1950 Pacemaker vs. Pacemaker Deluxe

cpr3333
cpr3333 Expert Adviser
edited January 2013 in HUDSON
I think I may have found another difference but I'm not sure...

I was looking at the seats in my parts car (non-deluxe) and noticed that the back of the front seat has a green vinyl insert. The deluxe has the same insert but is the same color vinyl as the rest of the seatback.

At first, I was thinking that maybe it was just a case of Hudson running out of the green vinyl (it is a late serial number) but now I'm wondering if it was part of the deluxe package. My thinking is that they replaced the green vinyl in the door inserts so maybe they just eliminated it from the seat back as well.

Any thoughts?

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  • cpr3333
    cpr3333 Expert Adviser
    Tim,

    I'll try to clarify...

    The area of green vinyl on the door I'm referring to on the 'regular' Pacemaker is the same area on the doors where the Duluxe has the fabric matching the seats. As you mentioned, the other difference in this area was the armrests on the deluxe vs. a strap on the 'regular'.

    The green vinyl on the back of my 'regular' seats covers most of the back seat, with a 9 to 12 inch strip of the gray vinyl as an outline running up the sides and across the top.

    Both of my cars are Broughams and neither has a robe rail. Maybe due to the split seat? My Deluxe has two ash trays on the seat back where the 'regular' doesn't have any. (Another difference?)

    I'm not sure what you mean about the turquoise spots in the upholstery - I thought it was just striped.

    Last question - is that a Pacemaker steering wheel? The ivory wheel looks the same as mine but I just have a simple horn button with no ring.
  • cpr3333
    cpr3333 Expert Adviser
    That fabric looks the same as the fabric in both of my cars. I have one pull strap with what looks like little diamonds of turquoise and I think the windlace that went around the doors had the same design.

    Attached below is a picture of the seatback from my plain Pacemaker showing the two different vinyls. I'm guessing it's original. I should have just done that in the first place. It does look like it used to have ash trays - you can kind of see the holes and outline in the picture.

    Here's a link to a page of a Hudson brochure showing the door panels on a plain Pacemaker with the green insert:

    http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Hudson/1950_Hudson/1950_Hudson_Brochure/1950 Hudson Brochure-14.html

    On the steering wheel, I have the same wheel on my deluxe, but the horn button is much plainer and there is no horn ring. I'm pretty sure it's original. My plain Pacemaker has the two spoke steering wheel you described.
  • Remember just because your car seemed to have come with a particular wheel does'nt mean the dealer did'nt swap it out to make a sale.
    Roger
  • Browniepetersen
    Browniepetersen Senior Contributor
    My 54 has the interior of a 50 Hudson. I am told that it was a drag racing thing?
  • Tallent R makes a very good point. I remember a 51 Pacemaker that came from the dealer new with almost full 51 Hornet exterior trim. The guy wanted the short wheel base car and part of the deal was Hornet trim except for the hood orniment and tail lights. In later years I know a old guy that bought the high end car but didnt like the sport wheels. He said that if he was going to pay that much for a car it had to have whitewall tires. The dealer took the sport wheels off a cheaper car that had steel rims and hub caps and put it on the high end car and the sport wheels on the cheaper model and everyone was happy. I could go on but you get the point. To really know the difference you have to go to the factory specs.
  • cpr3333
    cpr3333 Expert Adviser
    edited January 2013
    OK, let's reset here...

    I noticed a difference between the seat backs on my Pacemaker parts car and my Pacemaker Deluxe that is being restored. As I said in my first post, my original thought was that it was another case of Hudson just making an on-the-go change but then I wondered if it was an intentional difference. I figured that maybe they replaced the green vinyl on the seat backs since they had replaced it on the doors with fabric.

    All of this is basically just curiosity on my part because I like to know things like this about cars. The things that make a 50A 'deluxe' especially intigue me because it is such a minor set of changes and yet a whole new serial number series was assigned.

    1951hornethardtop - you suggested going to the factory specs for an answer. Do you know where I can find them for a 1950 Pacemaker Deluxe?

    Tim - I do have the ashtrays for my Deluxe and probably have the ones from the parts car somewhere. My dad stripped the parts car years ago and I have boxes and boxes of parts from it. If I remember correctly, the ash trays have the same pattern on them as the dash. On the steering wheel, my dad bought the car from his uncle back in the mid fifties and he tells me that he never messed with it so I always assumed it was 'correct'. I've attached a picture. The steering wheel is very rough but I do have another that's in pretty good shape. The picture also shows the aftermarket turn signal module that my dad installed shortly after he got the car.

    Long story short - does anyone KNOW everything that makes a 50A deluxe? Is it documented anywhere from 1950? If not, I guess we get to keep having these fun discussions.

    Here's the list I have:

    Armrests replacing straps and seat fabric replacing green vinyl on doors
    Chrome front door window divider (what did the standard have?)
    Dual 'stubby' horns replacing a single long horn
    Three spoke ivory steering wheel (and maybe upgraded horn button/ring) replacing 2 spoke (my 2 spoke is green - were they all?)
    Robe rail on 4 door cars

    Anything else? Can I add different seat backs?
  • faustmb
    faustmb Senior Contributor
    I have seen the Deluxe with the center roof antennae as well, but I'm not sure if that s a deluxe option or a radio option. My standard Pacemaker was ordered with zero options.
  • cpr3333, Im sorry I wouldnt know where to go. I assumed someone in the club would know. Unfortinitly The dealer i knew that used to sell them died last year at 93 years of age. This would make a good project for someone to research. Good luck
  • 53jetman
    53jetman Senior Contributor
    I have attached a three page "Car Distribution Dept. Bulletin" #DL 50-14 issued by the Hudson Sales Dept. describing the availability of the model 50A, Pacemaker DeLuxe, pricing, options, and the actual differences between a Model 500 Pacemaker and the Model 50A Pacemaker DeLuxe. I hope this will help to put this matter to rest;. Please note, the three spoke steering wheel with the large hub and horn ring (Commodore Wheel) was an option on most of the cars built by Hudson in 1950.
  • faustmb
    faustmb Senior Contributor
    The ridge rear bumper was later, 51 I think. I have two that were stripped off parts cars, my 50 has the original smooth bumper.
  • 53jetman
    53jetman Senior Contributor
    @DocHuber - Outside window opening trim (reveal moldings) were standard on all step-down Hudsons. The difference on the DeLuxe was the chrome frame of the front door wing assy, and if the car was a sedan most had the chrome opening rear quarter window assy also. Headliners were the same on both 500 and 50A. The DeLuxe had the three spoke steering wheel with just a horn button. But as the above bulletin states, you could order the larger "Commodore" steering wheel.
    As far as I can remember, we used the same radio in all cars, and by the way we installed the center roof mounted antena on all units. The bumper with the ridge didn't come along until late 1952. I think they went to a lighter gauge metal and added the ridge for strength.
  • As I recall headliners were all mohair in any Hudson except the Hollywood .Its liner being vinyl and in 54 it could be had in other Hudsons too. I have a 54 Hornet with one in it. Also you could have a leather headliner if you ordered it . There is one here localy with one and was that way from new,
    Roger
  • 53jetman
    53jetman Senior Contributor
    Roger - As I recall, you could order leather interior in any Hudson, though it was not the same design. Each series had a specific leather trim design and color availability. I was not aware that one could order only the leather headliner, that just doesn't sound right to me. Cars with the leather option would have had a leather headliner, but I cannot find in any of the bulletins I have on file where just the headliner option could be ordered.
  • I guess I should have elaborated more . That car with the leather headliner is a full leather interior. Sorry about that
    Roger
  • cpr3333
    cpr3333 Expert Adviser
    Thanks for the info. I knew someone would have the answer.
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