Before I Break Something...'37 Terraplane headlight lens removal
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The first trick is to place a pillow and a couple blankets under the lens, lest you fumble and drop it.
The second trick is to use a slotted screwdriver and remove the screw on the underside of the headlight shell. Actually, if it's the original-type screw, you may be able to loosen it until it drops down a bit -- there are two sets of threads on it, the bottom set of threads merely holds it in place after it's dropped down and released the lens.
The third trick is to press inward and downward on the bottom of the lens. If you have sufficiently loosened the screw, it should actually move inward. (If not, then simply remove the entire screw). Since the sides of the lens are actually narrower than the front rim, the top of the lens should move outward slightly -- or at least downward slightly, and a slight gap will open up.
At this point I take a thin piece of plastic -- you didn't really want that Visa card, did you? -- and poke it into the gap at the top of the glass and carefully work it sideways around the glass, gently forcing the glass out. This is tricky because if the glass doesn't want to come, you might break it. All the time you are pushing down and in at the bottom of the lens with your other hand. Your third hand is at the ready, to catch the lens if it pitches out.
Working gently, you should be able to ease the top of the lens outward enough to grab it with your fingers, then gently pull it out of the shell (sort of in an upward direction). Did I mention gentle? All three of your hands should now be fumbling around the perimeter of the lens trying to ease it out and trying not to drop it. The reflector will actually pivot forward at the top, following the glass partly out of the headlight shell.
Okay, it STILL may not come out. At this point I get mad and (after carefully loosening either end of the stainless edge trim around the opening of the shell) I "peel" the trim out and away from the edge of the metal, until it's off. This effectively makes the opening in the shell, larger. The glass invariably comes out. This is not recommended for it's hard to fit that edge trim back onto the edge of the opening. It may get bent during removal. Ask me if I care...
Once the lens is removed you can change the bulb. Push it inward and turn counter-clockwise to release. Also, take the opportunity to polish the silver reflector. I've heard people say they use Tarn-X (available at antique stores and the like), others like silver polish. But do NOT rub hard or you will take the silver off. Use a very soft polishing cloth and move outward from the center, not circularly. Don't touch the silver of course.
You might want to take the opportunity to remove the reflector and solder a ground wire to the socket itself, then feed the ground wire out of the headlight shell and through the radiator shell to the nearest place where you can screw it to the car's frame.
If the bottom reflector spring is badly rusted, you can get a repro from Duke Marley in N.C. (see the HET Roster).
If you're not in a rush, take the time to try to find a good strong headlight bulb and use that as a replacement. 32 candlepower was standard, but you can find 50-32 (hi-low beam) bulbs and even 50-50 if you look hard. Or replace with one of the new 6-volt quartz halogen bulbs sold by Little British Car Company (the Australian manufacturer of them actually sells them directly at Hershey every year).
Finally, check the condition of the gasket behind the perimeter of the lens, in the channel around the reflector. If bad, you can make your own. I went to a model train shop and bought the cork roadbed that they sell, and sliced it into thin strips. They fit right into the channel on the reflector and are nice and pliable.
Replace the lens carefully, reversing the removal process. Bottom is pushed in and down, then top is pushed backwards and down. Make sure you got the bottom side down; rotate lens to make sure it's straight, before tightening the screw at the bottom. The screw may not seat correctly in the bottom reflector spring so don't force it, try to rotate the lens to see if you can work the spring (behind the reflector) sideways slightly so the hole lines up with the screw. If you put a couple drops of oil on the screw and work it in and out (before replacing the lens) then you should be able to turn it by hand mostly, and not force it. Be sure to use all three hands to replace the glass, and keep those pillows and blankets handy.
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I'm using those 6 volt quartz halogen bulbs in my 28 Essex & recommend them highly!! Again be very careful not to touch the bulb with uncovered fingers!! Use glove or a rag.0
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very timely post! I am in the process of putting some together now and the bottom spring clips are toast!
The bottom screws are completely rusted off. What is the size and length of the bottom screws?0 -
@ John B, you rock mr.! Sounds like a joke I once heard, "how many mechanics does it take to change a lightbulb...?"
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This brings up another question does anyone make new lamp bases - holders for the 2331 bulbs?
That is an excellent tutorial! The 39 buckets are some what different then the 37, as the 37 doesn't have those springs and the bottom clip looks different, but the info is still similar enough to use on either one.
JonB, I looked up the Little British Car Company and will be ordering some Halogen bulbs. Also the ground wire is something that I have been thinking of doing, glad you brought it up.
Now- to get in contact with Duke Marley to get some bottom clips!0 -
Kdancy, I don't know the screw size but you can determine it by the threads that are in there already. For years I used a regular round head screw (it was at least an inch long) but later I miraculously found the original thing (which has a set of threads at top, then a non-threaded shaft, then a set at the bottom).
As to the sockets or bases: I discovered a couple of "new" possibilities and mentioned them in this AACA posting: http://forums.aaca.org/f120/source-1935-39-prefocus-headlight-sockets-322177.html I got no response to my inquiry, so can't tell you if either of these will work. I was unwilling to hazard the money to try them out. Maybe you can be the guinea pig!0 -
Be sure to wear a good pair of gloves and some sort of eye protection! I had a lense break on my '36T and that can be pretty exciting!0
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Duke had those clips made up some time ago and doesn't have anymore. I'm checking with a shop to see if they can make them up along with a few extra sets as I'm sure some one else will need them as well.
I'll order some of the screws from McMaster-carr.
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Wow, last time I spoke to him about the clips, he seemed to have a gazillion of 'em and no one was buying. How things change!
Back in the 70's I needed some so made one up out of some steel strapping I happened to find. Actually, it wasn't half bad but I was happy to find the real thing some years later. With the right tools -- punches, cutters, etc -- it would seem relatively easy to make up some. The whole concept (of how the lights go together) was pretty funky though. There has to be a better way to hold that lens in!0 -
I just got off the phone with the Autowire #500162 socket. It is for the # 2331 bulbs.
I called and left a message concerning the Cole-Hersee socket #27018 and am waiting a call or e-mail back with that application.0 -
Here is some more info from the LBCC ---
For the 2331 you could use either of these
35-38 2331 6v 35/35 APF CH APF Chrysler Pre-focus Generator 170-756HC
2531 6v 50/35 APF CH APF Chrysler Pre-focus Generator 170-758HC
I ordered a pair of the 2531's this morning and had my paint-body supply to order the Cowles Products 39-320 door edge chrome.
Also looked up the screw number in the 37 parts book to see if it matched the 38-9.
It gives a different # (BO 117943 headlamp lens locking screw) Page 69. So I wonder if the screws are the same for both years? I suspect so as the 37 has 10/32 thread size as well.0 -
Lenses are out a) lick your fingers for more traction/gripping power and b) use someone else's credit card!0
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The screws for 37 must be a different length as I tried some 7/8" long screws and they just started to touch the clip after they were screwed in all the way. I'm going to try some 1 1/4" tomorrow.0
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These guys make 6V & 12V halogen bulbs to suit many of the common bulb holders that have been used over the years.
http://www.classicandvintagebulbs.com/0 -
I purchased the 35-55 halogen bulbs. Here is a picture of one old style and one new halogen in the buckets-
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I used the same halogen bulbs as David in my 31 plug and play
very simple and a vast improvement
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I had been happy with my halogens until the moment (5 years ago) that I turned them on and both lamps blew out simultaneously! Upper and lower beams. I have no idea what happened, except that someone suggested it might have been a voltage surge, possibly caused by a faulty voltage regulator. I replaced the regulator and bought replacement halogen lamps but haven't had the guts to put them in yet. That's $50 in bulbs up in smoke instantaneously, if it happens again. Wish there was some sort of "voltage fuse" I could wire into the circuit, whenever I finally work up the courage to replace the halogen bulbs in my headlight sockets!0
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I installed grounds to both headlights, and extra one from battery to frame. Maybe that will help?
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Both of my headlight sockets have soldered ground wires that run back to the frame. I also have a dual headlight relay (bypassing miles of wire and corroded switches). Hid the relay behind the left dashboard panel, which I installed hinges on for easy access the relays (one for radio as well) and turn signal stuff.0
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Jon,
I had the same problem when I fitted Halogen globes to my '42, blew the lot, don't think I'll try them again too expensive, hate to blow all of them while out driving.Would be up the creek without a paddle so to speak.Could be very dangerous.
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Well of course you could carry spares of the old-style incandescents with you but still, that $50 still hurts. (At least you are in the same country as the guy who makes the halogens!)
Seems like there'd be some gizmo to splice into the wiring circuit to prevent such voltage surges. Someone suggested a "zener diode" but what do I know about that stuff? Somewhere else, it suggested that a faulty headlight relay (I have a dual one) could cause this problem but again, what do I know?0 -
I've been using Halogen bulbs for the last 6 or 7 years without any problems. I run relays on the dip beam & not on the high beam. Still running a 6 volt system altho I have changed to a mid 30's generator & voltage regulator on my 28 Essex. The improvement in lighting is so great that I'd be reluctant to return to the old system.0
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Here is a note back from the bulb manufacturer after reading this thread -
Kerry these are their thoughts on them.
Jeff
I think its a voltage surge issue. Fitting a relay will only make things worse as any surge will go straight to the bulbs rather than being absorbed via X feet of car wiring from battery through fuse box to H/L switch, to dip switch,and through the wiring and eventually the Bulb. A fuse wont help in any way other than to protect the cars wiring fron a short circuit in the bulb its self.. And thats an impossibility. That thread talks about a faulty regulator and a 3rd brush genny thats been wound moved to give more output ie 8-9volts 6v bulbs Halogen or Tungsten don't like these extra volts and will only withstand 6v.0 -
Interesting. Actually, I had contacted the manufacturer (Anthony Pearson, in Australia) at the time of my headlight blowout (2007) and he suggested voltage surge at that time. He makes an 8 volt lamp and suggested that this might be able to absorb a voltage surge (that a 6 volt bulb would not).
I wonder if it would help to run the power to the headlights directly from the battery, bypassing the voltage regulator? The battery might act as a buffer to smooth out any spikes. Of course the wire from the battery (neg terminal) would actually power my headlight relay, then (from there) go directly to the headlight bulb. Seems reasonable, but then I am no electrical engineer....0
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