Hudson Dual Point Distributor

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edited November -1 in HUDSON
I'm curious as to the history of these. Anyone have info to share on these? I assume it was sold as an aftermarket speed part?



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1952-1953-1954-Hudson-IAT-4203A-Dual-Point-Distributor-/200508108099?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories

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  • nhp1127 wrote:
    I'm curious as to the history of these. Anyone have info to share on these? I assume it was sold as an aftermarket speed part?



    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1952-1953-1954-Hudson-IAT-4203A-Dual-Point-Distributor-/200508108099?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories
    That is a Mallory distributor that was sold by speed shops. Mallory is still in business so may be points and such is still available, but I would check first. Walt
  • The eBay item is indeed a ITA4203 Hudson distributor with an aftermarket dual point plate installed. I have two of the aftermarket kits which fit the Hudsons. The point of the dual points is to increase the time the coil charges for a hotter spark. I also have a Hudson Mallory Dual Point distributor. The points, condensors and caps are available for these distributors albeit you have to do some sleuthing to find the Mallory parts.
  • oldhudsons
    oldhudsons Senior Contributor
    dual point distributors were standard equip. on the Hudson 8 from '30 thru '33 & also on the Terraplane 8. These were Autolite.
  • hdsn49
    hdsn49 Senior Contributor
    My 49 Brougham has a duel point distributor. A few years ago while driving back from an AMC show in CT the car suddenly died. I pulled over and was trying to figure out what happened. Suddenly HET member Ed Moore from MA and another gentlemen saw me broken down on the road side. They pulled over to help. It turned out that one of the set of points had broken and shorted out the ignition. We removed the bad set of points and I was able to drive home with no problem with one set of points.
  • I have a mallory duel point distributor. I calle a guy that weass recomended buy a mallory rep. He can refurbish them but there are certain parts that are no longer available and even He cant get any. His suggetion was to switch to electronic ingnition in the Mallory case ( He does this using pertronix ingnition systems ) I am just holding on to mine as a conversation piece right now. If I ever decide to go to the HI-PO look I might have it converted and get one of the new Heads also. With a Clifford 4bbl intake and headers. I 'm not sure but I think Mark Hudson was talking to Joe Lunati of Lunati cams about a new Hudson cam, but I don't know how far they went past discussion if at all.
    The hardest part to find is the flat cap and seal for where the wires go thru the distributor cap.
    Bob
  • Spencer Yarrow
    Spencer Yarrow Expert Adviser
    oldhudsons wrote:
    dual point distributors were standard equip. on the Hudson 8 from '30 thru '33 & also on the Terraplane 8. These were Autolite.



    So true but one set of points fired 4 cylinders and the other set fired the other 4 cylinders.



    Cheers Spencer.
  • junkcarfann
    junkcarfann Expert Adviser
    Hudson308 wrote:
    Dual-point distributors were also standard equipment for early Hemi automotive V8's. The "stepped" point action allowed a bit more dwell/coil saturation, which could give you a hotter spark at higher RPM's. The two point sets are connected in parallel, and are situated so that set number 1 closes slightly ahead of number 2, then number 2 opens slighty behind number 1. This arrangement will still function if one set were to stay open (or be removed) for some reason, although timing and dwell will be off a bit. There is no advantage to this system at lower RPM's.



    There is another reason for aftermarket dual point distributors back in the day.



    It was to allow the most timing advance possible without the engine pinging in higher gears.



    It worked like this:



    The first set of points was in use on the first 3 gears, (using a 4 speed standard shift car as an example). That set of points was adjusted advanced enough to not ping in the first three gears, but to ping in fourth. Remember that the two points could be adjusted to open and close at different advance/retard times.



    When the car was shifted into fourth gear, an electrical switch on the shift likage disconnected the first set of points, and simultaneously connected the second set of points.



    The second set was adjusted so it was in a slightly retarded timing position compared to the first set. Thus the car could have maximum timing advance in the lower gears for the most power, but less in the top gear where it is more likely to ping.



    This is because the taller the gear, the less mechanical advantage the engine has, and the more apt it is to ping.



    From working in a speed shop back in the 60's, most of the sales were to 1/4 mile drag racers and short circle track racers who used it for the purpose mentioned, rather than getting a hotter spark with one advance curve.
  • JYF//// Thanks for posting, your comments jogged my memory and for the first time in 40 years I am thinking about what we used to do with the Mallory distributor installed in our Chevy 6 cylinder powered drag car. As you describe, we were setting each set of points independently. I had ... forgotten about this trick. Our point swap switch was on the floor shifter used to manually shift the clutch packed Hydramatic we were using.
  • I have a 32 Greater 8 that has the dual point set up in it. I know that there are two seperate timing marks on the flywheel. One for #1 and one for #6. What I would like is some advice on is where to set the timing for the type of gas that we are buying now days.



    Blackie
  • No it has only a single coil and capacitor
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