1940 Details
I'm looking for an expert on 1940 Hudson Sixes to help me determine if a car I'm looking at is a Traveller or a Deluxe. So far I've learned that the two models share the same block of serial numbers. The car is a Model 40 three passenger coupe. But how do I tell if it's a Traveller or a Deluxe?
Anybody know the fine points between the two?
Anybody know the fine points between the two?
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From the parts book I'd say a quick way would be by the vent windows - friction type vent windows were standard on 40P (Deluxe), 41 and 44 2 door sedans, 3-Pass coupes and Victoria Coupes.
However, they were used on 40 Traveler, 40C (Commercial) and 48 when equipped.
You can check this out by going to my on-line site @ http://hetclub.org/burr - scroll to the bottom of the 1st page and click on manuals. There is a 1940 Group Parts book in the manuals section - vent windows are on page 133.
Also, there should be a 40P or 40T stamped on the serial number plate, tho I'm not positive about that.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
Your on-line site is amazing!
I have looked through the parts book you mentioned quite thoroughly, and it appears that there is some sort of difference between the doors of a Traveller and a Deluxe 3passenger coupe, as different part numbers are shown for both the outer door skin as well as the door shell assembly.
I was hoping there might have been a difference with regard to sun visors, but the parts book only shows part numbers for the visors and doesn't specify applications.
My best clue so far has been the single horn. Is it possible that Deluxe cars came with twin horns and Travellers standard equipment was a single horn, with dual horns being optional?0 -
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Your observation on the horns is a possibility. Then again, knowing Hudson, maybe not.
According to Butler, the only difference of note was that the Deluxes had a slightly higher compression ratio which boosted horsepower from 86 on the Traveler to 92 on the Deluxe. Additionally, the 212 c.i. engine became available on the Deluxe mid-year. Although, I'm sure you could get it in a Traveller if you requested it from Hudson. They were very accommodating to buying customers!
Additionally, most literature, and people in the know didn't even refer to the two different models by "Traveller" or "Deluxe", but rather referred to them simply as "Super Sixes".
As Alex has all ready pointed out, best is to go by the model identification, "40T" for Traveller and "40P" for the Deluxe. Is it not printed on your ID tag?0 -
Thanks for the info on the 212 option Russell. I knew that it was optional for Models 10 and 20 (1941 and 1942) but didn't realize that it came in mid-year for 1940.
I wonder if they did the same with those models as they did in 1941 and 1942 regards designation. In '41 and '42 the letter "L" was inserted in the serial number to designate that the car had the optional 212 engine. I think it would have read something like (for 1940 models 40T-L-xxxxxxx (or 40P-L-xxxxxx).
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
The only tag I have found thus far is the serial number tag in the right door opening. The tag is all numbers. There is no "T" or "P" in it.
Is there another ID tag I should be looking for? I have not found any on the firewall.0 -
The only tag I have found thus far is the serial number tag in the right door opening. The tag is all numbers. There is no "T" or "P" in it.
Nope, that's the one. I thought they put 40T, 40P or 40C before the serial number.
Strange that they didn't.
Hudsonly,
Alex B0 -
Serial numbers beginning with "40" are travellers. The big deal is the engine. The 212 was available as an option in all junior models from car one. If your car has a 175 ci engine, though, (like mine does)it is probably a Traveller. :whistle:0
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BTW, I have never seen a '40 with no vent windows. They made them, I beleive, but it was a model below Traveler (spelled it right this time) that appeared in the literature as a commercial vehicle.0
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It looks like if it has one horn, it is a Traveler. if it has two horns, it is a Deluxe. See pages out of the 1940 Hudson Data Book. They are blurry, but on the Hudson Six page (Left) if you look up about one quarter up from the bottom on the left hand side, it looks like it says one vibratory horn. On the Hudson Deluxe page (Right) if you look up about one quarter up from the bottom on the left hand side, it looks like it says two air horns. By the way this book is for sale. See link.
http://www.kenmcgeeautobooks.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=85&products_id=29980 -
mars55 wrote:It looks like if it has one horn, it is a Traveler. if it has two horns, it is a Deluxe. See pages out of the 1940 Hudson Data Book. They are blurry, but on the Hudson Six page (Left) if you look up about one quarter up from the bottom on the left hand side, it looks like it says one vibratory horn. On the Hudson Deluxe page (Right) if you look up about one quarter up from the bottom on the left hand side, it looks like it says two air horns. By the way this book is for sale. See link.
http://www.kenmcgeeautobooks.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=85&products_id=2998
:S Steep price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
It's only about $100.00 more than I would pay . It's Hudson Not Rolls Royce,
Roger0 -
Thanks for all of your help. I think the single horn is the final tip-off.
Yes, Ken is not shy when it comes to his asking prices. Of course if he's trying to BUY something from you, it's a bit of a different story.0
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