How to learn?

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edited November -1 in HUDSON
I am a few months into Hudson ownership and find myself wanting to learn more about the mechanics of the car, but I am having trouble finding a place to start. My current skill level lets me change spark plugs, radiator hoses, put air in the tires and not much more. I want to change that.



Can anyone recommend some books and or resources to help me understand classic engines and mechanics, in particular my 308?
I am looking locally for some type of hands on education, with no luck so far.



Things I plan to buy:

Walt's Garage Hudson Tech Tips by Walt Mordenti (where can I get this?)

Alex Burr's General Information Handbook

I already have the shop manual, body manual, and transmission manual for my 52 Hornet and while I enjoy looking at them most of it is over my head along with a lot of the conversation on this forum.

Comments

  • dougson
    dougson Senior Contributor
    You will probably not find much help in modern "auto repair classes" as the nature of autos has changed drastically from the early mid-fifties. Most engine books deal with souping up small block V8s', or how to get 5 more horsepower out of your LS6 (yawn), not the essentials of building an antique and obsolete flat head six. A lot will have to be trial and error, with a lot of bloody knuckles and skull divits :eek: along the way. Find a reliable, older auto supplier, if there is one near you; patronize it and they can be very helpful in locating parts and providing installation information. Start with easy projects, be willing to get very dirty, and hope your wife doesn't mind having parts laying all over the place. Better yet, buy an old 308 and strip it down, cataloging each piece and seeing how it all fits together. Your neighbors will think you've had a close encounter of the third kind but so what. Oh, and buy a large supply of hand cleaner and oil absorbent.
  • MikeWA
    MikeWA Senior Contributor
    A good way to learn about automotive systems on older cars is a Motor Repair Manual- They used to come out every year, covered about 7 or 8 years in each, included all vehicles. Also had sections about each system (most systems are generic, depending on make- Delco electrical systems in most GM cars, Autolite in many independents, etc.). Check Ebay or Craig's List, or an old used book store- they should be available.
  • Michael:



    I have not seen the shop manual for your vehicle, but if it's anything like the one I have for my '41 then that's a good place to start. If you are mechanically inclined at all you will find yourself learning as you go. I would do a complete inspection of all the "systems" and make a punch list of things that need attention. Pick out projects that you think you can handle and start from there. I'd focus on the mechanicals first... oil changes, lube, coolant, basic tune up and cleaning. Remember the old saying "If it ain't broke don't fix it!" There will be plenty of opportunities to do that later as your abilities improve.



    While having some mechanical experience with other vehicles is helpful I wouldn't sign up for a shop class expecting to get a lot of Hudson specific training. That said, if there's something available in your area like an adult class at the local votech you may benefit from exposure to general shop equipment, tool usage, welding and safety. We have votechs in my area that offer body work, welding etc. that are geared to adults and non-credit courses that are great for familiarization. There are similarities between makes, models and years of vehicles... especially on older vehicles. If you learn about brake systems and how to do a brake job on brand X you should be able to handle a Hudson!



    The real benefit of taking a course, joining a club, attending car events is networking with folks. You'll meet guys (and gals) with varying levels of knowledge and experience that (with few exceptions) will be happy to share their advice and ideas with you. You may also find folks that are willing to trade their talents (and parts) in exchange for something that you can do. It doesn't have to be cars... "I'll fix your computer if you rebuild my carb."



    One last comment... Don't be afraid to ask for help!



    Craig
  • kamzack
    kamzack Senior Contributor
    I'd second and third finding a good core 262 or 308. put it on an engine stand and over time do a rebuild. There certainly is plenty of good and gracious coaches here.

    Kim
  • STAY RIGHT HERE !!! If you don't learn from these guys ain't ah gonna !! And if you haven't , join HET.
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    Michael-

    I second all the above advice, with a little more added.

    Have you seen the movie "Tucker"? There's a great scene in there for motor-head-wanna-be's, if you'll pardon the expression. Preston Tucker has moved out west as a young man and after a fledgling bicycle business, a man drives up with a Stanley Steamer and asked Tucker if he can fix it.

    "Sure, sure, I can fix it!", happy to have some work, customers, anything.

    Next shot is the one I'm talking about. Tucker is sitting on a bucket, chin in hand, elbow on knee like the Thinking Man. The engine is in a zillion pieces strewn all over the shop floor. Case in point is, nothing can replace practical application, particularly when we're talking about mechanical apparatus'. The above-mentioned buying a secondary engine and tearing it apart has great merit.

    Secondly, scout around for older mechanics, even better someone in your area who is Hudson-knowledgeable and has had experience in working on and re-building engines. Trade favors, go and pester, hang around the guy(s) as much as time will allow and inundate with questions, etc. This is a quicker path to mechanical enlightenment than even discovering the ins and outs on your own.

    Thirdly, your Hudson manuals are great places to start, but oftentimes the Chilton Manuals of the time will have vast sections that are marque-specific. Sometimes whole sections delve into International Harvester specifics, or Hudson Flatheads, etc. They usually are more intense than the Hudson manuals.

    For Walt's Tech Tips: Contact Walt Mordenti @: WaltMordenti@aol.com
    Tell him you are looking for Vol. I & II.

    Hudsontech here on the forum (Alex Burr) can be contacted at:
    hudsontech09@yahoo.com
  • faustmb
    faustmb Senior Contributor
    Michael,



    In addition to the advice above, I would also recommend going through maintenance on systems before they fail. A good example is setting the point gap. It is much better to work your way through the procedure when you have the time and in a dry garage. You'll learn how it works and be ready to do it if you ever need to. As you have learned already, this forum is a great resource. If you can't find the answer you need by searching old posts, someone will typically answer new posts quickly.



    Good luck
  • 37 CTS
    37 CTS Senior Contributor
    Hello Michael,

    The Chicago Milwaukee Chapter of HET is hosting a TECH SESSION on Hudsons with seveal EXPERT Hudson members. There will be instruction ands questions and answere. This will be in January.



    WILL a Chicago Milwaukee member please post the information of date , time and location in the forum please.



    Hudsonly
  • Browniepetersen
    Browniepetersen Senior Contributor
    Michael,

    All good advice above. Also, consider this: After I got out of the military, no education, no real future--but a good job I started to take some classes at the local technical college to help with both work/hobby skills. I started with engine classes and redid a few Fords and Chevrolets. We did most everything in class including machine set up and some minor machine work. Next in the program was a class in carbs. Worked my way up to everything including 4B-quads. Two years later I went out to the junk yard and talked the owner out of a couple of engines to tear apart. Next I signed up for a Body-Fender program. One of those where you could take in your own car and paint it. I did several cars over the next few years. Learned how to weld, shrink/expand metal, paddle lead, woodgrain, ect., and a bunch of other things including various types of paint. The last paint job I did in school was a multi color flame job on a truck. With this knowledge in hand I bought my first car to rebuild. Over the last 45 years there have been close to 100 cars that I have done. Some were major work, some were minor but I never walked away from a project. When I was lost I asked questions. I also spent a lot of times with old car folks watching, learning, helping and discussing how to build cars. This was all done in a way not to interfere with my real day job. The degree I got from the Tech School was a 4 year degree in Automotive Engineering Design. Later, I went on to real college and was able to complete my studies because of lessons learned in the tech programs. I am now old and having a ball. There is a lot to learn, and those who visit these forums are a great resource, but we do not always agree mainly because we have gained what we know from different places. You end up using what works for you and then pass it along in hopes it might help someone else? Good luck, it is a great journey....
  • hudnut1tmr
    hudnut1tmr Expert Adviser
    Chi-Mil chapter web-site. Nothing about a January meet yet but perhaps Aaron will chime in.



    http://www.members.tripod.com/~hudnut19/hudnut19.html



    Congratulations on your wise purchase. Take your time, don't "force" anything and always use the "right" tool. Above all, Good Luck!!



    Tim
  • hudnut1tmr
    hudnut1tmr Expert Adviser
    P.S. Have fun!!!!!!!
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