Gas prices and driving to the National
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Personally, I'm thrilled to see gas prices go up. It's the exact thing we need as a nation to cause market forces which will encourage manufacturers to put their resources into more fuel efficient vehicles rather than building 400+ horsepower monsters.
A 1980's Datsun 210 could get almost 45 mpg... in the ensuing years we've made no progress whatsoever in limiting our national consumption of a clearly limited resource. Current government corporate mileage standards are a joke by any measure, and just reflect our government's continuing pandering to Detroit and Corporate Oil lobbyists.
In Europe, where wise (in my opinion) gas taxes bring prices to the $6-7/gallon range, the average fuel consumption there is 35+ mpg... and without any required government mandates... the market creates the incentive for manufacturers to develop more fuel efficient vehicles, and I firmly believe they have the right approach.
Sadly, none of our politicians have the balls to recognize the obvious.. a small necessary tax increase to solve our current budget crisis, and a BIG gas tax increase to discourage our growing appetite for gasoline. It's just easier to take the sad old line of "No new taxes", although our overall tax structure is significantly lower than virtually any other civilized economy in the world (hence our deficit crisis), AND dramatically lower than it was in our country in the 60's and 70's when our nation enjoyed unbridled economic prosperity.
Nevertheless, I didn't buy my Hornet for fuel efficiency, and I doubt any other Hudson devotees did either. Isn't the whole idea of a national get-together to give us an opportunity to put our incredible machines on the road and show to the world just how reliable a 60+ year old car can be? I'll gladly shell out for the gas for my 10 mpg monster for the experience, and figure it's a hell of a lot cheaper than a weekend in the Carribean!
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Doc
Hope to see you in San Marcos this weekend! I beleive Hudson Gandpa is planning to be there as well. Possibly a two Hudson caravan?0 -
Nice for you to say that, but what about the Hudson owners that lost their jobs, homes, and have to sell off their Hudsons. Give it a thought. Walt.0
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\DocHornet\ wrote:Personally, I\'m thrilled to see gas prices go up. It\'s the exact thing we need as a nation to cause market forces which will encourage manufacturers to put their resources into more fuel efficient vehicles rather than building 400+ horsepower monsters.
A 1980\'s Datsun 210 could get almost 45 mpg... in the ensuing years we\'ve made no progress whatsoever in limiting our national consumption of a clearly limited resource. Current government corporate mileage standards are a joke by any measure, and just reflect our government\'s continuing pandering to Detroit and Corporate Oil lobbyists.
In Europe, where wise (in my opinion) gas taxes bring prices to the $6-7/gallon range, the average fuel consumption there is 35+ mpg... and without any required government mandates... the market creates the incentive for manufacturers to develop more fuel efficient vehicles, and I firmly believe they have the right approach.
Sadly, none of our politicians have the balls to recognize the obvious.. a small necessary tax increase to solve our current budget crisis, and a BIG gas tax increase to discourage our growing appetite for gasoline. It\'s just easier to take the sad old line of \"No new taxes\", although our overall tax structure is significantly lower than virtually any other civilized economy in the world (hence our deficit crisis), AND dramatically lower than it was in our country in the 60\'s and 70\'s when our nation enjoyed unbridled economic prosperity.
Nevertheless, I didn\'t buy my Hornet for fuel efficiency, and I doubt any other Hudson devotees did either. Isn\'t the whole idea of a national get-together to give us an opportunity to put our incredible machines on the road and show to the world just how reliable a 60+ year old car can be? I\'ll gladly shell out for the gas for my 10 mpg monster for the experience, and figure it\'s a hell of a lot cheaper than a weekend in the Carribean!
Just sayin\'
No offense....but I have yet to see a tax solve a problem. Gasoline is only small part of oil use and it is not the driving public that should being solving these issues.
Taxing has only proven to slow the economy; in fact it is the high fuel prices of the 2007 summer that sparked the latest downturn which has lasted so long.
If you still think a tax will solve the issue, explain your view to people making minimum wage and just trying to get to work. $4 dollar fuel is killing these people.0 -
DocHornet wrote:Personally, I'm thrilled to see gas prices go up. It's the exact thing we need as a nation to cause market forces which will encourage manufacturers to put their resources into more fuel efficient vehicles rather than building 400+ horsepower monsters.
A 1980's Datsun 210 could get almost 45 mpg... in the ensuing years we've made no progress whatsoever in limiting our national consumption of a clearly limited resource. Current government corporate mileage standards are a joke by any measure, and just reflect our government's continuing pandering to Detroit and Corporate Oil lobbyists.
In Europe, where wise (in my opinion) gas taxes bring prices to the $6-7/gallon range, the average fuel consumption there is 35+ mpg... and without any required government mandates... the market creates the incentive for manufacturers to develop more fuel efficient vehicles, and I firmly believe they have the right approach.
Sadly, none of our politicians have the balls to recognize the obvious.. a small necessary tax increase to solve our current budget crisis, and a BIG gas tax increase to discourage our growing appetite for gasoline. It's just easier to take the sad old line of "No new taxes", although our overall tax structure is significantly lower than virtually any other civilized economy in the world (hence our deficit crisis), AND dramatically lower than it was in our country in the 60's and 70's when our nation enjoyed unbridled economic prosperity.
Nevertheless, I didn't buy my Hornet for fuel efficiency, and I doubt any other Hudson devotees did either. Isn't the whole idea of a national get-together to give us an opportunity to put our incredible machines on the road and show to the world just how reliable a 60+ year old car can be? I'll gladly shell out for the gas for my 10 mpg monster for the experience, and figure it's a hell of a lot cheaper than a weekend in the Carribean!
Just sayin'
Doc, My ideas could not be more distant from yours. If you would like to know what it is like to be laid off after 40 years of service drop me a note and I'll tell you how someone on a fixed income pays more taxes....0 -
I just filled up today and paid $5.55 imp gal up here in Ontario. How far are gas prices going to rise as everything we purchase is tied to gas prices. Many a company out there has to pass on the extra cost of fuel,as a result we get hit over and over.0
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twelch wrote:No offense....but I have yet to see a tax solve a problem. Gasoline is only small part of oil use and it is not the driving public that should being solving these issues.
Taxing has only proven to slow the economy; in fact it is the high fuel prices of the 2007 summer that sparked the latest downturn which has lasted so long.
If you still think a tax will solve the issue, explain your view to people making minimum wage and just trying to get to work. $4 dollar fuel is killing these people.
Ted,
Could not agree more....
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41truck wrote:I just filled up today and paid $5.55 imp gal up here in Ontario. How far are gas prices going to rise as everything we purchase is tied to gas prices. Many a company out there has to pass on the extra cost of fuel,as a result we get hit over and over.
High gas prices in 2008 - price of goods went up. Gas prices dropped, but the price of groceries, and most other commodities, didn't come back down that much.
I'm making ends meet on (after rent and ex-wife support) $1250 a month. I wasn't going much of anywhere before this current hike in gas prices - I'm sure as hell going out a lot less. One weekly trip for groceries (got that down to $30 a week) and the library. Can't go anywhere - might as well read, which is one thing I do enjoy.
I will be going to Oklahoma City - if I have to hitch hike.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
Not to pry but is that $1250 BEFORE or After the rent and support?0
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TOM-WA- wrote:Not to pry but is that $1250 BEFORE or After the rent and support?
AFTER rent and support - I'm living on $1250 a month for bills and food.
Alex B0 -
That isn't bad....I'll take $1250 a month after rent...0
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A meal out is BurgerKing for a $4 breakfast a couple times a month. Hey, what the heck - I doubled the value of my car this morning; I put $25 in the gas tank!!! :woohoo:
Hudsonly,
Alex B0 -
Diesel is now $4.30 a gallon here, unleaded is $4.10!:ohmy:0
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