Clifford Headers

hudsonguy
hudsonguy Senior Contributor
edited November -1 in HUDSON
I bought a set of the shorty style headers from Clifford back in '06, and am extremely happy with them.

A couple of friends are looking to make the same installation, and I was wondering if Clifford is still in business? All of the old links I used then only bring up a couple of decals. All of the speed parts seem to have disappeared.

Has anyone purchased Clifford headers recently?

Thanks for the help,
Doug
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  • GrimGreaser
    GrimGreaser Senior Contributor
    edited October 2010
    If you hit the main Clifford site, you can download their current catalog. All the Hudson stuff is still listed in there.

    Stock availability, I don't know...
  • I spoke to them just last week. They are still in business.
  • hudsonguy
    hudsonguy Senior Contributor
    edited October 2010
    I appreciate the help, but I still can't find anything but stickers in the Hudson section of the catalog.

    I'll pass along to my friends that they just need to call them to order headers.

    Thanks for the help.
  • GrimGreaser
    GrimGreaser Senior Contributor
    Nuts, you're right. Last I looked they still had Hudson In/Ex manifolds listed in the pdf catalog on the main page. Not anymore.
  • hdsn49
    hdsn49 Senior Contributor
    Last month I looked up parts for my '66 Dodge Van w/225 slant six. I also looked at the Hudson section. There were more parts listed. I checked today and all you see are the decals. Jack must be rolling over in his grave.
  • dougson
    dougson Senior Contributor
    Yikes, just looked at the Clifford site and the headers for Hudson are indeed gone :woohoo: . They were there several months ago. Not good if true, I was going to get a set. Got to find out if they no longer make them or make them as a special order.
  • I spoke to Larry at Clifford and they still do carry the Hudson product line. He only has two heads left and no headers. He needs a number of header orders in order to make a production run.... I guess that's the sign of our economic times. They are also developing a new hudson Twin weber carb intake unit to replace the twin-h unit. He'd be interested to knowing how many would be interested in such a creature. Niels
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    Well, I just got off of the phone from a 45-minute conversation with Larry at Clifford Performance. The purpose of the call was to let him know that I would be interested in a set of headers and to put my name on the list if he intended to do a run of Hudson Headers, and if he got enough orders to warrant the run in the first place.

    Fortunately, he told me that he has all ready placed the order for a run of 25 sets (which gets farmed out to a local mfg.). There is a Jeep order in front of the Hudson order, but the Hudson Headers should be ready in 2-3 weeks. He took my name, address, phone number and told me he would call when he received the headers for stock. No money has changed hands, but he told me I could pay for them when he had the headers in hand. Price was $359.00 + shipping (shipping is $70 to Texas, and varies accordingly to locale).

    What a great guy! We then talked Hudson shop for the next 40 minutes or so. Some information I gleaned on the headers is that Jack used to make changes on the headers whenever someone complained about something. Every time he made a change, he would assign a new part # to the new design. So there wasn't only a "long" set and a "shorty" set, but there were actually about a dozen different designs. Larry, has taken one of the "long" sets, shortened it, and only makes the one style of header now. Beneficial to everyone, this new standard set of headers is designed to work in both the LWB's and the SWB's. Additionally, the headers are coated in a High-Temp black paint before they are shipped to the customer.

    In my infinite wisdom, I forgot to ask whether or not a gasket (header to block) is needed for the headers, maybe one of y'all can fill me in on that one.

    Additionally, Larry told me that even though Hudson parts are not in the catalog, there are scores of parts available for Hudsons, including lifters, pistons, valves, heads, headers and cams. One needs only to call him and give him one's needs. Also, he told me that Jack often didn't list Hudson parts in his main catalogs, but usually had a supplement that listed all the Hudson-specific parts. In my ignorance, I assumed that they used to only make Hudson parts, as I have an old Hudson catalog from Clifford, which, it turns out, is apparently one of the supplements.

    Larry is still very much interested in continuing to supply the Hudson folks with parts, but realizes, especially as time goes on, the Hudson market is getting smaller and demand is not what it used to be. But he, and his family are still rooted in Hudsons, and the family still owns several of Jack's old cars. He was extremely helpful and I look forward to buying many more parts from him in the near future.
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    Thank you, Charlie, and yes, you are right on the money.
  • hudsonguy
    hudsonguy Senior Contributor
    Thanks for the information Russ. That's all great to know. I've forwarded it along to my buddy that's in the market for headers.

    I also agree with the opinion to ALWAYS buy from Hudson suppliers first. They do a priceless, but unfortunately underappreciated service to ALL Hudson owners. Of all the dealings I've had with anyone that advertises in the WTN and sells specific Hudson parts, every single transaction has been a pleasure. To be able to give them their pittance of profit (which is very little if at all in most cases) is the least we can do as Hudson owners. My .02

    It's also great to know that Larry is still supplying us with a fantastic product. I couldn't be happier with the set of headers I bought from him a few years ago. I think it's an upgrade that any stepdown will benefit from. You can feel that the engine is breathing better right away!
  • DavidC
    DavidC Senior Contributor
    I spoke to a Clifford rep the other day who reassured me that despite the missing items on the web site, Clifford is still making most of the performance parts. I am still waiting for my headers, but I was assured they'll be coming soon. Call them.

    Dave
  • dougson
    dougson Senior Contributor
    I called Lance yesterday. Several sets almost ready. I purchased a set, about $370 including ship.
  • GrimGreaser
    GrimGreaser Senior Contributor
    Good to know they plan on producing Hudson parts into the future. Soon as I am able, I plan to get a set of headers. Hell, I got a whole list of Ford Big Six stuff I need from Clifford too.
  • esfoder
    esfoder Expert Adviser
    I bought a head from Larry about 2 months ago and found him easy to talk to. I would buy a NEW TWIN H from him if they get made. Mine with the exhaust manifold weighs a ton.

    Dusty
  • question, will these work with a twinH 308 car and a non-Twin-H 308? can i stay with single exhaust or would i need to switch to dual exhaust? thanks
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    VGeorge-

    Can't answer that question with any certainty, until my headers are in my hands. Not sure if all six pipes fit into a single collector, or 3 pipes each into two collectors. Regardless, setting up either single exhaust or dual exhaust should not be a problem, as this could be done past the point of the end of the headers.
  • esfoder wrote:
    I bought a head from Larry about 2 months ago and found him easy to talk to. I would buy a NEW TWIN H from him if they get made. Mine with the exhaust manifold weighs a ton.

    Dusty

    I'm curious as to what what you think of the head? Have you installed it yet? I drove 80 miles to see Larry at Clifford a day ago. He has alot of neat Hudson stuff. I saw the last two heads he has in stock. They are true eye candy. I still may spring for one... they are about $795.00. They don't sell many so I would'nt hold my breath if he doesn't make any more but who knows. He has three different Hudson cams and ofcourse, he has the headers. They also have a fuel injection unit that can be used for the Hudson.
    I had driven my 51 Hornet Coupe so he could see it. He really is love with the Twin-H units. After seeing the big red aircleaners he said "None of the Hudson guys will want to get rid of their Twin-H's" "They work darned good and look bitchen".

    Larry also has some manifold adaptors that allow you to mount Webers on a twin-H unit if you are so inclinded. On a last note, he mention that one of Jacks relatives has four of Jacks Hudson race cars... one was a wold record holder and won Pikes Peak. I guess Jack Clifford and Bill Albright knew each other pretty well. Cool stuff. Niels
  • Unknown
    edited October 2010
    The Clifford Headers will have 6 into Two different collectors unless they have changed the design. The only headers I have seen that have 6 into one are the Bruce Silva Headers out of California. I have both. The ones Bruce Silva sold are truly a work of art. Most people that are using the Clifford Headers are running duel exhaust. That's the way my Hollywood is set-up.
  • Browniepetersen
    Browniepetersen Senior Contributor
    Got a few photos from Empire Motors (13451 Montana Ave, El Paso, Texas 79938-9616 915 856 9507 www.empiremotorsinc.com )yesterday of his finned Aluminum (356-T6 By the way, that is the Aluminum we would use on the Space Shuttle Solid Rocket Booster Nozzles--hard stuff...) cylinder Heads (weight 15 pounds) Looks like there is someone else in the business?
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    Got a few photos from Empire Motors (13451 Montana Ave, El Paso, Texas 79938-9616 915 856 9507 www.empiremotorsinc.com )yesterday of his finned Aluminum (356-T6 By the way, that is the Aluminum we would use on the Space Shuttle Solid Rocket Booster Nozzles--hard stuff...) cylinder Heads (weight 15 pounds) Looks like there is someone else in the business?

    Hi Brownie,

    Did Empire Motors give you a price of their Hudson head?

    Lee O'Dell
  • GrimGreaser
    GrimGreaser Senior Contributor
    Got a few photos from Empire Motors (13451 Montana Ave, El Paso, Texas 79938-9616 915 856 9507 www.empiremotorsinc.com )yesterday of his finned Aluminum (356-T6 By the way, that is the Aluminum we would use on the Space Shuttle Solid Rocket Booster Nozzles--hard stuff...) cylinder Heads (weight 15 pounds) Looks like there is someone else in the business?

    Pics or it didn't happen Brownie! :)
  • esfoder
    esfoder Expert Adviser
    nhp1127 wrote:
    esfoder wrote:
    I bought a head from Larry about 2 months ago and found him easy to talk to. I would buy a NEW TWIN H from him if they get made. Mine with the exhaust manifold weighs a ton.

    Dusty
    I have not put the head on anything yet. I picked it up because I wanted the Clifford head and like you said the supply might go away?? It looks like a quality piece and will see how it works some time in the future. I hope..

    Dusty

    P.S. as far as other people making them(heads)competion is always good for us the consumer.


    I'm curious as to what what you think of the head? Have you installed it yet? I drove 80 miles to see Larry at Clifford a day ago. He has alot of neat Hudson stuff. I saw the last two heads he has in stock. They are true eye candy. I still may spring for one... they are about $795.00. They don't sell many so I would'nt hold my breath if he doesn't make any more but who knows. He has three different Hudson cams and ofcourse, he has the headers. They also have a fuel injection unit that can be used for the Hudson.
    I had driven my 51 Hornet Coupe so he could see it. He really is love with the Twin-H units. After seeing the big red aircleaners he said "None of the Hudson guys will want to get rid of their Twin-H's" "They work darned good and look bitchen".

    Larry also has some manifold adaptors that allow you to mount Webers on a twin-H unit if you are so inclinded. On a last note, he mention that one of Jacks relatives has four of Jacks Hudson race cars... one was a wold record holder and won Pikes Peak. I guess Jack Clifford and Bill Albright knew each other pretty well. Cool stuff. Niels
  • Got a few photos from Empire Motors (13451 Montana Ave, El Paso, Texas 79938-9616 915 856 9507 www.empiremotorsinc.com )yesterday of his finned Aluminum (356-T6 By the way, that is the Aluminum we would use on the Space Shuttle Solid Rocket Booster Nozzles--hard stuff...) cylinder Heads (weight 15 pounds) Looks like there is someone else in the business?

    No pics on their website yet but it looks as if they have a number of other uncommon heads already.

    These guys are in the foundry and mold biz.... I bet someone could get a nice run of reproduction porkchops made..hummmmmm?
  • hudsonsplasher1
    hudsonsplasher1 Senior Contributor
    Got a few photos from Empire Motors (13451 Montana Ave, El Paso, Texas 79938-9616 915 856 9507 www.empiremotorsinc.com )yesterday of his finned Aluminum (356-T6 By the way, that is the Aluminum we would use on the Space Shuttle Solid Rocket Booster Nozzles--hard stuff...) cylinder Hea
    ds (weight 15 pounds) Looks like there is someone else in the business?
    Hi, Has anyone heard more on the heads from Empire motors?
    Thanks, Gene.
  • Ol racer
    Ol racer Senior Contributor
    edited December 2010
    FYI

    Ironically, I just received an Update from Rudy Bennett today with a few pictures which look great.....

    One new Head is to be final test fit to a Hornet Block this wknd then shipped out. Four more new Heads are arriving next week.

    Additionally,
    An Aluminum dual 2bbl Intake Manifold is already in the Mold Process.
  • hornet53
    hornet53 Senior Contributor
    If I remember correctly, Clifford used to offer a long 6 into 2, a long 6 into 1, and short 6 into 2 header for the Hudson 6. I have the long 6 into 2 on my Hornet right now and i love it. I got it from Jim Harmon back in 06, still in the box. He recommended buying the gasket from Clifford if it doesn't come with one, as the Clifford gasket is a bit thicker.
    I'm a little disappointed that they only offer a shorty now.
  • Great looking head...
  • russmaas
    russmaas Senior Contributor
    Regarding headers, I have a customer coming in for a engine swap among other things we are putting in headers to his 49 hudson. He brought out a short tight set with dual outlets tht he got in less than two weeks from a company out of Californis. It was not Clifford. I had not heard of the company and can not recall it at this time. the fellow will be back within a week and I will get the product info for you guys and a picture of the headers.

    Regarding the headers, they looked like the ones silva was producing one piece except with dual outlets and these heades were mig welded not tig. I believe they ran around $375 for the set. Well worth the buy IMO

    russ maas
  • dougson
    dougson Senior Contributor
    I ordered a set from Clifford in October, paid for them. Lance (phone) first said they were ready but then told me they are being constructed. Some problem with either whomever is actually making them or some part being hard to get. Something else about communication issues and that the actual builder might get mad and stop working on them........... :huh: A little nervous now.
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