality with the 6V system, i.e., no generator, different battery, 12V headlamps. There IS something to be said for a good, solid 6V system that works like it was designed to work. For me, I just couldn't "modernize" with an out-dated and worn-out system.0 -
Richie-
Also, when it comes to electrical stuff, anything that Park says, go with that. Haven't found anyone that can match his electrical knowledge when it comes to auto electrical problems, changes, etc.0 -
I'm interested in a modern fuse box. Where did you mount it? I'm thinking of putting it in the engine compartment on the driver's side above the wheel. My car was converted to 12v when I bought it and the only thing on the reducer was the radio, which I had converted to 12v and now only the heater motor is 6v, but I have never used it, too cold to drive the car in the Canadian winters, plus the salt on the roads.0
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Fusebox was mounted on the firewall, inside the cabin directly above where your left leg would be. Pretty easy access and didn't clutter up the engine bay that way. Also, I could still access the large grommet hole in the firewall for wiring.0
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RL Chilton wrote:Richie-
Just food for thought, here. I know you are still undecided on which way to go, but thought I would fill you in with the changes I've made and let you keep pondering your route.
In Doc, our '52 Sedan (one in the avatar), even though she had 116,000 original miles when I bought her, the original wiring was frayed, missing insulation in places, etc. On a sidenote, my in-laws house burned to the ground after their Lincoln spontaneously combusted. Since I'm not real fond of fires, or of "chasing shorts", I took out ALL the original wiring and went with a modern fuse box and all new wiring. While I was at it, a 12V conversion ensued, mostly because I wanted AC. Yes, that means a few reducers, all new bulbs, adding the alternator, adding a rewound starter, new coil and VR. I run a modern day AC/Heat system, a modern stereo system that is hidden inside the tissue dispenser (not yet installed). Additionally, just before the nationals, I put a socket charger in the dash and two in the B-Posts for backseat occupants (the boys use them for video games and DVD players).
Pros and Cons: Some of the pros include beautiful night-time driving with the halogens, phone charger and GPS convenience, always a good strong charge and starting capabilities, hotter spark, brighter taillights and courtesy lights, CD capabilities or even such things as Sirius could easily be added, and the 45* cooling that comes out of the vents with the AC on, is most beneficial here in the deep South. Most importantly, I've got tremendous peace of mind.
I'm one of the ones that's a somewhat stickler for originality. That said, most everything I've done is hidden (like the stereo in the tissue dispenser), the under-dash unit looks as though it "could've" been factory, the bracket I used for the compressor is an old-school unit, the GPS can reside in the open glovebox or can easily be removed from the windshield while parking, and I put some lights in the original radio, so it will still "light up" at night.
Some of the Cons include: Price. New wiring, new fuse block, new bulbs, alternator, starter, not counting your time, is going to cost something, but it's not exorbitant by any means. Another con, for me anyway, is that I am no electrical genius. As a matter of fact, electricity scares me, to tell the truth. BUT, I can follow a schematic. Along with Park's help, Ken Cates' website, and some time, it's done, and done right--everything works. Lastly, yes, you are giving up some originality with the 6V system, i.e., no generator, different battery, 12V headlamps. There IS something to be said for a good, solid 6V system that works like it was designed to work. For me, I just couldn't "modernize" with an out-dated and worn-out system.
Russell, thank you for taking the time to explain all that. You make a lot of good points and it is food for thought. By your description I would guess you will have a beautifully done Hudson when completed. I also agree with you about Park's electrical knowledge. I have used Ken Cates' web site on numerous occassions. Also the wealth of knowledge of all the guys here on the forum is second to none. It is great when a problem is posted and there are answers and comments posted to help others almost immediately.
I am still pondering what to do, but all the gathered info. will help me decide. Thanks again Russell. Richie.0 -
I agree with Russell's post above too, he's explained it quite well. One other small difference is that a generator (6 or 12V) doesn't charge at idle. So depending on where you live, how much traffic you have to deal with, etc. that could be another issue to consider. There are lots of times that I'm on a roadtrip somewhere, and end up getting stuck in gridlock for various reasons, and I'm always glad I've got an alternator that's still charging away even at idle.0
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Two places I looked into when converting my MG from a generator.
http://www.gener-nator.com/index.htm
http://www.racemettleltd.co.uk/dyn.html
Both on the high (Price is no object) side0
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