Help Needed - 1946 Hudson Two-Tone Images

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edited November -1 in HUDSON
Hi Gang,



I am in search of images showing factory two-tone combinations for the 1946 & 1947 Hudsons. A noted model builder / detailer has been commissioned to produce 1:43 scale replicas of the Cab Pick-Up's and wanted to finish some in the factory two-tone schemes.



Unfortunately most of the photos found online are of cars not finished in true factory two-tone combinations.



According to the old Ditzler's paint charts, these are the factory two-tone schemes. If anyone can post images or image links showing these color combinations on a 46/47 Hudson, I would appreciate it.



Bar Harbor Blue Metallic over Jamestown Blue Metallic

Quaker Gray Metallic over Gunmetal Metallic

Majestic Maroon Metallic over Nepal Ivory

Peasant Green Metallic over Saxon Green Metallic

Copper Red Metallic over Harvest Tan



Thanks,



Mike

Comments

  • 53jetman
    53jetman Senior Contributor
    Mike - Factory two tone was not available on the pickups. Two tone packages were different on the sedan/brougham and the coupes. Just thought you should know.



    Jerry

    53jetman
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Here's another request for the Hudson experts.



    I assume the above listed color combinations refer to the coupes and sedans as the "over" would suggest the first color is on the roof and the second color is below the trim line.



    So what about all these '46-47 Hudsons with painted fenders? Did Hudson ever paint their cars and trucks this way?
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Thanks Jerry. So what I suspected is true; Hudson never finished a production 1946 or 1947 Cab Pick-Up with different color fenders.



    I guess the models will all be monotone colors.
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    AvantiPower wrote:
    Thanks Jerry. So what I suspected is true; Hudson never finished a production 1946 or 1947 Cab Pick-Up with different color fenders.

    Let's not say that they "didn't", but rather that it was not a standard option. Sure enough, if we rule it out, an example will surface that contradicts our claim. If a potential cutomer wanted a Hud PU in '46 or '47, but was only interested in a two-tone option, a call to the plant would most likely result in a choice to please said customer. Unlikely though, due to the fact that PU's in those days were typically not recreational vehicles, but work or utility vehicles and special features were few and far between.
  • 53jetman
    53jetman Senior Contributor
    Usually, as Russell stated, the trucks were available in limited color choices. In '46, I think grey, black and dark blue were the choices, and these did not come poilshed out, but just as the color left the spray gun. There were only three of four colors available in '47 - I think they may have added a maroon to the mix. My Dad never sold a new Hudson pickup when they were new, but did handle a couple of used units during the early '50s. His truck line was GMC. Back then, it was pretty much left to the dealers and their customer as to how the truck would be painted - what color schemes, etc. We did finally put a Hudson Pickup into service as the parts and service truck for the dealership in about 1951 - bright red (nonstock) with black fenders. Also installed a 262 engine with OD for power. Also built a set of partial (front 1/4 side boards) out of natural oak as a form of deceration with the name of the business on them. It looked quite smart at the time.



    Jerry

    53jetman
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    RL Chilton wrote:
    Let's not say that they "didn't", but rather that it was not a standard option.



    Yes, this is why I stated "production 1946-1947 Cab Pick-Up". Special orders from the factory were always possible but without definitive documentation or an unusual build plate, a two-tone truck owner is going to find it nearly impossible to prove it's authenticity.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    53jetman wrote:
    Usually, as Russell stated, the trucks were available in limited color choices. In '46, I think grey, black and dark blue were the choices...



    So you're saying that the Cab Pick-Up's were not available in all the 1946 colors? Is there documentation that would conclusively state what colors were available for the 1946 trucks?



    I want to make sure I get this right before I send a 1946 color chart to the model manufacturer and say "pick a color - any color". I would hate to have them finish some models in "Copper Russett Metallic" only to later find out that Hudson never offered it for the trucks.



    Mike



    1946-hudson-pg01.jpg
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Mike: The HET Club maintains a club library which houses the technical information the club has collected on the production of Hudson vehicles. Contact with the librarian should be made to determine if there is definative Hudson information which will answer your question. The contact information is:

    John O'Hallororan, PO Box 465, 8268 Twombly Road, DeKalb, IL. 60115-0465

    The Club registry keeper for the 1946 Hudson Pickup is:

    Larry Cramer, PO Box 1035, Northville, New York 12134. Larry is a regular here and I suspect he will chime in with phone number or email for contact.

    Good Luck with your project
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Thanks. Looking forward to hearing from Larry or one of the experts.



    I came across the following website with a photo caption that read:



    "A nice black [1946] pickup, one of the three colors offered by Hudson. The other two were gray and white."



    http://www.classictruckshop.com/clubs/hudson/hudsonnut/TruckPage/hudsontruckpage.htm
  • LanceB
    LanceB Senior Contributor
    When I started rebuilding my PU the color that was on it was one of the three greens on the color chart, Peasant, Pageant or Saxon green. Could not tell the exact one but I believe that it was original paint, it was in every nook and craney. The green seems to have had a little, very little, metalic to it, but that could have been my eyes.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Does anyone know Larry Cramer's forum ID? I would like to try and get a definitive answer from the HET Club by the end of the week.



    I've learned more about the "new" truck models. Bruce Arnold Models, Inc. will be refinishing some vintage 1:43 scale white-metal '46 Cab Pick-Up's that are fairly crude by today's standards. BAM's new improved Pick-Up's will have the same details as the recently issued Commodore model pictured below.



    MM43Hudson-MMHudsonComparison.jpg
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Larry Cramer's forum ID is Uncle Josh.



    Kevin C.
  • stbryson
    stbryson Senior Contributor
    Hello AvantiPower,



    While this isn't exactly what you are looking for, it might give some idea as to where to look. In the "1947 Hudson Price, Equipment and Option Folder (For confidential use of Distributors, Dealers and their salesmen)", the three colors for the Cab Pickup (Model 178) are listed as:



    Ebony Black (K)

    (Cream Wheels)



    Gun Metal (G)

    (Red Wheels)



    Belvidere Blue (B)

    (Cream Wheels)



    Wheel color other than standard (i.e., Red wheels with Ebony Black or Belvidere Blue body, or Cream wheels with Gun Metal body) is listed as a no-charge option.



    So, if you (or someone) can find the 1946 Hudson Price, Equipment and Option Folder, the three standard colors for the 1946 Cab Pickup (Model 58)would be listed.



    Take care,
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Thanks. Hopefully Larry will have this information.
  • Uncle Josh
    Uncle Josh Senior Contributor
    Hang on boys, I dont't know, but 'The half of knowledge is where to find it.' I'm checkin a couple of sources, both of whom should have the info.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Uncle Josh wrote:
    Hang on boys, I dont't know, but 'The half of knowledge is where to find it.' I'm checkin a couple of sources, both of whom should have the info.



    Thanks Larry.



    - Mike
  • hudsontech
    hudsontech Senior Contributor
    stbryson wrote:
    Hello AvantiPower,



    While this isn't exactly what you are looking for, it might give some idea as to where to look. In the "1947 Hudson Price, Equipment and Option Folder (For confidential use of Distributors, Dealers and their salesmen)", the three colors for the Cab Pickup (Model 178) are listed as:



    Ebony Black (K)

    (Cream Wheels)



    Gun Metal (G)

    (Red Wheels)



    Belvidere Blue (B)

    (Cream Wheels)



    Wheel color other than standard (i.e., Red wheels with Ebony Black or Belvidere Blue body, or Cream wheels with Gun Metal body) is listed as a no-charge option.



    So, if you (or someone) can find the 1946 Hudson Price, Equipment and Option Folder, the three standard colors for the 1946 Cab Pickup (Model 58)would be listed.



    Take care,



    Now that's info I like to see - have copied it and will add it to the 1947 Hudson page in my General Information Handbook!!!!



    Thanks.



    Hudsonly,

    Alex Burr

    Memphis, TN
  • Uncle Josh
    Uncle Josh Senior Contributor
    stbryson wrote:
    Hello AvantiPower,



    While this isn't exactly what you are looking for, it might give some idea as to where to look. In the "1947 Hudson Price, Equipment and Option Folder (For confidential use of Distributors, Dealers and their salesmen)", the three colors for the Cab Pickup (Model 178) are listed as:



    Ebony Black (K)

    (Cream Wheels)



    Gun Metal (G)

    (Red Wheels)



    Belvidere Blue (B)

    (Cream Wheels)



    Wheel color other than standard (i.e., Red wheels with Ebony Black or Belvidere Blue body, or Cream wheels with Gun Metal body) is listed as a no-charge option.



    So, if you (or someone) can find the 1946 Hudson Price, Equipment and Option Folder, the three standard colors for the 1946 Cab Pickup (Model 58)would be listed.



    Take care,



    OK, Allen, our Hudson/Mohawk Chapter historian which has all the paperwork to back it up, says that the 46 and 47 choices were the same. Non buffed as one of you indicated, and no other options available from the factory.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Great. Thanks Larry. I'm sure some of the model collectors who have placed pre-orders will be bummed that two-tone combinations and some of the prettier metallic colors will not be available but if its not factory-correct, its just not correct.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Hold on a second guys. "stbryson" lists a color called "Belvidere Blue" from his 1946 Hudson Price, Equipment and Option Folder. Larry Cramer (a.k.a. "Uncle Josh") substantiates this information, however I don't see "Belvidere Blue" (which I assume is misspelled) listed anywhere on the 1946 Hudson paint chart below. Am I missing something?



    1946HudsonBlue.jpg
  • stbryson
    stbryson Senior Contributor
    Hello AvantiPower,



    My information is from a "1947 Hudson Price, Equipment and Option Folder (For confidential use of Distributors, Dealers and their salesmen)", and lists the 1947 Cab Pickup (Model 178) colors.



    I don't have the 1946 document. I just listed the information from 1947 to give an idea of where to look.



    I believe the 1946 Cab Pickup (Model 58) is Bar Harbor Blue, but I can't confirm it.



    Take care,



    Steve Bryson
  • Uncle Josh
    Uncle Josh Senior Contributor
    Yup, Allen confirms the Blue is 'Bar Harbor' although these paint chips are so faded you can't tell what it is.



    Probably we could get the right color from 'Hibernia Restorations' as they can supply original colors for us.



    BTW, after you buy the model, it's yours. So you can do the dealer or owner thing, get a rattle can or a sample from Hibernia and paint it whatever color suits your fancy, ...or your girlfriend, or wife, or you.



    The 47 work truck I'm driving happens to be weathered patina black, streaked with pine pollen, mud etc. Looks kinda like the 'Grimy Black' the model RR people sell. I think I'll wash it next summer.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    stbryson wrote:
    Hello AvantiPower,



    My information is from a "1947 Hudson Price, Equipment and Option Folder (For confidential use of Distributors, Dealers and their salesmen)", and lists the 1947 Cab Pickup (Model 178) colors.



    I don't have the 1946 document. I just listed the information from 1947 to give an idea of where to look.



    I believe the 1946 Cab Pickup (Model 58) is Bar Harbor Blue, but I can't confirm it.



    Take care,



    Steve Bryson



    Good. So we're all on the same page. "Belvidere Blue" in your post was a typo, which should have read "Bar Harbor Blue".



    Thanks,



    Mike
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Uncle Josh wrote:
    BTW, after you buy the model, it's yours. So you can do the dealer or owner thing, get a rattle can or a sample from Hibernia and paint it whatever color suits your fancy, ...or your girlfriend, or wife, or you.



    These new Hudson models will be too rich for my blood but I'm sure someone could respray it after they take delivery. It would be a pretty foolish endevor though. They would be destroying the custom decals, chrome foil and who knows what else. Not to mention devaluing an original BAM creation, which have been known to increase in value 15-20% a year.



    Take a look at what his Cadillac models sell for on eBay:



    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160375494237



    Mike
  • stbryson
    stbryson Senior Contributor
    AvantiPower wrote:
    Good. So we're all on the same page. "Belvidere Blue" in your post was a typo, which should have read "Bar Harbor Blue".



    Thanks,



    Mike



    Hello AvantiPower,



    No, the "Belvidere Blue" in my post was not a typo. If you re-read my initial post, I gave the information for the 1947 Hudson Cab Pickup (Model 178), and the document in which I found it. You misread it as coming from a 1946 document.



    I suggested that the same document for 1946 would give the color information for the 1946 Hudson Cab Pickup (Model 58).



    Take care,



    Steve Bryson
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Ahh I see. So "Belvidere Blue Poly", (which is actually a metallic color), replaced "Bar Harbor Poly" in 1947.



    I guess 53jetman's recollection that Hudson added a maroon to the Cab Pick-Up's available colors in 1947 never happened. Shame. That would've been my choice.
  • hudsontech
    hudsontech Senior Contributor
    Uncle Josh wrote:
    OK, Allen, our Hudson/Mohawk Chapter historian which has all the paperwork to back it up, says that the 46 and 47 choices were the same. Non buffed as one of you indicated, and no other options available from the factory.



    Will change my Handbook to reflect 1946-1947 same. Thank you Uncle J.



    Hudsonly,

    Alex Burr

    Memphis, TN



    Or maybe not.
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