Axle-Flex 34-35 How to Grease?

StillOutThere
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There are eight joints in the Hudson /Baker Axle-Flex that was a no cost option on '34-35 Hudsons and Terraplanes. They have access plugs so that they could be greased but the threads on those plugs are not the same as any grease fitting in my tool box. Did Hudson service departments have a special tool for lubrication of these joints? If so, what do we do today? My Terraplane needs its knees greased.
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ive just put my 34 to bed but if my memory surves me right the plugs are 1/4 unc should be able to get them from your local parts supplier grease nipples that is i will check mine in the morning Rob0
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Can't help on your query, but in your photo, I noticed the leaves are wrapped in what appears to be leather? Is that an original wrapping?0
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RL Chilton wrote:Can't help on your query, but in your photo, I noticed the leaves are wrapped in what appears to be leather? Is that an original wrapping?
Those are the original lace-up leather spring gaitors on front and rear halves of all four springs on the car. Overall, they are in very good, but certainly not perfect, condition.
Adding a photo of the gaitor on the rear of the left front spring which is exceptionally nice.0 -
do they match any other zerk that is currently ON the car? if so, temporarily rob one for the lube operation. regards, tom0
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tigermoth wrote:do they match any other zerk that is currently ON the car? if so, temporarily rob one for the lube operation. regards, tom
No, they don't. As far as I am concerned, this is a unique thread and I have never seen a grease fitting that had this thread.0 -
Do you have access to a McMASTER-CARR Supply Company catalog?
They list all the zerk (grease) fitting made. Standard and special fittings and metric.
There is a section for Special Thread Size Fittings, straight or angle:
1/4-32 thread
3/8-24 thread
5/16-24 thread
5/16-32 thread
Hope this list helps. There are many other fittings listed if you can get a copy.
Phone Customer Service 213 692 5911
FAX 213 695 2323
Location:9630 Norwalk Blvd., Santa Fe Springs, Ca 90670-2932
New York City-Philadelphia 908 329 3200
Atlanta 404 346 7000
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My catalog is 1997 so there may be some area code changes
Good luck. Lee0 -
You can also order from McMaster-Carr on line, excellent service! I placed an online order with them the Friday before labor day and it was on my porch the following Tuesday afternoon! To be fair I only live approx 60 mi from them.0
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Just been down and checked my axle flex grease fittings, they are definitely1/4inch, 20 threads to the inch, Whitworth 55 degree thread form. Should be able to purchase over there from the places recommened by others on this forum Rob0
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Okay, on this McMaster Carr page http://www.mcmaster.com/#grease-fittings/=8vxaso there is item 2408K17 which is a 1/4" x 19 thread per inch BSPT (British Standard Thread) fitting. They are packages of ten (car has 8 joints - one could either move one fitting around 8 times or just leave them in).
Reidy377, could your count per inch of threads have been off by "one" considering the original plugs coming out of the Axle-Flex are only three threads long? This is the only straight, zinc-plated grease fitting I see in McMaster's extensive listing that comes close to the specification requirement.
I'm ready to order a pack of 2408K17s at $8.44 and suggest other Axle-Flex owners consider doing the same (including early Railton owners? and '34 Nash owners) if we are going to keep these things lubricated and potentially avoid having to come up with whatever bearings are inside to do the rebuild.0 -
Just FYI, McMaster-Carr's on-line catalog is every bit as good as the printed one. For example, go here http://www.mcmaster.com/# , then type "zerk fitting" in the upper left corner. Immediately a drop-down menu gives you every way, shape and form of zerk fitting. Click on one of them, and you get the catalog page, with everything you could ever want to know about zerk fittings. Really a user-friendly way of finding things.0
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Don't order 1/4 BSP WAY too big.
I have taken some photos but having trouble uploading them
If you send your email address I can email photos to you.
Definitely1/4 Whitworth 20TPI from my 1st hand knowledge and experience.
You'll need a bloody big hammer to get 1/4 BSP in.0 -
good information thanks!0
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I think at this point, we can agree that IF we could agree on what the three short threads measure up as on these A-F plugs, there is very probably a fitting on the two page list at Mc Master Carr that will fit.0
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theres not one grease fitting in the McMaster Car listing that will fit as McMaster Car are only distribors you would be better to find a manufacturer of grease nipples over there,A/F only means accross the flats of the hexagon nut and has nothing to do with the thread size,as a suggeston try Catterpillar0
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sorry should have been Caterpillar0
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Perhaps we need to return to part of how I posed the original post.
How did Hudson suggest we grease Axle-Flex?
Was there a factory adapter /tool?
Is something described in the shop manual?
There MUST BE a simple solution to this. It can't require a world wide search for the rarest sized grease fitting we have never yet heard of.
Those of you who are reading THIS POST who are owners of Axle-Flex equipped cars, has your A-F never been greased that you don't have a statement of fact that you can provide here as to how you grease your car?
Is it no wonder that Axle-Flex front ends wore out and got terrible reputations? No one greased them then and no one apparently greases them now either!
I'm frustrated and will come up with an innovative solution within 24 hours.0 -
Here are some facts and a solution for greasing Axle-Flex (A/F) equipped cars.
The plugs in the center of the joints are 1/4" x 20 thread count per inch. How do I know? Because I can take a 1/4 x 20 bolt and turn it in with my fingers until it bottoms and there is no wobble; it is a perfect fit at that thread size.
So I took a half inch long quarter inch bolt and first cut it off with a hack saw to the same length as the original copper plugs that are in the A/F. Then I drilled a 1/8" straight through the center of the bolt, end to end. I then took out a new straight small standard grease zerk, the size that has the 12 x 24 thread on it (see photo) and chose a drill size to accommodate my tap. I don't have the formal chart for which drill to use: I guess. I drilled the depth plus of the new grease fitting and tapped it with the 12 x 24 tap. Then threaded the zerk into the bolt head until quite tight. This is my new A/F joint greasing tool.
I install this tool and grease until I see evidence, remove, and reinstall the factory plug. I repeat this process at each joint. The 1/4 x 20 bolt is such a perfect thread fit that there is no grease coming out around its threads even under significant gun pressure to these stiff dry joints.
This wasn't rocket science; just required some good old American ingenuity.
Is your Axle-Flex greased this evening?
Photo shows the home made bolt-and-zerk tool leaning against my striping brush and also another new small standard zerk.0 -
Good Thing I'm an Aussie with a sense of humour. So glad you are not a rocket scientist and I'm happy the light switch finally came on, I didn't know whether to catch a plane and bring some grease nipples, or post one to save you all the stress.
Good to hear you are out of trouble and can keep another Hudson on the road.
Thanks Reidy for giving me the correct size of nipples 20 TPI X 1/4 inch
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www.reidsplace.com.au0
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