I goofed!

54SuperWasp
54SuperWasp Expert Adviser
edited November -1 in HUDSON
Well! I could not pass this one. Last week, I was in Montreal and my goal was to start the 54. When I had the car, I though the motor was seized because it would not turn over while I was trying to make it turn by the fan with my hands. So I put oil in the cylinders. No luck. After that, I put diesel right to the top of the cylinders. No luck either. I decided to take off the water pump and the fan began to turn... Rust had made the impeler and the block glue together ( not sure of my English here). So, I went under the car with a small screwdriver and the motor would turn very easy. I think the motor was not seized at all at first. After that I took off the rust from the water pump and replaced it. ( I will put another one later). So, the motor was turning when I would put the key in but would not start. So I bought new wiring, plugs, rotor, distributor cap etc. The week before, while working on the motor I took off the end of a spring but forgot to check where the other end would hold to. I would soon realize that this spring would retain the linkage for the gaz pedal. ( Bad thing!). On my 53, the little can of gaz is connected to the gaz pump with a tube attached to a pipe. So, I decided to do the same on the 54, not noticing ( even if I realize, by the picture I took after, I should have seen there was another fitting) the gaz pump was different ( seems like double or what...). Imagine, the car has the front end in the back of the garage. A friend who was with me said that he prefered to go out of the garage while I would try to start. Good thing! So, I put the key on start and that motor started after 3 seconds but it seems it was at 6000 rpm cause the gaz was right on the floor! The 2 carbs roaring full pin ( it seems an eternity but I took the key off after 4 or 5 seconds...) and I could not see for 3 feet in front of me cause the garage was full of smoke...I went in front of the car to take off a cable from the battery just in case...). I went to check after and noticed that the gaz had spitted from the other fitting from the gaz pump ( you can check the picture attached). My question, is it possible that the tube was attached to a vacuum fiiting instead of a gaz fitting? I am going back next week to Montreal and will try again but, first, I will push tha car out of the garage. Something else I should do? OK guys, when you will finish to laugh, you can answer me..:D P.S. I just loved the sound I heard from that motor...

Comments

  • nick s
    nick s Senior Contributor
    the top two fittings you can see in your picture are for vacuum. not visible in your picture, on the bottom rear is the inlet for the fuel. where the rubber tubing is attached should route to the wiper motor and the open fitting to the balance tube.
  • SuperDave
    SuperDave Senior Contributor
    For Gods Sake Don't do that in a garage! You could easily have burned the place down... with you in it! Not to mention..we would have lost another Hudson!

    Next time.. push it out of the garage before messing with gasoline and trying to start it.

    Yes you had the fuel connected to the vacuum pump.

    Sounds like you have a good engine. The smoke was from all the "unsticking" efforts. It will burn off..Just takes time. The fuel pump may be working, since the engine started and ran without the aid of your improper gas connection.

    Good Luck!
  • Boy, I'm glad luck was on your side! Ju fuel directly from the tank into the intake manifoldst be thankful no one was hurt or injured and nothing happened to the coar or the garage. the bottom of the dual action fuel pump is for the fuel. I don't see anything hooked to the pump inlet, that one should feed from the fuel tank. The top portion is a vacuum booster for the windshield wipers. The inlet should be hooked to the fitting on the equalizer tube, usually at the rear of it, and the other fitting goes to the wiper motor. Appears the way it was hooked up, it was pumping fuel directly from the tank into the manifold. Good luck and be careful, We want to talk to you more on here and see your car back on the road!
  • 54SuperWasp
    54SuperWasp Expert Adviser
    Thanks guys, I knew there would be some reactions on this one. And yes, I was lucky nothing more happened and yes, I promise I won't try it this way again. What I can't understand is, how come I did not notice that fitting with nothing on it. I wanted so much to hear that motor run that I completly missed it... Next week-end I will be in Montreal again and I should have much better news to tell. Will add more pictures. Might try a little video if possible. Another question, is that kind of gaz pump better than others? I mean, on the 53 it seems to be more simpler... And I have another one that seems brand new or rebuilt. Thanks again for your support! Michel.
  • Supposedly the vacuum side of the pump was to keep the wipers operatin when the throttle was opened suddenly, some times it did and sometimes it didn't. If you can live without the dual action pump, a good single action one is from early 80s AMC 258 CID 6 cyl. engines, altho the lines have to be reconfigured to hook them up.
  • Steve E wrote:
    Supposedly the vacuum side of the pump was to keep the wipers operatin when the throttle was opened suddenly, some times it did and sometimes it didn't. If you can live without the dual action pump, a good single action one is from early 80s AMC 258 CID 6 cyl. engines, altho the lines have to be reconfigured to hook them up.



    You also forgot to tell him that he must also use the 1/4 inch spacer that is on the old pump, our he will break the armm right off. Walt.
  • Yes I did, sorry. You must use the spacer that is between the block and the nfuel pump mounting flange or the pump will be damaged as Walt said.
  • 54SuperWasp
    54SuperWasp Expert Adviser
    Thanks again all of you, I took good notes of everything. I will probably keep this same pump if it works well. I remember having red to check the distance not to break anything and put a spacer if needed. I pray this motor runs well.
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