52 Wasp on ebay

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edited November -1 in HUDSON
I love the ethusiastic way this car is described. Looks like it might be a good deal. Of course we would need to pull up the carpet and get under the car and check the frame rails.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-LIKE-HORNET-22-PICTURES-52-HUDSON-PACEMAKER-WASP-RARE-H-127-TWIN-H-OPTIONS_W0QQitemZ4597889396QQcategoryZ6472QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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  • Unknown
    Unknown
    What is the "H-127" option????



    Thanx
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    The "H - 127 " was the wasp version of the " H - 145 " that was marked in the interior (on the front doors, under the vent wing) on the Hornets. The 127 stood for the advertised 127 HP of the Wasp's 262 engine, while the 145 stood for the advertised 145 HP of the Hornet.



    I am not sure if any difference was made to note twin h or not. I have only ever seen the 127 or the 145, and on my dad's 52 wasp, which is an early car, pre twin H introduction, (and single range hydro) it has the 127 badges. So I guess the wasp's got 127's and the hornets got 145's, regardless of twin h or not....



    As far as the Wasp on eBay, that one looks like it might be a good one to start with, but it seems to have a lot of rust peeking thru, the floors (around the gas pedal) looks thru.... I don't know... I would look at this one... close...
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Thanks for the replies. The eBay ad mentioned both "Twin-H Power" and "H-127" as if they were two different items.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Twin H and H-127 are two different items. You got H-127 standard, Twin H was an option. The H-127 badging was to designate the horsepower of the 262 engine. The Twin H was the optional dual carb setup. This would have to be a late model 52 to have it as a dealer ordered item. Since the trunk lid does not have the Twin H badge I would say someone put the dual carbs in themselves.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Twin H was available as a dealer installed option for all 52 model cars. When this induction system was being added to the car it came with the twin H badging only if the car's owner paid the unheard of sum of around $2.15 to add the badge. The actual give away the twin H on the subject Wasp was added by other than a dealer is the location of the vacume pump for the wipers. When the dealer installed the twin H on a short hood car (Wasp or Pacemaker) instuctions for manufacture of a bracket to move the vacume pump farther to the passenger side were part of the installation kit. The movement necessitated the modification of the wiper cables which was a part of that instuction set. The aircleaners and the intake manifold are of the early vintage and would be the same as those installed if a dealer was installing. See the metal mesh in the aircleaners (meant to be oiled vis a vis the paper element) The bolt on vacume balance tube is also 53 and earlier manifold.



    Some of you may have seen the 90 degree angle that Paul Shuster incorporated into the rear twin H aircleaner which is installed on his 50 Pacemaker. The modification allows the rear air cleaner to clear the vacume motor... therefore allowing it to remain in the stock postion with Twin H... if an mechanic had submitted that change in the 50s... Hudson would have given them and award and the mod would have appeared in a Hudson Mechandiser.



    Just some trivia about dealer options.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Interesting info Ken, thanks. I’m considering installing a Twin-H setup in a ’49 Super Six sedan. Will the vacuum wiper pump & cables require relocation for that application?

    I’m not sure if the ’49 is considered a “long or short hood car”, and the donor parts would be from a ’53 Hornet.



    Thanks
  • SuperDave
    SuperDave Senior Contributor
    It will fit with no modifucations. Just bolt it on. My 49 Super six has twin H. I also added a dual action fuel pump which makes the wipers work great in Overdrive at 65 in the rain.

    Dave w.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    SuperDave wrote:
    It will fit with no modifucations. Just bolt it on. My 49 Super six has twin H. I also added a dual action fuel pump which makes the wipers work great in Overdrive at 65 in the rain.

    Dave w.



    Thanks Dave, that’s good to know. I’ve decided to rebuild my matching number original 262 engine, but I like the “eye bling” of the Twin-H setup. That way if I decide to go back to “strictly stock” down the road I’ll just reinstall the original 2bbl setup.



    Now I just need to find all of the Twin-H pieces!



    Best,



    John
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Ken-



    One HET'er has told me that some dealers actually would install the rear air filter (on a Twin-H set-up with the shorter cars) at an angle to avoid hitting the vacuum pump. So that the front air cleaner would set parallel to the grill and the rear would be at a 15 or 20 degree angle. Ever seen or heard of this?



    Russell
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    SuperDave wrote:
    It will fit with no modifucations. Just bolt it on. My 49 Super six has twin H. I also added a dual action fuel pump which makes the wipers work great in Overdrive at 65 in the rain.

    Dave w.



    Not 100% on this...



    On my 50, and I think it is the same on a 48-49, I had to "flip" my passenger side horn to make everything clear. I simply mounted it upside down, for some reason it would clear that way, but not the other.



    I'm running the AMC fuel pump, and I have not hooked up wipers as of yet, but I got rain-x which works real well!



    Other than the horn, the swap works great. finding the pieces, especially the main linkage shaft that bolts to the engine, is the hardest. The intakes turn up, you can re-use your old exhaust manifold, unless it's cracked, then it will need help, the carbs turn up, find a matched set, aircleaners, while the price has really taken off, are fairly easy to come by, Bill Albright makes the new heat plates, Dale Cooper has the engine gaskets, Dave Kostensak and I think Russ Maas have the carb rebuld kits, Fuel lines can be made, and hopefully the intake you buy has the equallizer tube, for the one my dad gave me, we had to make the tube, since it was kinked. Other than the linkage, everthing else is easy. I would recommend buying a complete set-up, it took me some time to piece one together, and it was more costly than just buying one....
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Thanks hudsonkid, I agree that a complete setup would be the way to go. If anyone has a lead on one please let me know at:



    Packard8XXX@juno.com (remove the XXX)



    Best,



    John
  • SuperDave
    SuperDave Senior Contributor
    I just checked my 49 horn. No problem with clearance. The single carb exhaust manifold will work, but only has one heat tube for the chokes. Another will have to be added or change both chokes to electric. Most exhaust manifolds have worn out heat risers anyway. Now is the time to rebuild them to eliminate the rattles and exhaust leaks. Watch out for cracked intake and exhaust manifolds on the twin H setups. Most are not going to be able to be repaired for the long haul. They break at the point of most stress. Repairs are usually temporary at best. There was a cracked (broken) set on ebay recently. Junk..
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Thanks SuperDave, I saw the one on eBay.....looked like it had been recovered from 50 years in a swamp. It was listed twice recently...first time @ $466 then @ $233. Don't think it got one bid either time.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    The 52 service manual talks about how to drill the heat tubes for the chokes. I guess that when twin H became available, dealers were adding it ot a lot of non equipped cars.



    Cracking seems to be a big problem, if you find clean manifolds, consider yourself lucky nowadays.... who would have known?
  • 7XPacemaker
    7XPacemaker Senior Contributor
    Paul O'Malley out of Capon Bridge,WV has a Wasp that has the twin H set up that was ordered with the car. His rear air cleaner is set at an angle and there was a slightly different bracket that held the air cleaner to the head. On my Pacemaker, the reason the air cleaner won't go back any further is because the wiper motor is in the way. Nelson Creasy from central Pa. has a Pacemaker with twin H, and his line up evenly like the Hornets do. I spoke to him about this and he took some measurements from my car and compared his to see what the difference was. I can't remember what his answer was...maybe he had used the air cleaners off of a Jet? Were there differences in the sizes of the air cleaners between the Jets and the hornets? I can't remember what Nelson told me.....
  • hudsonguy
    hudsonguy Senior Contributor
    The Jet Twin H air cleaners are smaller than the Hornets, so that could be one possibility. Also, isn't the Pacemaker engine closer to the firewall, compared to the long wheelbase stepdowns? This could account for some of these differences.
  • russmaas
    russmaas Senior Contributor
    hudsonkid wrote:
    The 52 service manual talks about how to drill the heat tubes for the chokes. I guess that when twin H became available, dealers were adding it ot a lot of non equipped cars.



    Cracking seems to be a big problem, if you find clean manifolds, consider yourself lucky nowadays.... who would have known?



    Yes, all the 6 cylinder exhaust manifold can be made to fit twin h. If your car had a single choke, there is a blank on the bottom of the other exhaust outlet to drill a hole. The studs must be taken out of the single carb exhaust since they need to be taller to fit a twin H intake. We have cut out tubes out of junk manifolds and pressed them into the single exhaust to create a dual choke for twin H. The 48-50 exhaust manifolds do not have a "blank" for another tube but I see no reason why it cant be modified the same way.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    russmaas wrote:
    Yes, all the 6 cylinder exhaust manifold can be made to fit twin h. If your car had a single choke, there is a blank on the bottom of the other exhaust outlet to drill a hole. The studs must be taken out of the single carb exhaust since they need to be taller to fit a twin H intake. We have cut out tubes out of junk manifolds and pressed them into the single exhaust to create a dual choke for twin H. The 48-50 exhaust manifolds do not have a "blank" for another tube but I see no reason why it cant be modified the same way.



    We drilled my 50 exhaust manifold, made a heat tube, maybe Hudsondad can come on here and speakof his magic work...



    works well!



    seems every exhaust manifold we had was cracked, so that's why we used what was on the car.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    We drilled the '50 manifold thru the center of the port and installed a steel tube and flared the top and bottom. I think it was 1/4" OD. The carb heat tube fit in and both chokes operate in the same range. Most of the studs on the single carb exhaust manifolds we took apart broke even after heated. Had to drill out and clean up with a tap.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    hudsondad wrote:
    We drilled the '50 manifold thru the center of the port and installed a steel tube and flared the top and bottom. I think it was 1/4" OD. The carb heat tube fit in and both chokes operate in the same range. Most of the studs on the single carb exhaust manifolds we took apart broke even after heated. Had to drill out and clean up with a tap.



    I saved the easy part of drilling the broken bolts out for hudsondad...



    I think he liked doing it. :p
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