left hand wheel studs

[Deleted User]
[Deleted User]
edited November -1 in HUDSON
Who is making left hand thread wheel studs, the NAPA locally says they aren't available any longer but I find that hard to believe. Does anyone know of a source?



Harry

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  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Harry Hill wrote:
    Who is making left hand thread wheel studs, the NAPA locally says they aren't available any longer but I find that hard to believe. Does anyone know of a source?



    Harry
    Yes they are available , I get them from A C Brake , Louisville , Ky --- They are owned by Republic Diesel . Have you got a sample or know EXACTLY what you need ? I think the maker is Belkamp . BUD
  • mars55
    mars55 Senior Contributor
    Do you know what size you need?
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    mars55 wrote:
    Do you know what size you need?
    ----You will find that bolt size --shoulder length--shoulder size--thread length--- are ALL needed BUD
  • Geoff
    Geoff Senior Contributor
    Pardon my curiosity, what on earth do you want l.h. thread studs for?
  • bob ward
    bob ward Senior Contributor
    Geoff C., N.Z. wrote:
    Pardon my curiosity, what on earth do you want l.h. thread studs for?



    Geoff, I read somewhere once that you should always use LH bolts on the LH side of your Hudson. I do find that they are very hard to get started in the drum, and then you need an ENORMOUS rattle gun to drive them in.



    One problem I come across is that the guys at the tyre place tend not to know about LH bolts and wreck the threads trying to get them out.
  • SuperDave
    SuperDave Senior Contributor
    bob ward wrote:
    Geoff, I read somewhere once that you should always use LH bolts on the LH side of your Hudson. I do find that they are very hard to get started in the drum, and then you need an ENORMOUS rattle gun to drive them in.



    One problem I come across is that the guys at the tyre place tend not to know about LH bolts and wreck the threads trying to get them out.



    Yep, a BIG impact wrench! I love that "down under humor".

    Seriously though, I know chrysler products used them but as Geoff said.. Where are these used on a HET product? My experience is mostly step downs so my experience is very limited.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Dave I don't think they were. I've never seen any"L" lug bolts on any Hudson. On Mopars there are "L" and "R" bolts depending on what side of the car you're working on but I think that was a Mopar exclusive.
  • onerare39
    onerare39 Expert Adviser, Member
    Rutabegas had L and R nuts.
  • MikeWA
    MikeWA Senior Contributor
    I had a car when I was young that had LH lugs on left side- pretty sure it was my '57 Pontiac- and I never owned a Chrysler product in those days.
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    onerare39 wrote:
    Rutabegas had L and R nuts.

    rutebagas? I thought that was a kind of a vegetable!

    In all fairness, Harry never said the LH lugs were for a Hudson . . .
  • Uncle Josh
    Uncle Josh Senior Contributor
    Just to muddy the water, I had a 49 Super Six in the late 50s that had LH lug bolts on the left side. I've never seen them on another HET product since, and that includes probably 25 covering 30s 40s and 50s that I've either torn apart or have, or have worked on.



    That being said, I got in a hurry to test run my 47 Hudson PU and the LH rear bolts were'nt tight. They all walked out within 2 miles and the wheel fell off, not doing the fender any good in the process. Didn't drop too far as the shock hanger only rides 3 or 4 inches off the pavement



    The good news was, that the hub cap saved all of them. The bad news was, I was a good mile from home with no jack, wrenches etc.



    I have a couple of 62 Jeep trucks that have them, but they are studs and nuts.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Uncle Josh wrote:
    Just to muddy the water, I had a 49 Super Six in the late 50s that had LH lug bolts on the left side. I've never seen them on another HET product since, and that includes probably 25 covering 30s 40s and 50s that I've either torn apart or have, or have worked on.



    That being said, I got in a hurry to test run my 47 Hudson PU and the LH rear bolts were'nt tight. They all walked out within 2 miles and the wheel fell off, not doing the fender any good in the process. Didn't drop too far as the shock hanger only rides 3 or 4 inches off the pavement



    The good news was, that the hub cap saved all of them. The bad news was, I was a good mile from home with no jack, wrenches etc.



    I have a couple of 62 Jeep trucks that have them, but they are studs and nuts.
    So much for engineering theory , that was the idea in LH threads on the left side , to keep them from going AWOL .
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    Probably 99.99% of cars on the road today have right hand threads. It would be unusal to find a young mechanic today that would know of LH threads. And because there are so few cars on the road with LH threads, even a seasoned mechanic might make a mistake, but he would remember as soon as he tried to remove the wheel, whereas someone not knowing about LH thread may be determinded to get it off the wrong way.



    I believe Chrysler engineers had a theory that because the left side wheels turned counter clockwise, it might be good to have LH threaded bolts and studs to hold the left side wheels on. My 40 ply had LH bolts on the left side. Chrysler later went to LH studs and even later again they changed to RH studs like every other car maker. Also, there are a few foreign cars that had LH bolts and threaded studs.



    There is no black magic to LH threads. They just hold the wheel onto the car. They are no better and no worse than RH threads.



    To prevent a similar problems from happening in the future during tire changes, I WOULD SUGGEST TAKING THE OLD WHEEL STUD AS A SAMPLE AND ASK FOR THE SAME SIZE STUDS WITH RIGHT HAND THREADS. Don't forget to ask for RH threaded nuts to go with the RH studs. I have replace many LH studs with RH studs for two reasons. First, it was getting harder to get LH threaded studs and second, to eliminate the problem you experienced when someone down the road will be changing the wheels.



    Just my humble suggestion. Lee
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Yep guys, these are studs for a 65 Dodge Dart, I'll have to ask my friend what size. He says they can't be bought any longer, I told him if anyone knew where to find them it would be Hudson guys, hence the question.



    Harry
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    Not real sure, Harry, but I think the answer is not going to be found in an auto supply store, but rather a specialty bolt company, or junkyard (that still has older tenants).

    Specialty bolt companies would be my first check. They always seem to have the unusual when I ask, and surprisingly (to me), they're are never very surprised by my unusual requests.
  • mars55
    mars55 Senior Contributor
    Does this Dart have 9", 10" drum brakes or disks? It makes a difference.



    For a left hand lug nuts, try: NAPA 6412023, Raybestos 1951N and Wagner BD61284.
  • Uncle Josh
    Uncle Josh Senior Contributor
    I had to pull the wheel on an Aero Willys the other day. Remember them? Yup, left hand nuts.
  • Kdancy
    Kdancy Senior Contributor
    Some Studebakers had LH studs as well.
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