NASCAR question

Lee ODell
Lee ODell Senior Contributor
edited November -1 in HUDSON
Did Lee Petty ever race in a Hudson?

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  • Lee O'Dell wrote:
    Did Lee Petty ever race in a Hudson?



    Yup. 1954:



    http://www.nascargoracing.com/history_of_nascar_cup_standings.htm
  • hdsn49
    hdsn49 Senior Contributor
    That information is wrong. Lee Petty never raced a Hudson. He won the 1954 Championship in a Chrysler. Hudson won the championship in 1951-52 and 53.
  • hdsn49 wrote:
    That information is wrong. Lee Petty never raced a Hudson. He won the 1954 Championship in a Chrysler. Hudson won the championship in 1951-52 and 53.





    You're right:



    http://www.hickoksports.com/history/winstoncup.shtml
  • I always thought Hudson won in 52, 53 and 54? It was 51, 52 and 53?
  • dougson
    dougson Senior Contributor
    Hudson started winning in '51; '52 and '53 were the best years, won 17 Grand National events in '54 (fewest). Stepdowns continued to be competitive into '55, but not nearly as successful. Lee Petty nearly always drove 331 hemi's. Here's a cool, original promotional Chrysler with victory decals.
  • Lee O'Dell wrote:
    Did Lee Petty ever race in a Hudson?
    Most of Lee's wins came in the Plymouths, six cylinders, till Hudson came out with the 308 six, then he went with Plymouth V-8's. Walt.
  • dougson
    dougson Senior Contributor
    Plymouth didn't have a V8 until '55. Lee petty drove Hemi Chryslers and also Hemi Dodges through '54. He won the Grand National in '54 with a Chrysler Hemi.
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    1954 NASCAR Grand National points race



    Driver / Points / Starts / Wins / Top 5 /Top 10 / Winnings / Car



    Lee Petty / 8649 / 34 / 7 / 24 / 32 / $21,101.35 / Chrysler

    Herb Thomas / 8366 / 34 / 12 / 19 / 27 / $29,974.05 / Hudson

    Buck Baker / 6893 / 34 / 4 / 23 / 28 / $19,367.87 / Olds

    Dick Rathman / 6760 / 32 / 3 / 23 / 26 / $15,938.84 / Hudson



    Lee Petty beat out Herb Thomas for the championship by being consistantly in the top 5 an top 10 more often, even though Herb Thomas won 5 more races than Lee Petty. However, Herb Thomas won out in the $$$$ race.



    I have wondered why Lee Petty never raced Hudsons.



    Lee
  • bobbydamit
    bobbydamit Expert Adviser
    Lee, they are all wrong as can be. The correct answer to your question is YES He raced many hudsons, and lost to all of them. I have old movies of him loosing to Marshal and Tim, but he never [drove] a Hudson is more to their point. I know Picky Picky, but I raced many cars with my HUDSON and all of them raced a Hudson, mine and lost most of the time. I had a real problem with Hemi in 52 on the drag strip, but on the track, no problem because part of Hudson magic back then was not only the engine, but the low center of gravity and center point steering. hard to beat those tanks on a figure 8 or even an oval, especially in the dirt. Have a nice Queens english day. Bobby::p
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    Pardon my grammar or spelling. Did Lee Petty ever race in a Hudson? Perhaps should read: Did Lee Petty ever drive a Hudson in a race? I think both mean pretty much the same thing. "in a Hudson" I suppose could be interpreted riding in the car as a passenger. I don't believe passengers were permitted except for a monkey in some early races.



    I believe Petty did beat some Hudsons a few times. In 1950 once, 1952 once, 1953 three, 54 seven and a championship.



    Some interesting information I came across. From 1949 through 1954, of the cars that competed in NASCAR the wins were:

    Buick 0

    Chevy 0

    Chrysler 9

    Dodge 7

    Ford 1

    Hudson 78 In 1954 fifth in points was a 1951 Hudson

    Jaguar 1

    Lincoln 4

    Mata 0 What is a Mata?

    Mercury 4

    Nash 1

    Olds 58

    Plymoth 10

    Pontiac 0

    Studabaker 3



    As dominate as Hudsons were, they were not unbeatable. By 1955, with only one win, they were no longer competitive in NASCAR.



    I still wonder why Lee Petty never raced in a Hudson. Oh, drove a Hudson in a race. Rather than speculate I should contact the Pettys directly for the answer. I can only wonder how many more races may have been won by Hudsons with Lee Petty on their side. Oh, inside.



    Merry Christmas and God bless.



    Lee
  • hudsontech
    hudsontech Senior Contributor
    Lee O'Dell wrote:



    Some interesting information I came across. From 1949 through 1954, of the cars that competed in NASCAR the wins were:

    Buick 0

    Chevy 0

    Chrysler 9

    Dodge 7

    Ford 1

    Hudson 78 In 1954 fifth in points was a 1951 Hudson

    Jaguar 1

    Lincoln 4

    Mata 0 What is a Mata?

    Mercury 4

    Nash 1

    Olds 58

    Plymoth 10

    Pontiac 0

    Studabaker 3







    Merry Christmas and God bless.



    Lee



    Lee,



    What's a Mata?? I don't know - what's a-mata with you!!!! LOL LMAO LLAM - sorry, I couldn't resist this one. hehehehehe :D



    Hudsonly,

    Alex Burr

    Memphis, TN
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    You got me good Alex



    Thats the way it was spelled..



    Could it is AMC's Matador?



    Lee



    Gota go everyone is here to go to Knox Berry Farm for the day.
  • hudsontech
    hudsontech Senior Contributor
    Not a Matador, Lee. They didn't hit the showroom floors until 1971
  • bobbydamit
    bobbydamit Expert Adviser
    Funny, I knew it would prickle a response. Fun to hear all the stats. Now clinton is still the master of IS, and a mata is short for what is wrong with Fords, They don't matta!!!! HEEEEE Heee, I just couldn't refuse either. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good ride, in the low riden, snow riden stepdowns.
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    hudsontech wrote:
    Not a Matador, Lee. They didn't hit the showroom floors until 1971



    I don't know what I was thinking. With only 3 hrs. of sleep Matador poped into my head when I posted Matador. I just was not thinking clearly.



    Does anybody have a clue to what kind of car a Mata might be?



    Lee
  • SuperDave
    SuperDave Senior Contributor
    Maybe a Matra ?
  • Not to change the subject (what's a Mata?), but did any stepdown Hudsons race in Nascar prior to the Hornet?

    Also, did all Hornets run with a manual transmission, or did they also run with automatics?

    Merry Christmas
  • SuperDave
    SuperDave Senior Contributor
    jasper wrote:
    Not to change the subject (what's a Mata?), but did any stepdown Hudsons race in Nascar prior to the Hornet?

    Also, did all Hornets run with a manual transmission, or did they also run with automatics?

    Merry Christmas



    I recall being at a stock car race somewhere near or in Birmingham Alabama prior to the introduction of the 51 Hornet. The race was a dirt track obviously designed to be a horse track. probably a fairgrounds. There was at least one Hudson a '48 or '49. Many otherbrands. Back in those days many local dealers would enter cars.usually off the showroom. Any transmission could be and was used. The hard core racers that came out of those early years stuck to manual transmissions.Hard to imagine..Lincoln, Ford, Buick, Packard, Studebaker are some I am sure of. Now this was when they were REALLY stock. Tape over the headlights..That race was shortened because no one could see the track including the DRIVERS due to the dust. Huge holes appeared in the turns and cars were actually rolling over if they happened to get sideways in the HOLE. I don't know if it was a Nascar sponsored event or just thrown together by a local promoter.

    That was my first race to attend at the age of about 10 or 11.

    Later in Rougemont NC speedway, also dirt, I saw Lee Petty driving a "Red Ram Dodge". Richard was about 12 then. The present Rougemont track is in a different location. Don't remember the year but there were two '53 red and white Oldsmobiles sponsored by "Hellzapoppin" a broadway play. One rolled over and my buddy and I got the chrome "88" off the left rear quarter of the wreck. We borrowed a screw driver from Richard out of his daddys tool box . In those days the infield was the same as the pits. Someone with a more lucid memory might be able to pinpoint the year.:)
  • dougson
    dougson Senior Contributor
    Sounds like great fun, do you still have the "88" piece? Where I grew up, there were no tracks anywhere nearby. The only race I tried to get to (in New Hamphire), my buddy and I ran out of gas and money. A cop gave us 50 cents to buy two gallons of gas so we could get home.
  • SuperDave
    SuperDave Senior Contributor
    dougson wrote:
    Sounds like great fun, do you still have the "88" piece? Where I grew up, there were no tracks anywhere nearby. The only race I tried to get to (in New Hamphire), my buddy and I ran out of gas and money. A cop gave us 50 cents to buy two gallons of gas so we could get home.



    Nope don't have it. Billy Richardson got it..and I think it was two pieces two "8"s.

    I was lucky to spend my teen years in Raleigh NC and went to many Nascar Races. I would go to Raleigh Speedway on weekends and sell programs, Pepsi's what ever it took to get in free! Got to see all the soon to be greats race. Fireball Roberts, Glenn Wood, Bobby and Billy Meyers, and many others.They would come in from Virginia and Western NC. Bowman Gray Stadium was another hot track that attracted the serious racers. Most all drove Early Ford "buggy spring" cars. Later in the fifties they allowed the OHV V8's. Sure changed the speeds! One of my favorites were Fuzzy and Eb Clifton of Germantown NC. They drove GM cars with GMC inline sixes. Kicked some butt too! sounded really neat..:) I don't recall any Hudsons in the local races. But many in the Nascar sanctioned races in Fayettville, Rougemont and others. Herb Thomas was my idol back then.. Of course he had the most "inovative" mechanic..Smokey.
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    jasper wrote:
    Not to change the subject (what's a Mata?), but did any stepdown Hudsons race in Nascar prior to the Hornet?

    Also, did all Hornets run with a manual transmission, or did they also run with automatics?

    Merry Christmas



    jasper, I don't mind a subject change. The answer to your question is yes. Hudson did race in NASCAR prior to the Hornet. On 6/19/49 a Hudson, driven by Bob Flock, was the pole winner at 67.958 MPH for the first NASCAR, all stock car race, at Charlotte, NC. The 150 mile race was won by Jim Roper in a Lincoln on a 3/4 mile dirt track. Don't know how the Hudson finished or if any other Hudsons were in the race.



    Whats a mata with me for wanting to know what a Mata is? I went back to the article the information came from. The Mata is listed with 0 wins from 1949 thru 1972. The Mata had wins in 1973 - 1, 1974 - 1, 1975-3. It has to be Matador. Not reading all the info resulted in alot of wasted time trying to find out what kind of car a Mata is. This puts this mata to rest.



    Super Dave's question, "What is a Matra?" This brings up another mata. Does anyone have an answer to put this mata to rest?



    Happy new year to everone. Lee
  • SuperDave
    SuperDave Senior Contributor
    [Super Dave's question, "What is a Matra?" This brings up another mata. Does anyone have an answer to put this mata to rest?



    Happy new year to everone. Lee[/QUOTE]



    A French car..Had some success in F-1 in later years.:cool:
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    Super Dave



    Thanks for the information.



    I'm not up on the names of F-1 cars.



    Thought, maybe my leg was being jerked again. Ha Ha



    Happy New Year. Lee
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