Paint choice
Well my '54 Hornet coupe is in the paint booth and I've decided to go with a non-original combination that I've seen on other '54s (see picture), which I really like. I'm going with same coronation cream (on advice from painter, good on large slab-sided cars) but the roof and lower rear quarter "patch" will be bright blue. Any opinions?
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I think it will look great. Please post pics when you get her back.0
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I like that combination too. Like Russell said, send some pics our way.
Gene.0 -
Coupe in your picture is Steve Blakes - Super fine 54 Hornet Coupe0
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Dougson , you posted a picture of my car and call it a non original combination? You are grossly mistaken. My car is Green Gold over Coronation Cream with the optional Green Gold flare on the rear quarters. Many of these "flares" are done incorrectly. Mine are done just as factory did them. The "flare" treatment was a mid-season offering suggested by Hudson in memos to the dealers and distributors. Many were actually done incorrectly by dealers and aftermarket paint shops. I'm sure none of this matters to you since you plan to use a non original color anyway..............but your comment steps directly on my toes, and I resent it.0
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nice0
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Paint, and how and where you apply it is a very personal decision. However, I often wonder about the mind set that restores a car original and then selects to use other colors for the final project. Not that it matters, but I am encouraged that most restore to original or near original show room condition.0
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Well ArkieJazz I'm sorry if I "stepped on your toes. You could have smoothed it over a bit, now I'll have to tell everyone the owner of the car I used as my "model" was insulted.... I thought this was a supportive community. Well, once the car is done I'm moving on to a non-Hudson project, so I guess I won't be "stepping on anyone's toes" from now on.....0
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dougson,
We still have a very supportive group on this forum. Don't let one persons opinion drive you away. I would still like to see some pictures of your project.
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Dougson, you should have done your research before you proclaimed something to be "non-original" that you obviously know zero about. I'm tired of letting b.s. slide to the point that people start to accept it as factual. I grew up in these cars. The heritage and history of the company and the cars mean something to me. The older I get, the less tolerant I become.0
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ArkieJazz, in the first place I know a great deal about these cars because I built mine! Also, I take exception to your use of bold italics (an insult in itself), a moderator needs to clue you in. Finally, get a grip, these are cars!!0
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Gentlemen please!0
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What does it matter what color you paint your car, and that not original stuff is junk. If we all do our cars as original, we would not be able to drive them on todays highways. My 53 has air, rack and pinion steering, modern electronic ignition with a jacobs brain box, new style gear reduction starter, 12 volt with a 60 amp alternator, electric windshield wipers, ( try driving across the country with vacuum wipers in a blinding rain storm) C D player, and oil pressure and volt gauges, along with cruise control. Have driven 141,000 miles in 12 years with 11 trips coast to coast and never had a problem. Walt.0
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Walt I could not agree with you more! We each do our cars as we see fit. Original or otherwise. I am an original kind of guy but I hold no grudge against someone who isnt. It;s their investment and we all enjoy our cars owever we do them up. 0 -
Did they use lacker paint in the day? Does one need to use this to have it original? Too much work for me,and time,money. Car guys take real pride in the efforts they make and my hats is off to all you Hudon guys ,, you know your cars and it really helps out guys like me who are still learning . Today I learned again that they put really good steel in the 54 hudsons as I dulled every 1/2 drill bit I own, drilling out the carb linkage for 1/2 head bolts... Took about 2 hours for 6 holes,just from 7/16 to 1/2''..??? No matter as this will correct hopefully the mistake the hudson engineers made using too small of head bolts and not enought tork being put to the head bolts. As it is stated ,some changes need be done to keep it off the trailer?0
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The better steel you use the lighter you can make the car. Thats part of the reason the Stepdown is such a light car,
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Every one I talk to that knows even less about Hudsons than I, keeps telling me that this car must weigh a ton. Fact is it is only a few hundred pounds heavier than a stock car racer and if one started to strip it down it would be just right. Watching old 50tys stock car races did notice that alot of cars were losing their wheels ,guessing that they had not started to use bigger studs??? I would love to set up a coupe and hot lap it to see what kind of times it could bring in,but too much money to be swaping paint in a real race? As far as I see it the hudson of the early fiffty's is a mile stone car that has not gotten it's dues because it went belly up in 54. I have a parts 54, 4 door and would trade it for a coupe to do this.??? Any one interested in seeing a racer?0
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Anothe rquestion????did hudson make the rear track less than the front for handling or so that the rear wheels could be taken out of the wheel wells. Not much imformation on the designing of these cars out there/ been trying to get my head around this, if this would make the car handle better?0
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Im sure it was to do with handling or driveability .There are a lot of vehicles like that if you pay attettion,
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I use bold Italics so I can read what I write. If that bothers you, turn the page, you aren't going to pay attention anyway. I could care less what you do to your own car, but you happened to use MY car as a visual with incorrect information and that gives me a rash. Walt and the others can bastardize their cars all they want. I prefer a real Hudson. I believe that's my right. Possibly a moodorator should clue you in as to using someone else's photos without permission.0
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Hudson Automobile designer Frank Spring was known to be very mindful of the European automobile design. An oral history located at this URL autolife.umd.umich.edu/Design/Andrews_interview.htm takes the reader though activities of the Hudson Motor Company in the years prior and during the design of the Stepdown Hudsons. When making companions to other vehicles you will note that the Tatra and Citroen both contain the rear wheel track inside the front wheel track. This design allows for a more stable platform and the low stance of the Stepdown coupled with an inset rear track is very stable. On the issue of Hudson losing wheels during NASCAR races, the tracks were unimproved and the turns were ruts that each car attempted to push around. The wheels themselves were not meant for the lateral forces encountered and pulled apart or worse the wheel lugs were pulled through the wheels. Later Severe Usage wheels were produced which were made up of a heavier hub section and with more welds to hold it to the outside piece.0
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Jaguar was another marque that had a narrower rear track. In Hudson's case it was the wrap-around outside frame that also made a narrower track necessary. As far as other comments on this thread, I think we should all exercise a little grace and forgiveness.0
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Guys, in this hobby where more and more Hudsons are becoming parts cars for hot rodders and the stepdowns becoming Mercury-clone customs, if a number of people like Arkie don't stand up for originality and authenticity then you can continue kissing the history of Hudson Motor Cars good bye.
I first joined HET in 1965 and to this day will NEVER understand how a car club dedicated to a single marque can totally ignore judging and the creation of authenticity manuals for the cars. The old argument posed at the founding of the club in 1959 was that judging leads to arguments that would void the family atmosphere. And here we are 53 years later fighting without judging. How's that "no judging" thing workin' out for ya? Oh, by the way I quit HET back in the '80s because of all the political fighting that was going on and the atttitude that crushed velour upholstery looked great in a restoration.
Arkie deserves to voice his comments because his car was referenced. If you consider that a "foul" then it is the second foul. The first was by Dougson calling Arkie's incredilby perfect car incorrect. To all of you out there "judging" Arkie, please CALL THE FIRST FOUL.0 -
My car by being bring driven has brought in a few new members. Those that have Original cars are stuck in a garage cause they can't drive them, might get a hand print on them. Judging has ruined many clubs, my car is better than yours, the is why Hudson is the only club world wide, no judging. Think about it. We drive our cars, not hide them. Walt.0
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I agree with Walt on this one.
To keep the Hudson legend alive the public, especially the young ones, need to see and feel the cars.
The cars need to be driven and used and shown to people who ask questions.
I still have people in their 50's come up to me and talk about the ones I owned and drove in the 60's and 70's. Some were allowed to drive around in them (as teenagers) and they still remember.
These cars were what you would call "driver's" today. it didn't matter if they got mussed up a little by a gang of kids going to get ice cream at the drive in. Lol.
Like Walt stated, update some things to keep them safe and reliable on a long run and roll em' down the road.
There is nothing wrong with having a pristine Hudson locked away and seldom used. Everybody's different. You own the car and you use it the way you want to. That's fine by me.
Some day we all will be gone, the cars will still be there and someone else will be driving them. Some will be modified and some will stay the way we kept them.
As long as the Hudson's are still blowing past other cars on the open road and people are saying "what was that"?
I personally, will be happy.0 -
Not to continue this tedious discourse but Arkiejazz's car is all over the internet. The picture used is actually from an article, which I've seen, and I see no copyright claim by Arkiejazz, I guess I technically violated the magazine's copyright. Anyway pictures of other people's cars are posted on the this website all the time and I doubt permission was sought. Anyway the argument about judging, not judging, originality, non original gets into personal choices; personally I like the HET's stance on this and the size and success of the club is a testiment to this tradition. I also own a '56 Corvette, which I built from scratch, and it is a reproduction '56 SR. I get all kinds of input about this car both pro and con. Corvette people are very much into originality and act like Arkiejazz when they feel they've been infringed upon. This is why many Corvette clubs dissolve... I belong to the Solid Axle Club, the only permanent national C1 club that I am aware of and it survives because most its members own "driver" cars, not museum pieces. That does mean the cars are dogs, far from it, it means that they accept the original, non-original, and even highly modified, and don't throw fits when something disturbs their sense of originality. My Hudson will be done as I see fit and when completely done will be fully scripted as a Grand National tribute car. Oh my! But it wasn't a 'real race car'. I should be shot........0
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Meanwhile, the Studebaker Driver's Club has NINE THOUSAND members, thousands of reproduction parts and a million dollars in the bank. Last I heard there were talks between Het and the Kaiser-Fraser Club to merge for survival.
I can NOT understand pride in Hudson Motor Car Co. that claims driving them into the ground, and you know many members do just that, with modifications and not, is promoting history.
I'm here because I own a Terraplane. I'm NOT here because I am an Het member because I am NOT. And some if not MOST of the best Hudsons still existing are in the collections of NON-members because you all do not appreciate authenticity and continue to refuse to judge and because you fight amongst yourselves.0 -
Okay, I think everyone has had their say and made their point. This discussion started out as a discussion on paint and now it's headed off the tracks. It just takes one or two guys to brew up a tempest in a teapot; everyone else here have been making positive replies.
And by the way, most of us in the Forum -- Club members and non -- do not, in fact, fight amongst ourselves. I think most of us are actually rather civilized. And as one of the Forum moderators I intend to keep things that way. So please, folks, let's keep things agreeable here.0
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