Hudson "Woody" Junker
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Selling it on eBay probably makes sense to many people, but I have issues with that company and their policies. I used to buy and sell on eBay, until about 5 years ago. Nothing since then. Also, the world venue doesn't entice me at all. I wouldn't sell to anyone that didn't live in the USA or Canada, and I'm not sure about Canada. I'd much prefer a private sale, if possible, with as few details involved in the sale, except as necessary.
I'm not ruling out eBay, or other auction sites. They are simply way down on the list of possibilities.
This brings up an interesting question to me. If, and when, I sell this to anyone, is there any paperwork necessary that must go along with the vehicle? I have nothing at all! The car was basically abandoned by my uncle at my father's home - 50+/- years ago. Whether or not my uncle ever had any bill of sale, or title, is unknown to me? Certainly my father, mother, or I never had anything.
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You could mention you do not accept to sell internationally like some people do not accept to ship overseas (unfortunately...), Ebay is interesting as it's seen by many people but in this cas, the buyer needs to show up by himself, dig out the car, put it on a trailer and bring it to a container to ship it home... Not easy at all...0
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Bill - every state is different but in Calif. you could load it onto a trailer, take it to DMV, fill out a "Lost Title" form, provide them with the VIN but taking the trailer & car there, they inspect it then "run" it to see if not reported stolen or registered in the last few years, and if so, you'd get a nice fresh new "pink slip" in the mail.
Possession is 9/10ths of the law.
I understand some states don't even have titles, just use bill of sale. If you're in Ill., or whereever, I'd just go down to the state agency that handles that, get necessary forms & info & get a title as I know a lot of guys WON'T touch a car for which there is no title, and rightfully so!0 -
I just got off the phone with the NYSDMV and they told me that I must get a transferable registration before I can sell it. This requires a tracing, photo or viewing by a law enforcement officer, of the VIN, then taking that information to the MV office and starting a new paper trail for the title. It could take several weeks or longer to do this, but I'm glad I found out now and not later. By making a new title, it will be a cleaner deal than not having it.
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Bill Weber wrote:I just got off the phone with the NYSDMV and they told me that I must get a transferable registration before I can sell it. This requires a tracing, photo or viewing by a law enforcement officer, of the VIN, then taking that information to the MV office and starting a new paper trail for the title. It could take several weeks or longer to do this, but I'm glad I found out now and not later. By making a new title, it will be a cleaner deal than not having it.
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Bill, one way around cumbersome regulations such as what you've encountered can be to find someone in a title state who can get you a title.
To clarify I'll use the state of Maine where I used to live. Vehicles beyond a certain age do not require a title, but one can be obtained for, the last I knew, $50. So if I lived in the state of Maine, which I used to, you could "sell" me the car; I would then take the bill of sale to the registry and apply for a title. Once the title was received I would then "sell" the car back to you and you would have a Maine title which should satisfy DMV.
It does take a little faith that the person you are dealing with won't laugh in your face and make off with your vehicle - I'd say with 99% of the Hudson club people you are pretty safe. I think I can safely say that if anybody that did this for you stiffed you their life would become miserable.
Back in the day when I lived in Maine I did this several times for Hudson owners requiring a title.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
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I did the "local viewing" thing once. Knew a friend who knew a local cop. We met & he was happy to come by, see my Hudsons, and inspect & verify the one I had which was inoperable so if you know a member of the local constabulary, go that route.0
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Thanks for the tip, Alex. I met the sheriff on site tonight and he checked out the VIN, and gave me the letter of verification that the MV requires (printed it out right in his patrol vehicle), so I think I'll see what else they want from me before I abandon the effort and go the way you suggest.
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Bill Weber wrote:Thanks for the tip, Alex. I met the sheriff on site tonight and he checked out the VIN, and gave me the letter of verification that the MV requires (printed it out right in his patrol vehicle), so I think I'll see what else they want from me before I abandon the effort and go the way you suggest.
BW
As my pappy told me "Always take the easy way - it's less confusing!!" LOL
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
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I'm happy I live in Australia, If I bought a car like this, I would simply pay the owner the amount he states, then the vehicle is mine, no titles necessary, no paperwork except for a receipt for the cash that I handed over, so simple.If, on the other hand you are buying a fully registered vehicle then that is different, but, buying an old unregistered vehicle such as this one, nothing.Hand over the money get a receipt then the cars mine.0
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I would say that the laws are in place to protect those of us who restore these cars. A number of years back you could pick up any copy of Old Cars Weekly and find an article about the restoration of a collectable car that after the restoration was finished and they went to register the car the restorer is told that the car was stolen thirty years ago and the car ended up in the hands of the original owner with a fresh restoration with the restorer simply out the time and money that they had in the car. The laws you now encounter are a result of stories such as those of by-gone years. The practice of restoring a car today with out a clear title is a thing of the past.0
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Just get your cousin Russell to give a you a Bill of Sale. Get the lost title packet from the state of Illinois. The whole thing cost about $275 including the title when done.
Although in that state it can only be used as a template for another vehicle. I doubt that is worth $275, maybe a $125 in metal.0 -
I spent most of today either at two local county DMV's or on the phone with the State DMV at the capitol. It seems that wherever you go, the questions you ask come back with different answers.
I ended up having to pay for a two year registration, a new plate fee, proof of insurance, and a plate surrender fee. Total final cost to me of $83.00. I get to wait for a refund for the two year registration fee, but the new plate fee and the turn in fee are lost.
Early in the day I was told that I would have to pay a sales tax on the car. Why? I don't know. They based it on a LOW BOOK value of $18,400.00!!!!! It came to $1,610.00!!!!! I nearly melted the ice cap! I'm not going to go much further with this, but the story is right up there with "Gone With The Wind"! Another call to the state capitol reduced that tax to $8.oo, based on a $100.00 value, and still another call erased it completely. Our government at work for the people!
In any case, given that there are no further glitches in the process, I've got a non-transferable registration in my hands and I must now wait for the state to send me a transferable registration, after they review the application. I don't expect any problems, but who knows?
Nothing left to do now except to try to discover the motor block number, if I ever get the daylight to do it and it stops raining!
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Nice from your part Alex to help these cars back on the road !
Here in Europe there is a way to get a 'collectibloe car title' but without riginal title it's dead in advance :oops:
Long before I bought my ET33 in 2010, I found a 1929 Chevrolet coach in Belgium, the car was in original condition but imported from Mexico with transportation invoice but without title, the guy is still in a helpless fight and this nice car is nailed in a garage, such a pity and such a shame...
http://voiture.mitula.be/voiture/chevrolet-1929-oldtimer0 -
Bill Weber wrote:I spent most of today either at two local county DMV's or on the phone with the State DMV at the capitol. It seems that wherever you go, the questions you ask come back with different answers.
I ended up having to pay for a two year registration, a new plate fee, proof of insurance, and a plate surrender fee. Total final cost to me of $83.00. I get to wait for a refund for the two year registration fee, but the new plate fee and the turn in fee are lost.
Early in the day I was told that I would have to pay a sales tax on the car. Why? I don't know. They based it on a LOW BOOK value of $18,400.00!!!!! It came to $1,610.00!!!!! I nearly melted the ice cap! I'm not going to go much further with this, but the story is right up there with "Gone With The Wind"! Another call to the state capitol reduced that tax to $8.oo, based on a $100.00 value, and still another call erased it completely. Our government at work for the people!
In any case, given that there are no further glitches in the process, I've got a non-transferable registration in my hands and I must now wait for the state to send me a transferable registration, after they review the application. I don't expect any problems, but who knows?
Nothing left to do now except to try to discover the motor block number, if I ever get the daylight to do it and it stops raining!
BW
OUCH!! Combination of a couple things at work here - states are going after money any way they can get it and petty beaurocrats huddling in a corner, holding you over a barrel, puffed up by their own idiotic importance.
Beleive me I know from where I speak on beaurocrats - I worked, as a civilian, for over 10 years at the Naval Shipyard in Portsmouth, NH. Knowledge is power to a beauraucrat - that's why nothing gets shared. To give a bit of knowledge away is to give away a little power.
Thank God I wasn't like that in my dealings.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
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I've been following all that was written here and its like watching a group of talented archeologists digging and trying to identify a mummy. Hope to see the final act of it. Just writing to congratulate all of you who put your knowledge all together to try to solve that mystery. I'm sure I'm not alone to think that but I wanted you to know that we appreciate all the help that is given to anybody who need it here. Thanks guys! Michel.0
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Early in the day I was told that I would have to pay a sales tax on the car. Why? I don't know. They based it on a LOW BOOK value of $18,400.00!!!!!
For that kind of money,...I'd tell um' "SOLD"! And you got ten days to get it off of the property.
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Bill - that's really quite typical, at least in states with a lot of cars. In Calif. I would often go to several different DMV offices 'til I found a clerk who would tell me what I wanted, then I'd do business with her for if you went back you might be assigned to another who would want something different than what the 1st one did, LOL!
In Calif. their book of rules & regs was at least 4" thick & constantly be changed & reinterpreted - god save us!0 -
GENTLEMEN:
This is the moment we have all been waiting for!
I just came from the Hudson location having not waited for the weather to change and, loaded with extra flashlights, and your information on where to look, I dug through the crud, sanded off the rust and found the motor block serial number!
As best I can determine, the motor block serial number is 1410102.
Of course, that information is not what you and I wanted to see, or hear, but that's what it seems to be, and it's a far cry from the frame numbers which are 36734. That doesn't mean that this Hudson didn't start out as an eight cylinder vehicle that may have blown its engine and been changed out subsequently, but likewise, it doesn't cement it as being originally manufactured with a I8 motor either? That would have been nice, but it's not the case.
Can anyone now inject any additional information to further identify, or confuse, what I have here?
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That engine came out of a 41 Hudson model 18- eight cyl car0
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Bill - going back to a prior post hypothesis I made it could be that Hudson shipped a '41 8 chassis to Cantrell let us say late in '41. Cantrell got an order for a wagon & by the time they made it it was '42 so it was bodied as a '42.
Also, as a few of us know, there was at one time a '42 C8 conv. sitting in an old dealer's showroom (can't remember if it was Nebr. or S. D.???) about 40 years ago. However he had put a '46-7 front end on it! The HETer who eventually got it re-made it back to a '42 as it is today.
It is possible that the owner of the '42 6 cyl. wagon found it lacking in performance, or "blew" the engine, and put a '41 8 in it which is very easily done.
You need to find the chassis #.0 -
Sorry. No more number searches.
If the chassis number, of which you speak, is the aluminum tag on the passenger side door post, it has already been established that it is no longer attached to the vehicle, is missing, and perhaps melted by the fire.
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that's too bad. I know in the early '30s, not sure how early or late, the factory stamped the chassis # on the lower edge of the frame right behind the RF wheel but just looked at '41 & '42 Owners Manuals, when the chassis & engine # were the same, and it tells you that the serial # is on the door post plate & on top of the engine block - that of course does you no good as you have a '41 engine in a '42 chassis, seemingly.0
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Well, gentlemen, I suppose there isn't anything more to say about this relic woody. It's time to see what it's worth. Since you folks have assisted me in much of the identity that has been discovered, I think it only fair that you should be given the first chance at purchasing it. If you are at all interested in buying it, before the snow flies, please email me with "Hudson" on the subject line to deerflyguy@gmail.com and place your bid. I'd like to see it sold before it is frozen into the ground and cannot be moved. If you have further questions, email me your phone number and I will call you back, probably at night.
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oldhudsons wrote:Bill - going back to a prior post hypothesis I made it could be that Hudson shipped a '41 8 chassis to Cantrell let us say late in '41. Cantrell got an order for a wagon & by the time they made it it was '42 so it was bodied as a '42.
Also, as a few of us know, there was at one time a '42 C8 conv. sitting in an old dealer's showroom (can't remember if it was Nebr. or S. D.???) about 40 years ago. However he had put a '46-7 front end on it! The HETer who eventually got it re-made it back to a '42 as it is today.
It is possible that the owner of the '42 6 cyl. wagon found it lacking in performance, or "blew" the engine, and put a '41 8 in it which is very easily done.
You need to find the chassis #.
Peter K... the 42 8 you speak about was in SCOTIA NE and the owner during the war was Dean Seefus. Dean was involved in an accident and replaced the mangled sheetmetal with the 47 front end. The attached picture was taken by me at a Falk Family meet held in Franklin NE in 1975. The front end has been corrected back to the 42 front end at this time.0 -
Ken - OK, I don't remember when we went there but that is the name of the old dealer & town he was in.
The guy who bought it & restored it, as I am aware, was/is (not sure if he's still alive) who lived/lives in the Oakland, Calif. area. I met him several times but can't remember his name.0 -
I'm a bit confused?
With all the activity and questions presented here, I thought that there would be some interest in purchasing the 5th known existing 1942 Hudson Woody, and perhaps the only one with am eight cylinder engine?
I can still be reached at deerflyguy@gmail.com
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Bill--
The few hundred Hudsonites who regularly tune into this forum are but a fraction of the H-E-T Club. It's quite possible that some Club member (who's not computer savvy) might indeed be interested in purchasing the car, were he to know about it. May I suggest that you write up a classified ad and send it, along with a photo, to the White Triangle News, for placement in their "for sale" section? As a non-member you would need an HET member to "sponsor" your ad, so to speak, and I for one would be happy to "front" you. You can e-mail me at HETdetailed@verizon.net (please delete the HET from the address before sending).0 -
John's right: You need a larger market and the White Triangle News is larger. Larger yet would be eBay which has been suggested and you dismissed that wise advice. I just looked through all the photos again and I'm a dreamer, too. But honestly, and this won't be a popular comment or post, referring to what you have as a woody any more is like finding a piece or two of the space shuttle on the beach and declaring you have Challenger for sale. Sorry to be an ass, but this drama has drug on long enough.0
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It also doesn't help that the car is a hunk of junk which if given to most of us we couldn't afford to restore it.0
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Bill, what do you think it's worth, in your honest opinion. That said what are you asking.
You are wondering why nobody is rushing to your door with check in hand - drop some figures and then sit back and see what the reactions are.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0
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