what is with kgap?
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I don"t know but i have been waiting since feb for convertible top header seals. When i do talk to someone im told another week, so good luck.0
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They moved to a new location in July 2009. If you take a look in the September/October 2009 WTN it has their new phone number and address listed under Member Products and Services (page 38).
Their new phone number 951-727-0607.
I have found through trial and error that ordering on their website does not work, calling and leaving a message does not work, faxing does not work. I have always kept calling until I get Kayleen, and then call her back a week later to remind her of my order. Try calling at 2:00 am PST!
Oh Crap! Sorry, I had the prefix wrong! I just edited this post to the correct prefix0 -
they were expected at Laughlin last weekend but did not show.0
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the website shows 951-727-0607. i will try the number you listed and see what happens.0
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Yes Press & Janet were great, they would send parts to me in Australia even before they were paid for, very trustworthy people, just included an invoice.0
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The following is posted to my website... Dany provided this information:
Dany & Kaylene Spring, - K-GAP
Phone # 951-727-0607
Fax # 951-727-0600
Mailing Address: PO Box 33360 Riverside, CA. 92519
UPS, Fedex etc address: 2713 Woodbriar Dr. Riverside, CA. 92519
kgaphet@aol.com
http://www.k-gap.com/
Rubber gaskets, suspension parts, runningboard mats, lenses, decals, door sill plates, and much more.0 -
I’ve been on this forum for more than 4 years, and I have not counted, but I’m sure there has been at least a dozen “What’s up with K-Gap?†type of questions over the last 18 months or so.
But, since there is no one else supplying, what other game is there in town?
[FONT="]There’s certainly a lot of discord not just here on the board, but with other club members that I’ve talked to that aren’t forum-users.
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Ken U-Tx wrote:I miss the good times when Press & Janet WERE K-Gap. Kenneth
And Bill Albright, and Jack Clifford Too !0 -
well i know the number 951-727-0607 has been disconnected according to my many attempts to call it0
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I bought a bunch of stuff from them this summer and this fall , this was during the Het nationals and then during their move. some of the stuff was a little slow getting here, if you have problems or are wondering how things will go, you should call K Gap and ask them before you order- I certainly am happy with my dealings with them .0
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i have tried to call them .. their number has been disconnected.0
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unique1963 wrote:i have tried to call them .. their number has been disconnected.
Yep- disconnected , guess I lucked out - maybe they will chime in on here and let us know whats going on . any one know who else sells Hudson stuff??0 -
Check the WTN, Member Products and Service. Don't know of any one selling the same items as K-Gap. They wiil be back on their feet soon.
VicTor Z0 -
I have purchased several items from Dany, and while some stuff took a lille while. I received everything I ordered .0
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I placed an order on 10/19/09 for about $225.00 worth of seal and gaskets for my 34 Coupe. Prior to placing the order, I contacted Dany and Kaylene by e-mail to ask a few questions and they answered all my questions and sent me a catalog. I called to check on the availability of everything and was told a few of the seals were out of stock and he was placing an order and they would be in shortly. Dany seemed pretty helpful and sincere, so I'm hoping all this negative talk is unfounded. Sometimes it takes a little longer to get things done in a small business. I'll give them a little while longer and hopefully everything will work out.
Walt0 -
I have been waiting for parts that have been paid for since February. It is not the wait that bothers me as I understand things get backordered and suppliers tell retailers "next week" and retailers tell us the same.
My issue is the lack of return of correspondence. My last three e-mails have gone unanswered. Two of which were orders for more parts.
I also have concerns regarding the number of moves and especially the number of phone changes/ disconnects in the past year.
Dany and Kaylene seem like terrific people and when they are able provide a valuable service to the HET club as well as non-members. But, perhaps this business would do better in other hands, sad to say.
Is it possible to resurrect Full Line or are we all doomed to Metro Rubber's
high prices and limited Hudson items !!!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
IMHO, if non-responsiveness is one of the problems needing to be corrected, you don't want to resurrect Full Line.0
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I too, have ordered or purchased quite a bit of stuff from KGap over the years, and often found myself wondering what happened to the order, and/or the money I sent to pay for it, due to sometimes very long wait periods from time of order to actually receiving the items.
Some items ordered took well over a YEAR to appear at my doorstep, but in a fairness, I believe the problem was more with KGap's suppliers, than it was with Danny and Kaylene themselves, especially with the oddball items, like door sill plates, wire wheel hubcaps, and even the stepdown medallions, (which apparently Danny had to start painting himself, due to the "other" Guy that used to paint them taking forever to do them).
Yep, at times I got really worried when things ordered didn't show, and didn't show, and didn't show, and I'd call, and sometimes I'd get no answer, and still they didn't show, and since I always payed via paypal, the money couldn't be the issue I reasoned, and finally I'd get lucky and get a call through, and I'd find out that yes, the order is active, and not forgotten, but that the items are out of stock at the moment, and the (supplier) is really slow for those parts, but they ARE coming, and lo and behold, long after I'd even forgot that I ordered some of the items -- there they came with the mail lady, along with the invoice stating zero balance owing !!
I can certainly understand why some get a bit anxious when ordering Hudson parts from KGap though, because it could literally stop an expensive resto right in its tracks, and become especially worrisome if the car is sitting in a high end commercial resto facility, (we all know they don't "sit" in those places taking up floor space for nothing) !! I've been there and done that already, so am trying to learn from experience and avoid that dilemma if at all posible next time around.
My suggestion would be to maybe call KGap ahead of time before you order, ask if the items you want are in stock, and if they are, then pay for them ( and shipping charges if any), right up front via papal, mastercard, or whatever, and once paid for claim them as yours, and ask for quick shipment to you. Sort of like buying the stuff over the counter at any store. This isn't gonna help with the stuff coming to KGap from outside suppliers, but maybe will take some of the strain off the more common item orders ??
I'm gonna try this myself anyway -- because as some have said, they're the only game in town that I know of, and we need them desperately !!
The long and the short of it is this, from my point of view, -- other than slow delivery on some items and frustration at actually catching Danny & Kaylene on the phone sometimes, I am very positive on ordering stuff from KGap, and will not worry that my order, and my payment will "disappear" somewhere in the ether next time around ( and there will be many "next time arounds" )!! From past experience though, I'll just try to be a little more carefull about timelines before I order.
silverone0 -
I'm told Full Line never really existed as advertised in their catalog. Metro molded does have high prices.... I'm not saying now but maybe in the future the HET club should consider bringing some of the reproduction in-house in the club store. The future does need to be thought-through if we're going to restore all surviving Hudsons and maintain the ones already restored/on the road.0
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I went up to Dany & Kaylene's new place in Riverside about a month ago and purchased about $400 worth of stuff from K-Gap with no problems what-so-ever. It is true that they are out of some stuff and they are waiting on their suppliers, who are for the most part, small operations who have been affected by the current recession. I am waiting on some back ordered parts, but I have complete confidence that as soon as they receive them, they will contact me.
It is true that the phone # is disconnected, I am sure that it is temporary. They just moved, a huge job, to a new place and it is ideally set up for K-Gap. They definitely need to do a better job of communication with club members and customers.
Many of you may not know that Press Kale and now Dany Spring, fabricate much of the stuff that you get from K-Gap. You are not going to find it anywhere else. My suggestion would be to stop all of this negative chatter and try to be supportive of folks who are doing their best to provide parts for our cars that just are not available otherwise. Yes, Metro Moulded Rubber has some of the stuff, but certainly not all of it. I think that the Springs will get back up and running soon and hopefully so will their suppliers, in this current economy it is a crap shoot, but I am willing to give them some space while it gets sorted out!0 -
Richard E. wrote:I went up to Dany & Kaylene's new place in Riverside about a month ago and purchased about $400 worth of stuff from K-Gap with no problems what-so-ever. It is true that they are out of some stuff and they are waiting on their suppliers, who are for the most part, small operations who have been affected by the current recession. I am waiting on some back ordered parts, but I have complete confidence that as soon as they receive them, they will contact me.
It is true that the phone # is disconnected, I am sure that it is temporary. They just moved, a huge job, to a new place and it is ideally set up for K-Gap. They definitely need to do a better job of communication with club members and customers.
Many of you may not know that Press Kale and now Dany Spring, fabricate much of the stuff that you get from K-Gap. You are not going to find it anywhere else. My suggestion would be to stop all of this negative chatter and try to be supportive of folks who are doing their best to provide parts for our cars that just are not available otherwise. Yes, Metro Moulded Rubber has some of the stuff, but certainly not all of it. I think that the Springs will get back up and running soon and hopefully so will their suppliers, in this current economy it is a crap shoot, but I am willing to give them some space while it gets sorted out!
Space is one thing but not addressing and fixing a big problem is another. I've bought stuff from K-Gap before and both are great people. Business is business and when you have a major investment sitting in a shop or disassembled in your garage, and there are delivery and communication issues, then that is a problem. I plan on placing an order for over a thousand bucks in the next few days but I plan to call Danny or Kaylene to verify what is in stock and what is not. I am not prepared to wait three, six months or longer for something that is paid for and or that I may have been able to get elsewhere. In this economy, you HAVE to be more competitive and offer service.0 -
I've kept my big mouth closed about this but it's cooked way to long i want 57 parking light lenses i had bought a few over the years from kgap when pres and janet ran the show it was wonderful i'd call they would ship now i've been asking for almost 2 years for these and have had way to many 'tales' told to me i don't want to go out and have a mold made. The way i see it is with orphan cars the market is so small you don't want to make some thing another supplier is making but i need these ahhhh what to do?? What to do???0
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You guys are going to screw around and complain your way into not being able to find ANYTHING for a Hudson.
When Dany and Kayleen get tired of dealing with grumpity crap like this, wonder where the next supplier will come from?
Yeah, I miss the good ol' days. I miss the good ol' folks too. This ain't that time or era and getting small batches of anything done is nearly impossible. If you can't move a gozillion pieces of something, most manufacturers show you the door. Be thankful these 2 are braving that problem to supply the pieces we need, because in the big picture Hudson parts are for squat and I doubt much money is being made at all. Its like Randy Maas once told me, "This is a labor of love, if I didn't love Hudsons - I wouldn't be doing it".
Particularly right now, when things are super tight and all sorts of smaller operators are having alot of problems with supply and money.
I wouldn't get so smug about the righteousness of the HET, Larry Milwee told me years ago that Jack died with over 10K in upaid balances from Hudson members who'd bought parts and never paid. Jack kept the parts up because he loved the cars, had nothing to do with making money, his living never centered around his Hudson business. I don't think this business is what puts the bread on the table for Dany either.
These 2 Hudsonites are good people and I'm sure there is an explanation out there for the delays. Who knows what may have happened, but I'm sure they'll make it right - just be patient and thankful somebody is out there with these new parts on offer.
Hopefully, better days will be out there for all of us - whatever we're doing.
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It doesn't cost any money to return phone calls or be specific with deliveries. People are going to complain if they don't get the basic courtesy. I don't have a beef with K-Gap but obviously, there have been issues that need to be addressed. They will fix it or they won't. If not, then someone will eventually pick up the niche.0
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`Hudsonator wrote:You guys are going to screw around and complain your way into not being able to find ANYTHING for a Hudson.
When Dany and Kayleen get tired of dealing with grumpity crap like this, wonder where the next supplier will come from?
Mark
Fastest way to stop (most of) the griping is for the Dany and/or Kayleen to get on the forum and tell everybody what's going down. In cases like this silence is NOT golden.
Simple.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
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Press & Janet ran K-Gap as a retirement project, although they put a lot of time into it. It's hard to imagine supporting a family with Hudson reproduction parts as your sole source of income. I know first hand how hard it is to do Hudson stuff well while holding a demanding full-time job, which Dany does. I also know how hard it is to avoid biting off more than you can chew, and I daresay I'm not alone, judging by the number of "projects" I see languishing for years. I hope Dany and Kaylene, who are friends of mine, can get it together...we need them.0
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My 2 cents. I don't know Danny or Kaylene, but this is what I'd expect from everyone. If I order something and pay with a charge card, the business should charge my card for what they have when they ship it. No one should be charging me for something they don't have. I would call the credit card company and dispute any overages and have it reversed.0
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Sounds like the gripe is less about Kgap and more about communication. The same gripe I have with a lot of companies I send resume's to.0
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If it's any consolation I order some items about a month ago and the arrived in relatively short order... they even threw in a cool Hudson T-shirt... just in time for the Pigeon Forge meet!
Hope all is well with them...
Craig0 -
Hello,
I am relatively new to Hudsons, having purchased my first Hudson and joined the HET Club within the past year. I have also picked up a number of back issues of White Triangle News. While looking through some of those old issues I came across a letter from Press Kale in the Nov./Dec. 1983 issue (he was responding to a 'thank you' letter from an earlier issue). Mr. Kale wrote:
"This presents the opportunity to offer some thoughts on Hudson reproductions of which the general membership is probably not aware.
"The overriding factor in reproduction parts is QUANTITY. We must surmise what, if any, quantity of an original part still remains, what quantity of models for a parts application still exist, and what percentage of owners require the part. In the case of a Hudson club of less than 3000 members (a low quantity) a very low production run is required which raises machining, die, mold and other costs considerably as applied to a very low maximum quantity of units which can ever be sold. When per-unit costs are high and the market is small, such projects are impractical because they are not profitable.
"Locating someone to manufacture various parts is also a problem. Short-run in the plastics industry is a minimum of 100,000 units. Mold costs for an exact duplicate stepdown vent window rubber are $7,950. With figures like that we have had to let numerous projects slide. Be aware that most Hudson parts will never be available once existing new and restorable used supplies are exhausted.
"K-GAP offers to fellow HET enthusiasts a small, quality list of needed parts. We offer them at as small a markup as will permit us to continue in business and invest in further reproduction parts."
I would imagine that those issues that were present in 1983 are still present today, maybe more so. I recently placed a large order with K-GAP, and received the majority of the items within two weeks of mailing my order. Some other items are listed as backordered, and I am confident that I will receive them when K-GAP receives them. I just feel fortunate to have a business like K-GAP available to provide me with the parts I need to get my Hudson back on the road.
Take care,
Steve Bryson0
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