Safe RPM for 212 at 70MPH

Lee ODell
Lee ODell Senior Contributor
edited November -1 in HUDSON
What is a safe engine speed for a 212 engine, traveling at 70 MPH FOR 8 -10 hours a day for 3 - 4 days in a row?



That is about how long I figure it will take to get to the nationals in Spokane.



Knowing the safe RPM will enable me to choose a rear end with an appropriate gear ratio.



It is not running yet, and I am a little a worried about the reliability of a 212 47 Hudson PU on such a trip.



Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks, Lee

Comments

  • Uncle Josh
    Uncle Josh Senior Contributor
    Jon Battle's 37 Terraplane hangs together. He's running 6:50-16 tires, and an overdrive and probably a 4;56 rear. I suspect he's around 2000 rpm at 60 mph, as my 49 with 7:10-15s and OD with a 4:56 rear end is running 2200 at 60.
  • Park_W
    Park_W Senior Contributor
    I'd try to stay under 3,000 rpm, preferably 2500. That calls for about 3.50 for 3,000, and around 3.00 for 2500.
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    Uncle Josh wrote:
    Jon Battle's 37 Terraplane hangs together. He's running 6:50-16 tires, and an overdrive and probably a 4;56 rear. I suspect he's around 2000 rpm at 60 mph, as my 49 with 7:10-15s and OD with a 4:56 rear end is running 2200 at 60.



    Uncle Josh, is 2000 to 2200 RPM the best cruising RPM for a 212 engine?



    For driving at 70 MPH, I would need to get an overdrive trans and change from 4.56 to 3.7 rear gear ratio. Depending on 28 or 29 inch tall tires, the RPM would be about 2100 to 2175 RPM.



    From my home it is about 1900 miles to Spokane. I really don't want to drive that far at 60 MPH.



    Thanks for your help. Lee
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    Thanks Park W



    So you think if I keep the RPM around 2500 I should be ok.



    It would be nice to have an overdrive. An extra gear between gears would help in the mountains if I go with 3.0 gears.



    How much does an overdrive transmission cost. I've seen on the forum mentioned different overdrive transmissions. What would be the correct one for the 47 PU?



    Thanks everone for your imput. Lee
  • esfoder
    esfoder Expert Adviser
    Hey Lee what route are you planning to take? Might be kind of cool if the California guys could meet up with us more local fellas(Oregon) and arrive in force?



    Dusty



    P.S. Just a thought
  • Ol racer
    Ol racer Senior Contributor
    FYI

    The 212 has a 5" stroke providing good torque to pull a taller gear. Mitchell Mfg used to make an Overdrive for most cars but dropped down to just building Model A & B's OD rather than compete with the much larger Company's like US Gear & Gear Vender. Perhaps the Mitchell OD Unit woud adapt to Hudson ?? Mitchell's contact number I have is 800 859 2089.



    If not adaptable, I would install a Ford Rear End around 3.00 - 3.50 from an automatic. Ford has many widths, uses similar drive shaft yokes and has same 4.5 wheel bolt circle. Probably the cheapest route to go cosidering they can be bought used from $75 - $150 complete.
  • Geoff
    Geoff Senior Contributor
    MY Jet has a 4.1 rear end, and o/d, on 640.15 tyres, which gives 2000 r.p.m. @ 60 m.p.h. It will go happily at 70 m.p..h., and the 212 is only 1/4" longer stroke, so it should handle that no problem. The problem with taller gears is pulling power in the hills, and that is hwere the o/d comes into it's own, in that you can kick down to direct drive. One of our guys here used a Toyota 5 speed box, and a 3.7 rear end, on a '37 T coupe, and he finds this drives extremely well. However there is quite a bit of engineering involved. My recommendation would to try and find a genuine '47 overdrive box. I believe any of the '48-'52 transmissions will bolt right on to your bell housing, and there must be some of those still around with o/d. Incidentally, you can't just buy an o/d and stick it on to your standard transmission. the housings and shafts are specially for o'd. Good luck,

    Geoff.
  • hudsontech
    hudsontech Senior Contributor
    Here's a route suggestion - if possiblem travel on the old U S highways, the countries original interstates like U S 20, U S 30, etc. Out there in the western part of the country most of those old roads still exist and are in great condition. You can travel 60 to 70 on them and not have to worry about getting run over by an 18 wheeler who could care less who's in his way. And, lets face it, you're driving a car that was built for those roads.



    Only time you really have to slow down is going thru a town - and if you plan right you can use an interstate to get around the larger towns and cities.



    I've used the old routes many times in recent years - example going over to the San Antonio area I took U S 79 out of West Memphis all the way down. Speed limit in Arkansas was 65, in Texas 70. No traffic, not much of interest (but there isn't anything much of interest on an interstate either). Travel time - about 13, 14 hours. Travel time on the interstate around 11 hours - so 2, 3 hours is a price to pay for less hassle???



    The only real drawback to traveling on the old roads is if you break down somewhere. For example, going out to Miles City, MT, back iin 2001 I took U S 12. Between Baker and Miles City, about 75 or so miles, there ain't nothing out there except open space. So you may have to wait a little bit for somebody to come along and help - and most likely they will.

    Still beats sitting beside an interstate wondering which one of those idiots going 90 is going to run into you.



    Something to think about.
  • Uncle Josh
    Uncle Josh Senior Contributor
    The Hudson stepdown single lever tranny/od will fit your 47 motor and fit in the truck frame. You'll have to use the 47 bell housing.



    I have that setup in my truck with the 254 eight. You probably have a 4:56 in the truck unless somebody changed it to the 4:11, either of which would work.
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    esfoder; We haven't desided on a route yet. My first thought was Hwy 1, along the coast, but the slow speed on a twisty 2 lane road would take forever. My wife tends to get alittle nausia on curvy roads.



    Considering I- 5 or 395 with some side trips along the way.



    Alex: In Calif, most of the old highways have a speed limit of 55MPH. That seems to be where the Highway Patrol catch alot of speeders.



    The posibility of a break down is a concern.



    Uncle Josh: Thanks for the information on the overdrive.



    I appreciate and thank everyone for your imputs. Lee
  • esfoder
    esfoder Expert Adviser
    I took hwy 97 to redding a few years ago. It was a nice drive but lots I mean lots of dead deer along side the road. I would drive it in the day time to be safe. 395 goes straight through my home town (hermiston)' Nice hilly drive that one..Would be nice to convoy up to Spokane. My girl friend is from there she is a great tour guide.



    Have a good one



    Dusty
  • Ol racer
    Ol racer Senior Contributor
    Geoff C., N.Z. wrote:
    MY Jet has a 4.1 rear end, and o/d, on 640.15 tyres, which gives 2000 r.p.m. @ 60 m.p.h. It will go happily at 70 m.p..h., and the 212 is only 1/4" longer stroke, so it should handle that no problem. The problem with taller gears is pulling power in the hills, and that is hwere the o/d comes into it's own, in that you can kick down to direct drive. One of our guys here used a Toyota 5 speed box, and a 3.7 rear end, on a '37 T coupe, and he finds this drives extremely well. However there is quite a bit of engineering involved. My recommendation would to try and find a genuine '47 overdrive box. I believe any of the '48-'52 transmissions will bolt right on to your bell housing, and there must be some of those still around with o/d. Incidentally, you can't just buy an o/d and stick it on to your standard transmission. the housings and shafts are specially for o'd. Good luck,

    Geoff.



    FYI

    I sent you a PM on a Stepdown OD.
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    Ol racer, received your PM and sent reply. Thanks, Lee
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