1954 Hudson Hornet Special Sport coupe
Browniepetersen
Senior Contributor
Played with the new project all day today. Got most of the old dirt off, or the first coat anyway, and spent some time cleaning out the trunk. The trunk was filled with 1940 Ford parts--just my luck, there must be a 40 ford somewhere with Hudson parts in it.
I have decided that the original color was white. I know that Wayne Graefen owned the car before George did and he mentioned that it had an Earl Schibe paint job on it. Wayne raced the car when he had it and had engine and tranny work completed by Ike Smith. The traction bars and exhaust cut out is still in place.
What I need now is some SN information. I found the SN on the door and it reads 8341102 Model D. I have a registration that was in the glove box that has number 7270221 and has a body type of CLCPHS6D. I am thinking that the registration paper is not for the car that I have? Anyone that can help with this?
I have decided that the original color was white. I know that Wayne Graefen owned the car before George did and he mentioned that it had an Earl Schibe paint job on it. Wayne raced the car when he had it and had engine and tranny work completed by Ike Smith. The traction bars and exhaust cut out is still in place.
What I need now is some SN information. I found the SN on the door and it reads 8341102 Model D. I have a registration that was in the glove box that has number 7270221 and has a body type of CLCPHS6D. I am thinking that the registration paper is not for the car that I have? Anyone that can help with this?
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CLCPHSP6D = Club Coupe Hornet Special 6D, 6D being Hudsons designation for the Hornet Special. Suggest that the 7270221 is a California assigned number for the registration. Some one like Pete B or Californian who posts here might have a clue. Alex Burr would be the SN group fella.0
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Pictures! Pictures! Pictures!
As for the 54, did they still stamp the color code on the passenger side top hinge opposite the A-pillar? Or did they stop doing that after Hudson merged with Nash?
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It's possible George switched registration #s when he replace the original engine which would be the same as the chassis # on the door post. In Calif. the original VIN # would be on the pink slip & registration however George had a lot of '54s & may have switched them around. Also I remember guys who had multiple Hudsons, as most of us did, and would only have 1 registered & use but one set of plates, at least for the same body styles, as if stopped cops would see it's just a Hudson sedan or whatever & wouldn't do a closer look, LOL.
Like Commodore I'd think the '54 would have the paint code on the VIN plate too as Hudson didn't offer a white '54 (had a pale cream as I recall but usually seen as part of a 2-tone combo as on a Hollywood).0 -
Hi Brownie
Please take another look at the serial #. I read 6311023. At first glance I thought the 6 was 8. 6D is series Hornet Special 6: (Club Sedan, /Club Coupe, Sedan and Hollywood Hardtop). The D designed 1954 Hudsons. There are only 6 numbers for all 1954 Hudson serial numbers. The serial number 311023 is in the serial number sequence according to Alex Burrs Gereral Information Handbook. His book would list it as 6D-311023.
Serial numbers for 1954 Hudsons are: from 269060 Aug 1953 thru 319720 Oct 1954. I do not see a 341102 within that group.
Manufacture month for 311023 is August 1954.
I realize the 6 will have to be part of the serial number for registration purpose because that is the way the number is stamped on the tag.
As for registration 7270221, that is for a 1954 Hudson Hornet Sedan. Which would not be for any of the estate cars that were and/or now still on the property for sale.
I hope this will be helpful.
Let me know if I read the tag incorrectly.
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S/N 7270221- that fits into the 1954 numbers as a Model 7(D) - Hornet manufactured in August 1953 (270221). If I'm thinking right (at 6am) I don't think Hudson stamped the model letter (A, B, C or D), but only the model number, followed by a space and then the serial number.
Of course this is tossed into a cocked hat by the CLCPHS6D. if OldFarmer is correct, and he probably is.
The only thing I can conclude, like others in this post, is that you have a registration slip in the glove box is for an entirely different car.
That leaves the question of what the door number is. 8341102 doesn't fit into the Hudson serial number lists I have - there was no model 8 after 1952 and 341102 is way above the last Hudson serial numbers (316251-319720) for 1954 models.
From 1950 thru the end of production in 1954 serial numbers are sequential - starting with 101 in 1950 and ending with 319720 (as mentioned above) in 1954 (Oct.)
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
I have decided that the original color was white. I know that Wayne Graefen owned the car before George did and he mentioned that it had an Earl Schibe paint job on it.
Original color would not have been white unless it was repainted by the dealer. Hudson did not have a factory "white". Possibly Coronation Cream or St. Clair Gray?0 -
Lee, you are correct. The SN is located on a Hudson Plate on the passenger door jam. And, when I looked at it today I can see that I misread the "8" and I can now see it as a "6". As for the 3 on the end, it took a little graphite to make the number show up. It is as you report Lee, it is a "3" so your number being the correct one. There were five registration slips in the glove box, one being for a 40 Ford that was last registered in 1979 and George never put the tags on the car. I am going with the Coronation Cream-there are just two many spots on the car in that color that would not have made it into a repaint. Were torsion bars stock on these Hudsons? Oh, by the way, the SN plate is in perfect condition and it is very clear that Hudson did not stamp any identification in the area of paint or trim. Guess we will never know. I am now thinking Lipstick Red...0
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Brownie - the H Specials I believe only came out towards the end of the '54 model run if I am correct. As I recall they also two-toned some cars, I esp. recall seeing Hollywoods, with 2 tones such as a lipstick red top & cream bottom.
The dealership where I worked on several occasions got the new buyers to pop for putting the lipstick into that lower rear fender area bracketed by the stainless moldings - was really slick looking!
I also believe that late in the year made a two-toned naughyde interior in red & white avail., had one in a 2-door Jet Liner + saw them in Hornets + a very attractive fabric with little white "stars" in it.0 -
They did indeed have two tone red and white interior in the Holywood. I had one come thru my shop a few years ago. It is still living about 25 miles north of me fully restored by the new owner,
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Brownie, My Special, ser # 6298235 was built in early April, probably in the 1'st week as per Alex's records. Also, the paint code is missing on the VIN plate, never stamped. Bruce0
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WHEW! You had me going there for awhile Brownie. Of the 25 cars for sale there, your tag was the most difficult to read.
It took almost as much time to determine what the numbers were as it took to move your car out. Just kidding. I was a Sherlock Holmes with magnifying glass and powerful flashlight shinning on the numbers from different directions to finally get it. As Brownie mentioned, the last number was almost invisible.
I didn't see any stamped color code either. Lip Stick Red will look good on your car. I will be looking forward to seeing the car restored and your final color choice.
It was fun watching you with your new car. It was like watching a kid in a candy store who got his choice of candy. We had a good time.
Lee O'Dell
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Having had a couple 54's.. The paint code was in ink on the vin plate , not embossed,and was easily "wiped off".0
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Why don't you just ask Wayne Graefen what color it was? He frequents this forum0
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Wayne has been a trove of valuable information and sent me a photo of the car taken just after he had Earl paint it. Here is a photo from 1966 soon after it was painted.0
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Hi Brownie, my '54 Hudson Club Coupe was original red top and a cream color below the drip rail (above the windows) , the Vin Number : 7291820 and body Number is CLCPHT7D. the numbers came off of the reg. slips. oldest dated 1965. The Coupe is at vintage coach with Jason and Val getting it ready to be back on the road .
VicTor Z0 -
Hmmmmmm - in 40+ years that's the first time I've seen a body number!!!!!!!
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
CA registtrations are the source of these body numbers. The result is a series of letters and numbers derived from Hudson's name for the vehicle being registered. So Victor's Club Coupe, a Hudson Hornet 7D becomes CLCPHT7D.0
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Victor, That is cool. I did not know you had one. Is your 54 the early production or the later production "Special?" If your car is the early 54 then I would expect that my body number would be CLCPHST7D?0
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Not sure if this will be usable, a 54 Hudson Paint chart is attached.0
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Thank you for a copy of the chart. The problem you run into is that the base pigments that are used to make the paint are no longer available. Twenty years back I took a color to a local paint shop that still had the original pigment mixes and he told me it was against the law to mix up any of the colors because of the lead that was used in the pigment. That method is no longer available. Today, all the paints that I used twenty years ago have changed. Today you take a chip to the paint store and look for a match you like. Factory packs are no longer available. If someone had original paint on their car we could do a computer match (about 90% match at best). I took the suggestion from the Forum to try the 1970 Thunderbird color. I bought a small amount and plan to paint a wheel to see what I think. I will most likely do that today. I'll post a photo when it is done.0
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There are several establishments who still have the old codes and can provide you with near 100% matches.0
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contact Hibernia Restorations in N. J. They have Hudson paint forumulas back into the '20s, once provided me with the correct color & in nitrocelulose which is what late model Hudsons were painted with.0
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Surely you all are familiar with the hobby resource http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/ Find the factory color in their charts. Order the paint. Done. Or your local supplier can do something similar.
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Checked out autocolor and they do not show a chip for the Lipstick. However, they do quote me a price based on the data sheet.0
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Lipstick and Green-Gold were spring colors and are not on most color chip sets.0
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I ordered a pint today. I will do some color tests and comparisons.0
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