UPS Delevery of our WTN in the Future?
With the information about what is going to happen to the US Post Office in the news yesterday. I was wondering if the WTN could be sent via the internet? Or will we be saddled with slower delevery cycles begining next year. I am not proficent with the computer, except with my e-mail and forum sites. Can anyone out there susgest a resolve to this forth coming delemia. I don't want to loose our WTN magizne as it is, in it's present format. But if the US Post Office fails due to the internet, then we need to have plans on the drawing board so that we can move forward. I don't have any answers to this question but someone out there may have a good sugestion.
Rich Smithen
Central Calif.Chapter
Rich Smithen
Central Calif.Chapter
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Rich,there will still be a USPS delivering the mail for a long time. However, the time it takes to receive it might take a day or two longer and the price may be higher. Sadly, this is the cost of doing business. Incidently, UPS and Fed Ex just raised their rates about 5%.0
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I would also love to see a digital version of the WTN. Over the last year I have transferred nearly all my Magazine subscriptions to digital. I use the Zinio service. So much easier to view them on my 27" monitor and every magazine is searchable. I did it for the cost savings and the space savings. I still have racks and racks of magazines in my office from the old days.
I would love to explore this option. And can also help with formatting as we moved all of our software manuals internally to digital format as well.0 -
For the last 4-5 years I have sent a digital copy of the magazine to the Club Library on disk. I have sent it as an attachement via email as an experiment, and it's a huge file which needs to be compressed. The digital versions in the library are .pdf files and not searchable. I'd like to see a lot more WTN content on the Club website, but building the website is a slow process currently. :cheer:0
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51hornetA wrote:
Over the last year I have I would love to explore this option. And can also help with formatting as we moved all of our software manuals internally to digital format as well.[/quote
I have found, in digitizing Hudson, et al, manuals is getting them. I am not financially able to purchase these manuals, nor can I scan anything much over 50 pages. If I can lay if flat I can scan it on my 8½ x 12 flatbed scanner.
If you haven't already done so check out the progress of my efforts at:
http://hetclub.org/burr/lithomepage.htm
The larger manuals I have there were one's that I managed to buy or was given permission to take apart (any manuals I take apart are returned in a 3-ring binder).
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
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God help us if it is sent by UPS, (OOPS), they manage to screw up everything that they've delivered to me. They're rates are too high as it is and their service is terrible. I'll go with the Post Office even if it's a little slower than it is now, at leasat they deliver enerythig in good conditionand their service is great, the same good service I get with FedEx!0
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Everybody badmouths the Post Office. Maybe some of that is justifed. Consider this, however: 6 days a week somebody comes to your house and brings you hard copy material, potentially from all over the world. If you live, say in San Diego and you give that somebody a letter with a 44 cent stamp on it addressed to a friend in Portland, Maine, chances are 3 days later someone else will come to his house and give it to him.We may sometimes experience poor service, but geez, it's an still an amazing endeavor...:P0
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I hope it doesn't get any slower as we still haven't received the last WTN in AUS.
Spencer.0 -
Let me understand: as things stand now, digitizing the WTN into PDF for e-mail delivery results in an overly huge file. Is there any other format out there for electronically delivering magazines with lower file size? Or is it "this, or nothing"?
I know our international members would love to be able to receive their magazines via e-mail, and we would probably get a lot more international members if we could offer it that way.
I also realize that it's easy for all of us to sit back and say, "hey, the Club ought to do this" when we ourselves know we won't have to expend the time doin' the digitizin' !!0 -
I use Adobe for a lot of manuals we create I can get a fully indexed searchable manual built that is around 14MB that is a 250 page manual. Its all on how you build it. There are newer formats such as Zinio that create beautiful full colour magazines under 20 MB that download inline in the viewer. Nice thing if we built a Zinio compliant WTN you could sell it as a subscription on their site. Might get a lot more views of the digital version. Something to look at. Plus it would look great on my iPad.0
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I love the current format of the WTN but realizing the percentage of the annual dues that the magazine eats up, I would welcome an online edition. Of course not everyone has a computer and some that do may still want their hard copy. I think dues would somewhat reflect cost to member in either format. Ultimately more dues dollars could be used for the promotion of Hudson, Essex and Terraplane related activities and events.0
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The news channels reported that the U.S. Post Office will shut down seven major processing centers and layoff about 70,000 employees. The Post Office has been running in the red for about 7 years. They can't keep up the our new internet services. It almost looks like it may go under, but I guess it will get a bailout like General Motors. What does it cost us to send an indivual WTN now days?
Thanks for the other information that was submitted. I still think that we should keep our options open for future mailing. Thank you for your impute.
Rich Smithen
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51hornetA wrote:I use Adobe for a lot of manuals we create I can get a fully indexed searchable manual built that is around 14MB that is a 250 page manual. Its all on how you build it. There are newer formats such as Zinio that create beautiful full colour magazines under 20 MB that download inline in the viewer. Nice thing if we built a Zinio compliant WTN you could sell it as a subscription on their site. Might get a lot more views of the digital version. Something to look at. Plus it would look great on my iPad.
If you expect your friendly editor to facilitate all this I'll be happy to serve on the search committee for a new one. :unsure:0 -
Send me a file or tell me where to pull one and i can look at the format for you and setup the process.0
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I get our Hudson AMC car club magazine the Hudson Hub here in Australia via email, I can either file it or print which ever I want, I like to print it so I then get it in full colour, our Hub is usually 20-22 pages in A4 size, the reason we are trying this option is the cost to post the magazine by Australia post has double in cost over the last couple of years, I know it is no where near the size of the WTN, and another thing I get it hot from the editors desk.0
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Depending upon how a .pdf file is initially made, it can be searchable. As an example, a Word or Publisher document that is converted to .pdf is fully searchable - You might want to look into the way the WTN is converted to .pdf, although the method by which the WTN is made/published has a lot to do with it...[/quote]
Yes, a .pdf file can be searchable. Most all of the documents I have in the online library are searchable. That said, the way I do it is time consuming, (scan with an OCR program, cut and paste to Netscape composer, format and correct, then paste into Serif PagePlus word processng doucment and finally save to .pdf) but I don't know any other way. It works for me.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
Kinda fun, watching all the techies salivating over how great it would be to have WTN "online". After Sam J's reply to my post on printer friendly threads (and Rick's gentle reminder to him of the varying skills of the proletariat), perhaps a little dose of reality is in order. . .
Looking back through the posts on here, and adjusting for repeat "hits" for multi-page threads, it appears that there are probably less than 300 folks who are "on" this site regularly. Maybe closer to 200. What is the membership of HET? Does anybody seriously think that folks who aren't "into" computers enough to be on this site, will somehow prefer to get their magazine by computer? Especially with the age of many of our members, I wonder how many would be shut out completely if we go that route? And with the magazine really the only ongoing benefit of membership, I can forsee a big dropoff if the magazine "goes away" for them.
And, IMHO, even fewer would want an on-line version of the magazine, because you have to take folks like me into account, who want to read a paper magazine in my easy chair, or possibly, while ensconced on the "China Pony". I sit in front of a computer all day- and don't wish to expand the "online experience" any more than I have to.
Ironically, the medium of the magazine may be a victim of its own success. The magazine has turned into art, with full color high quality pictures, slick pages, and great "production values". You could digitize stuff like "Skinned Knuckles" and most wouldn't care a whit- read it and print what you like; ditto the old WTN. But you could never recreat the artistic merit of the current WTN in a digital version.
Think I'll stick with the USPS, thank you very much. And if it goes away, there will be enough competion among UPS, FedEx, and several others that we won't see mail sevice cease to exist.
Somebody give me a hand in getting down off this soapbox- I've got a bad knee!0 -
Mike,
Well stated! I couldn't agree more.
John Forkner0 -
I second that Mike, Well Stated.
Online "everything" is a frequent discussion with the HET National Board. There are some well trained computer folks that still have not solved all the problems that need to be addressed before they can offer online products. There just are no simple answers.
Perhaps it is only those of us that are over fifty that continue to cling to the printed word and art element of the WTN. And, I am one of them.
By the way, there are 2,700 (give or take a few) members of the HET. So, about ten percent frequent this medium.0 -
Mike while you are right about the general membership you have to think about growth. What is our rate of growth vs our rate of attrition. My 73 year old father in law is now an avid iPad user he reads his books and I converted him over to digital subscriptions. In my view ease of use will bring in new users. If I could hook into Zinio lookup classic cars and choose WTN I might choose just to get the magazine on cars forget its also a membership. Might introduce a whole new audience to us. I also happen to know our very own Walt is a iPad guru at his age so I would not count out tech. Not if we want to grow.0
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Mike,
I really enjoyed reading your post because it really made me stop and think. And here's what I think.
I'm no techie but I would prefer to receive the WTN electronically. We have been receiving our local chapter newsletter electronically for over 5 years. No more binders full of old newsletters. If I could borrow a magic wand and make all those WTN's in the bookcase disappear and then reappear in my computer, I would do it in a "New York second".
Yes, most members will want a hard copy but some folks, especially our overseas members, might like to receive their WTN in a more timely manner.
How much is it costing the Club to send duplicate WTN's because the originals are getting lost en route?
How much would it cost to set up and send the WTN electronically?
So many questions........
What do you think? Let's hear it.
Mike, I will happy to help you get down off your soapbox(if my bad knee doesn't give out), if you will do the same for me!
Kevin C.0 -
51hornetA wrote:Mike while you are right about the general membership you have to think about growth. What is our rate of growth vs our rate of attrition. My 73 year old father in law is now an avid iPad user he reads his books and I converted him over to digital subscriptions. In my view ease of use will bring in new users. If I could hook into Zinio lookup classic cars and choose WTN I might choose just to get the magazine on cars forget its also a membership. Might introduce a whole new audience to us. I also happen to know our very own Walt is a iPad guru at his age so I would not count out tech. Not if we want to grow.
Let me make sure I understand, Sean...new members won't join the Club because they will get a magazine in the mail? Boy, it must be a REALLY bad magazine...sounds like you need a new editor for sure! :blink:0 -
Sam I am trying to figure out where I said that??? I think I stated new audience. I for one would be happy to receive the WTN digitally. Unless you are telling me the WTN is only valid as a paper publication??? But you would know better than I what the growth rate of the magazine is? maybe its rate of growth is within range of what you find acceptable.
Maybe I am lost here but I cannot see how offering foreign subscribers and those who would like to receive the magazine digitally the option or are you also stating that its either or. If you want it digitally the ones who want it in hard copy cannot get it. Now I am confused......0 -
I still prefer the magazine. One chapter I belong to has a choice of news letter or going screen. The print on my screen is so small, its very hard to see even with reading glasses and magnifying glass. I requested the news letter.
Could do like Hemmings. Get the print first then a month or so later get the screen through the HET club library.
That could be the beginning of the WTN archieves. The computer gurus could then begin adding all the past issues for references. Then you would have hours, weeks, months to soak up all of them on screen.
I have most WTN issues from Dec 1969 to present that I received from Elliot Myerson. There is a treasure of information on the growth of the HET club, WTN improvements, tech information ect ect... I have throughly enjoy reading them. I still have a little more than 3 years to go.
It would be good to see past issues on sreen. But maybe someone has already done this.
The screen is not the same as touching and turning the pages. Mybe its just a little more personal that way for me.
Even back then some were dissatisfied, but boy did they howl if they didn't get their WTN. Some things just never change.
Right now we have the greatest WTN ever. Because of all the past editors efforts to make improvements, it has become what we enjoy today.
To Sam, past editors, and all whom have worked so hard making the WTN better and better over the year, here is a great big;
THANK YOU, THANK YOU,THANK YOU
With out reading the past issues it is difficult to understand all the trials and difficulties they have gone through to bring it to todays great standard.
Thanks for a great WTN. I'm willing to wait another day or two to put my hands on another one if need be.
Have a great day
Lee O'Dell0 -
Computer may be fine for a lot of stuff, but it is not the same as lounging on the couch with a magazine or taking it to the "reading room"0
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Looking back at the posts here and I cannot see anywhere that says get rid of the magazine for those who want it hard copy. And I spend a lot of time in the reading room with my iPad :woohoo:0
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Very good discussion. Again I try and stay out of the discussions on here but since this one deals directly with the Club I thought I would weigh in. As Brownie pointed out, this has come up in BOD discussions in the past. As both the President and for now, the website coordinator, this is something that is on the forefront of moving the club forward. There are a number things that must be done before we can even start talking about delivering our magazine digitally.
First we have to assess what this does to membership costs. Would you still pay the same membership rate if you receive it online? What would happen to our cost of the magazine for those who still want it, if half our membership went online? Yes, the cost to the club goes down, but our printing of lesser number of magazines goes up. What would be the impact on other costs that the club has? Is the cost of producing it, justified if it is a digital file? Would members not see the value in the magazine if they got it digitally? Right now it is something glossy and nice to show prospective members. Would non-members desire to join the club if you gave them a copy of the WTN that you printed out on your black and white printer at home? There is some analysis to help us understand what decisions and when they should be made.
Second, what kind of technology do we need to employ? Do you send it out via e-mail where it could be potentially passed to numerous non-members and undercut membership numbers? Would it make membership in the club unnecessary if one person passed it around to multiple people instantly with e-mail? Remember that the club does a number of other things to advance the preservation of Hudsons and Hudson History. There is a cost to all of these things. Your membership goes to more than just the WTN. There is also cost to software, hardware, technology, development and maintenance of systems. The simple website plan we have, where we maintain the website, may not be sufficient for viewer software that could provide access to the magazine without loosing control of the content. If the cost of all of this required a membership cost half of the current membership costs, would you question why it was so much since it was "digital"?
Our current state of technology is that we have very little technology available to us. We are pursuing an online solution for a membership database that would allow us to deploy content to members, but this is slow work due to the lack of funds and software development talent in the club. As a 42 year old, techie/business information systems guy, I understand the need, the desire to advance the delivery of the club magazine in a format desired by the membership, but I lack the magic wand (they are expensive) to make this happen at this point. We also want to make sure that we understand the impacts to the club from a decision like this.
We will get there but there is much work to do and two few gerbils running on the wheel. Again I like the discussion, but there is a lot more to consider than just simply "sending it" out.0 -
Let me know what format Sam is building the WTN and I will provide you with an analysis of the mechanism to produce a DRM version of the WTN. That would include Digital rights locking. So sending it around in email would be of no benefit as you would not be able to open it. I was thinking more along the lines of client based version. Its downloaded inline in the client so stays locked there. I would be happy to do all the legwork on that. I do not need any funds I own a software company.
For me price is not an issue. I know I am supporting the club. What is an issue is waiting 6 weeks for the WTN when things screw up. I would not care if I received both. Hard copy and digital so you could keep your costs the same. I would prefer not to get it so you could donate my hard copy to someone else.0 -
in response to the comment about a "bailout" for the USPS,as one of the few agencies authorized by the Constitution, I believe the USPS will be here for awhile. having said that, i really like the paper copy, but i think eventually we will really need to go to the e-version because i believe costs for the paper version will become excessive. my two cents.0
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Very frustrating sitting here reading that all you guys have received and READ your WTN.
I pay first class mail, last issue it took over 4 weeks to arrive in my mail box,as yet I still Have not received the current issue, and here it is 8th December, If I'm lucky I may get an early christmas present, one can only hope.0 -
Lee ODell wrote:
I have most WTN issues from Dec 1969 to present that I received from Elliot Myerson. There is a treasure of information on the growth of the HET club, WTN improvements, tech information ect ect... I have throughly enjoy reading them. I still have a little more than 3 years to go.
It would be good to see past issues on sreen. But maybe someone has already done this.
Have a great day
Lee O'Dell
Lee, digitizing the back issues of the WTN is already in the works. I'm willing to do the job, tho it's going to take time. I'm waiting on a member with a lot of back issues - once he gets around to send them to me we will start scanning them. I know it's going to be a lot of work and I can only hope the end result comes out ok.
As of right now I'm not sure just where the scanned issues will wind up - maybe in the online library, or maybe in a file on the club web site somewhere. Aaron is working his tail off trying to set up the new site for the HET club - everything else is sort of on hold.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0
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