Can the electrical brains explain wiring relays for me?
Ok,
I too have added a 6 volt Scotts fan to my radiator. I want to wire it to a switch and through a seperate 6 volt horn relay. Will this work? And is the relay powered directly, as in power to relay first or wired power to switch then to relay then to fan. A diagram would be great!
Confused....
Thanks,
Jeff
I too have added a 6 volt Scotts fan to my radiator. I want to wire it to a switch and through a seperate 6 volt horn relay. Will this work? And is the relay powered directly, as in power to relay first or wired power to switch then to relay then to fan. A diagram would be great!
Confused....

Thanks,
Jeff
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Jeff, I just wired mine through the fuse that they provide to a switch on the dash, then I just switch it on when I need it. However, you will find that this item uses 10 amps, your generator only produces 30 amps, what else are you asking it to operate. I found that I was asking for more power than I produced. When I solve this puzzle, I will let you know! LOL0
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Hey Richard,
Thats why I was wanting to do the relay. I am not taxing my Gen much but dont really want to if I can help it either. Let me know what you come up with!
Thanks,
Jeff0 -
I'm not any wiring expert, but I think it should look something like this.0
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Here's a wiring diagram or schematic. Battery, fan and relay are 6volts. Acc power is battery power through the ignition switch so fan power is forced off when ignition accessory power is removed. Batt + is directly connected to battery + using correct wire size for fan current times 2. Fuse value is typically slow blow 2 times operating current of fan. Relay is typical horn or starter style relay with attention to contact rating versus fan current. Ideal would be 2 times fan current draw or better. Relay to Acc power is typically 16 gauge.
Fan ground should be as short as possible and terminate to same contiguous metal mass as battery negative. If main frame, terminate fan to main frame. If to engine, terminate fan to engine. Clean contact area and boilt/nut for maximum current transfer.
Typical 3 lead horn relay uses relay case as ground and needs to be mounted such that the case is at electrical ground, like firewall or frame.
Starter relay is 4/5 terminal type configured as shown in diagram.
Hope this helps. Ask if yoiu need help,
Jack0 -
This picture below should make it clear how to wire a standard relay, almost all of which (even Radio Shack) will have this standard pin numbering markings. Some relays have a 5th pin, labelled 87a.. This pin is rarely used since it provides constant power to the intended device when the trigger power (pin 86) is NOT applied.
In case I can't get the picture to load, here are the standard pin configurations:
87 high power lead connect direct to load (fan, etc) (10ga or larger)
30 high power battery source.. connect direct to batt. or starter solenoid post (largest post) (10ga wire or larger)
86 "trigger" power from ignition switch or fan temperature switch
85 connect to ground
Relays are used generally for two reasons... to provide a larger amperage capacity supply wire to a high-amperage device such as a fan, and to reduce the load on the switch for that device, since the relay "trigger" circuit requires only a very low amperage current to operate.
On most of my older cars, I've wired the output from my ignition switch directly through a main relay, using at least 10 ga or larger wire from the battery and to the fuse block, to help preserve the frail contacts in the switch, which were never designed to handle the power of aftermarket accessories such as fog lights, A/C, cooling fans, etc.
For the fan, you could either have the relay trigger voltage come from the ignition switch, a separate dash mounted switch, or just direct from a temperature sensing probe.
If you do the latter, then the fan may run for awhile after shutting down the engine as the radiator heats up from residual engine block heat. I'm not certain this approach serves any real purpose, and is just saps power from our already-weak 6V batteries, and I doubt that cooling the water just in the radiator itself has any useful benefit to the engine.0 -
Thanks all!
Think I understand it now.
I like the idea of going from ingition switch to an overall relay to preserve the switch! Would a 6v headlight relay work for that? I would imagine it would have to be a beefier relay to handle it.
Again thank you.
Jeff0 -
Yes, provided that the current the fan requires times 2 is still within the headlight relay's ratings. Make sure this is true otherwise you'll weld the contacts eventually and the fan will never shut off.
Jack
PS, That Radio Shach Relay has a 25amp contact rating I believe which might be under rated for your application. The contact carrying current is an essential parameter that you must respect if you want the relay to survive.
If this fan is the same as the last member's question it could draw upwards of 35-40amps at 6v. JUst be sure you check the fan's requirements and use a 2 times relay contact rating to be within safe operating ranges.
jjbubaboy wrote:Thanks all!
Think I understand it now.
I like the idea of going from ingition switch to an overall relay to preserve the switch! Would a 6v headlight relay work for that? I would imagine it would have to be a beefier relay to handle it.
Again thank you.
Jeff0 -
I suspect a 6v headlight relay would work just fine for the types of loads you'll be putting on your system. The nice thing is, worse case, if the contacts on the relay eventually burn out, it's an inexpensive and quick replacement, vs trying to scout down and install an ignition switch.0
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Not only will a headlight relay work, but it's what you'd want instead of a horn relay. The latter is not designed for "continuous duty," and may fail prematurely when held energized for long periods.
Note that the little cube relays with the numbered terminals, shown in some of the above diagrams, aren't readily available in 6v version. But they draw very little current and are rated at 30 amps load, so they really work well if you can find one. K-Gap was looking into carrying a 6v one, but I don't think anything's come of that yet. There's an electric fan guy on the east coast somewhere who has them, but at $20 it's a bit of a ripoff. They probably cost him less than $5.0 -
Hey Park,
Thats exactly what I ended up doing. SO far in the tests it seems to be working great.
Also, I guess $20 is a bit steep but for a 30 amp relay in 6v thats small and wont burn out might be worth it.
Jeff0
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