best hudson bible
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You're under the impression that one book contains this all???0
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well maybe wishful thinking,but which book (or books) do you use?0
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georgieboy,
The best stuff available can be bought from the HET Club Store. These are as complete and illustrated as any I've seen. Hudson wasn't known for their highly detailed instructions as you describe, but between these factory manual reprints, and the many Hudson experts available (many on this forum) you can pretty much figure everything out.
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thank you,very much0
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My number one book is the shop manual for my car. As noted, the Club Store offers reprints for a number of years, or you can check Ebay or one of those on-line antique auto book places (like autolit.com ). The next most important book is the parts book for my year of Hudson. I'm not sure what the Club Store handles in parts books; for some years, you may have to search for the original. After that, I'd say Alex Burr's Hudson Handbook (available on CD) gives me a good overview on tech. specs for all years of Hudson, so I can help others as well as learn a lot.
Finally, there are Hudson 'picture books' such as 'The History of Hudson' by Don Butler, the 'AMC Album', and "The Cars That Hudson Built" by John Conde. These are all (I think) out of print but you can spot them in used book sales or at places like Amazon.com or Alibris.com . These are great fun for identifying all years of Hudsons, but not so important as a shop manual!0 -
outta sight,so these "bibles"do exist.thanks0
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I agree with everyone who posted so far the factory shop manuals are your best bet but in some cases they lack really god pictures of certain parts of the car and so you would probably also want a "group Parts catalog" and the glovebox owners manual. Between those 3 things you'll probably be able to figure out whatever you need to fix. Some guys also like to have copies of old "Motors" manuals but they are a little more universal. Then certain parts like Overdrive tranny's had a extra supplemental manual. But when you're really stuck........pick the brains of people on this forum.0
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Big help is the Service Merchandizers from 49-54 and the Hudson Service Magazine from the mid 30's to 40's these contain factory updates to procedures and many useful articles on fixing Hudsons. Alex Burr supplies these on CD and they are a must have in my opinion. As an example the factory manual may say torque your head bolts 65-70Ibs and the Service Merchandizer will tell you that the factory had lots of complaints about head gasket failures so torque the head bolts 75-80Ibs if you only have the manual you miss this fact. There are tons of updates like this in these magazines.0
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51hornetA wrote:Big help is the Service Merchandizers from 49-54 and the Hudson Service Magazine from the mid 30's to 40's these contain factory updates to procedures and many useful articles on fixing Hudsons. Alex Burr supplies these on CD and they are a must have in my opinion. As an example the factory manual may say torque your head bolts 65-70Ibs and the Service Merchandizer will tell you that the factory had lots of complaints about head gasket failures so torque the head bolts 75-80Ibs if you only have the manual you miss this fact. There are tons of updates like this in these magazines.
Maybe we (the HET Club members) should update/write the "Hudson bible" for the 21st century. As an example for stepdown owners, start with the 48-52 mechanical procedures manual, break it down according to the various mechanical systems, ask for volunteers to add, modify, annotate as needed. These volunteers should be "hands-on" experts. Then the most important part would be to key in good digital images showing details for key procedures. I suspect that most of us have huge libraries of JPGs, GIFs, PDFs, and the like that we have assembled over the years or created during our own restoration efforts. All this stuff could be the basis of a modern update to the Hudson Motor Car literature. The whole document could be digital and burned to CD for distribution. Also, there are many specialty publishers out there that could handle a short press run for the club. This document also could be worked into the club web site. Take a look at the Chrysler Imperial Club (imperialclub.com) as an example.0 -
Art: you volunteering to lead this effort? (LOL!)0
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One problem I've noted with the store's '48-'52 shop manual reprint, which was originally a Clifford-produced volume, is that it's based heavily on the '52 and later manual, thus leaving out some info where the earlier cars differed. We really do need to assemble a manual that would give good coverage of the complete stepdown era cars.0
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I think to accomplish this task we need to have the Hudson Factory manuals scanned and digitized so we could then merge the updates into them. This way you can see the original info and the new information.
This would be a big job, I can help out as I am almost constantly scanning stuff to pass on. I talk to Alex Burr and he has done a huge amount of scanning and documenting Hudson information as well and many Kudo's should be thrown his way for the work he has done. It takes an amazing amount of time to scan this stuff. I got some Hudson factory docs that I hunted down and they were 160 pagers and my buddy comes over and says hey can you scan those and give me a copy. I laughed I have many docs ahead of those I told him to check back in six months because thats how long it would take for me to reach the new stuff. I rough calculate I have about two years of scanning ahead of me to get all this stuff done. Its a lot of money to buy the originals plus a lot of time to scan it but its worth it when you consider if we don't do it this stuff will be lost to the Hudson community.
Now after that long winded crap, I can say I can help out. I have been putting stuff on my website as I get them done. Starting with the obscure stuff and moving on to the stuff that I think is cool and must have. I even have factory blueprints that Hudson used to send out to the dealers showing them how to build a hudson dealership. Stuff like this I like as I plan to resurrect the Hudson brand as soon as my Lotto numbers hit then I will need everyones help rebuilding the dealer chain. I will hire Chip Foose as my head designer after that we should be gold.0 -
The heroic efforts by 51hornetA and Alex Burr certainly capture the spirit of "postwar optimism" that led to the design and creation of our favorite cars! I, too, feel that we must capture as much of the written word as possible as the few remaining copies of Hudson historical documents soon will fade with time. More critical perhaps is the knowledge and skills held in the minds and hands of those who helped build and maintain these fine automobiles. Assuming that the basic details can be captured from existing manuals by scanning and word processing and then reformatted to accept new illustrations, what would be key, IMHO, would be to include "pearls-of-wisdom" from the experts. Things to watch out for, where not to put your fingers, or maybe shortcuts or homemade tools and devices that may not be obvious to those of us that like old cars and really need to do all this stuff (a higher calling??) but have no formal training or accumulated life experience. Anyway, I've gone on too long but think that part of the solution to the enormous problem of preserving the "book of Hudson" is to share in the burden of reformatting the old literature by helping to scan or re-type as needed or perhaps sharing rare materials that are treasured but needed to advance our collective mission.0
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wel i'm glad to have opened this can o worms.guys like me have more questions than answers and you guys are the ones to look to.i hope you guys do pool your knowledge it would be nice to have a hudson service manual that covers everything.thanks and good luck0
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I have been looking at this one on ebay for awhile for my 49 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8013184781&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT0
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also have other sorry for not puttng that in earlier
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We were talking on this forum in the past about comprehensive restoration manuals but it never got off the ground. If somehow we could got system by system on the cars and scan in all the original historic literature and then in addition add to it what HET guys in the field have done during restorations and repairs that would make a "bible" as geogieboy describes. Ken Kates and Dave Sollons web pages are steps in the direction electroniclly.0
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I'm looking for a '31 Hudson service manual. Maybe one is using your valuable shelf space!?
Have a nice day
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This page seems to have a lot of great tips for Hudson Stepdown owners.
It's not a physical book (unless you print it all out :-) ), but data is data.
http://members.aol.com/stepdown53/STEPDOWNRESTORATIONAIDS.html
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ArtS wrote:Maybe we (the HET Club members) should update/write the "Hudson bible" for the 21st century. As an example for stepdown owners, start with the 48-52 mechanical procedures manual, break it down according to the various mechanical systems, ask for volunteers to add, modify, annotate as needed. These volunteers should be "hands-on" experts. Then the most important part would be to key in good digital images showing details for key procedures. I suspect that most of us have huge libraries of JPGs, GIFs, PDFs, and the like that we have assembled over the years or created during our own restoration efforts. All this stuff could be the basis of a modern update to the Hudson Motor Car literature. The whole document could be digital and burned to CD for distribution. Also, there are many specialty publishers out there that could handle a short press run for the club. This document also could be worked into the club web site. Take a look at the Chrysler Imperial Club (imperialclub.com) as an example.
Some of the 48-52 mechanical procedures stuff is done - that is, I took the specification pages and put them into a seperate file on my computer. I'd have to check to see what all I did.
I do have the 1953-1954 years done that way - have to dig thru my CD's and files to see where I put the other stuff.
Hudsonly,
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HudsonTech-1909-1957 wrote:Some of the 48-52 mechanical procedures stuff is done - that is, I took the specification pages and put them into a seperate file on my computer. I'd have to check to see what all I did.
I do have the 1953-1954 years done that way - have to dig thru my CD's and files to see where I put the other stuff.
Hudsonly,
Alex B
Perhaps we should all touch base again in the not too distant future and put together a plan on how to move this project along. Maybe even write a small grant to get some funding to preserve an important part of American automotive history. Just imagine how much useful and interesting information we could gather by visiting and interviewing the experts and getting their wisdom down on paper to be passed on to future Hudson enthusiasts. One thought would be to pick just one mechanical issue or topic per year and then attack it on multiple levels (researching, gathering materials, scanning and typing as needed, adding digital illustrations, video recording of folks working on their Hudsons and explaining what they're doing or telling us how they came to be Hudsonites or perhaps grew up in a family that owned a Hudson dealership or repair shop or worked at the factory. I think we all would enjoy having coffee or a beer or two with the experts and hearing what they have to say. The HET Club Store has a few videos for sale that cover some of these same issues and that's a great start.0
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