WTN Question for Sam ??
Hi Sam, I am sure you remember me and my wife Darlene ?? I just got my WTN on the 27th of February but we sent $30.00 for first class mail 12-26-05 yet cover of the WTN says YOUR MEMBERSHIP IS EXPIRING Renew today. Hope this is a misunderstanding and all is good. I just do not want to miss a WTN and thanks for listening to me whine.Thanks again,
Ron P.S.the check cleared the bank
Ron P.S.the check cleared the bank
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Sam Jackson is not the membership person. He and wife are editors of the WTN. Address labels are provided to the printer from the membership person. Check the WTN for the current member holding this position... and ask the same valid question.
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You want to talk to Chalotte Sargent. Look in your WTN. I had a similar problem in not getting my WTN. I just got mine yesterday. I spoke to her husband yesterday. I had upgraded my postage last month to 1st class so it should apply to the next WTN. I'm also in So Cal and our postal service is absolutely pathetic. They are sloppy, overpaid and unaccountable. Niels0
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nhp1127 wrote:You want to talk to Chalotte Sargent. Look in your WTN. I had a similar problem in not getting my WTN. I just got mine yesterday. I spoke to her husband yesterday. I had upgraded my postage last month to 1st class so it should apply to the next WTN. I'm also in So Cal and our postal service is absolutely pathetic. They are sloppy, overpaid and unaccountable. Niels
Hey, Neils - at least your mail doesn't get delivered by dog sled in the winter time and pony express in the summer. LOL
Hudsonly,
Alex B
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hudsontech wrote:Hey, Neils - at least your mail doesn't get delivered by dog sled in the winter time and pony express in the summer. LOL
Hudsonly,
Alex B
Alex,
I wish it did. It would be faster and plus the ponies are more intelligent....Niels0 -
Charlott's email is listed on www.hudsonclub.org0
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Ron P,
Short answer (since I took too long on my first reply for you & I was kicked off before I finished my tirade. I am so happy!):
FIRST; E-mail or call Charlotte ASAP. No real need to since the Mar/APR issue will be 1st class any way.
SECOND; Pray that we can find a copy of the WTN for all those other people who did not get a Jan/Feb WTN.
Third; Join me in a campaign to have the 2nd class mailing option dropped completely for the USA membership.
Remembering that we don't seem to have much of a problem with the None USA ground mailing memberships!!!!!!
I shipped an Aluminum high compression head I had sent to ummmm... New Zealand boondocks via UPS and it got there Okay and faster than our 2nd class mailed WTN's here within the USA ever do!!!
I have omitted all the US Army language and replaced it with a mild mannered clergy members language that I am. Thank God for small favors, huh?
Bruce Sargent
Member of HET, HETHS, Yahoo Hudson 8 Forum, Corvairs, SCCA and others too.
Life member VFW, retired US Army Master Sergeant.
And the unhappy husband of Charlotte when it comes to this subjact matter. period..
(to be perfectly honest, I never used foul language in the Army. Led by example not mouth)0 -
Here's what amazes me: each week, millions of weekly magazines are mailed to their subscribers all over the country and reach them in a few days. As far as I know they travel 'periodical rate' (second class) as the WTN does. So....why does it take almost three weeks for my periodical-rate WTN to arrive? Are Time, US News and Newsweek (not to mention hundreds of other weekly publications) slipping a little something to the USPS bigwigs under the table?? (LOL!) In general I have no problems with the Postal Service, but this is one huge letdown!0
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From what I understand, the major weekly magazines are printed in multiple locations across the country to facilitate quick delivery. (I only know that because I considered advertising locally in them)0
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Jon B wrote:Here's what amazes me: each week, millions of weekly magazines are mailed to their subscribers all over the country and reach them in a few days. As far as I know they travel 'periodical rate' (second class) as the WTN does. So....why does it take almost three weeks for my periodical-rate WTN to arrive? Are Time, US News and Newsweek (not to mention hundreds of other weekly publications) slipping a little something to the USPS bigwigs under the table?? (LOL!) In general I have no problems with the Postal Service, but this is one huge letdown!
Maybe because we have such a great club magazine half the postal workers have to read it as it progresses it's way from hither to yon?????
I know that a lot of people like "timeliness" due to the ads - I don't have that need, so am happy when it arrives, whenever it arrives. At least it arrives in a timely manner for me. If anyone really reads my posts my critiques are directed, not at the WTN staff or the membership people (all of whom are doing a fantastic job, IMHO) but at the U S Postal System. Bruce has probably hit the nail on the head - the major periodicals (Time, Newsweek, etc) do publish all over the country, thus get to their subscribers much more quickly than does our humble little offering.
It will take a letter (or package or whatever) a lot less time from Memphis to St. Louis, than it will from St. Louis to San Francisco. Usually (I clarify). Things can, if all falls into place correctly, move quite rapidly thru our vaunted postal system. I recently recieved a fairly large 4 pound package mailed from Cleveland, OH, that arrived on my front porch in Kennebunk, ME, on Friday afternoon. Maybe it just depends on what sort of mood the postal workers along the route are in!!!
So I will patiently await the arrival of my WTN - it's of a quality that makes it worth waiting for. Keep up the good work people.
Hudsonly,
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FYI,
The USPS won't let the WTN mail under the same rules as all those great publications that have paid advertising in them!
Same with the membership rosters. Cost is higher as a result and they still don't deliver any where near as fast as those other publications.
Ist class USPS USA mailings have a very good record, however. Less than a dozen are returned (and are usually complete so we don't have to send a 2nd issue) on an annual basis and are usually due to none forwarded addresses or postal system (USPS) error.
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PS to FYI:
Those great publications are quite often mailed in SEALED plastic bags!0 -
Sam here...about 3% of all magazines mailed in the US NEVER arrive, so we're not doing to badly. (That would be 90 WTN's, we've NEVER lost that many.) Every publisher from Hemmings to Newsfreak has this problem. It will never go away. The Club has done a great job (in my opinion) of making sure that every member gets a copy of every issue. (Thanks Charlotte, Bruce & others.) In the past, even under my editorship, deadlines were missed from time to time and the magazine was later than usual. More than three years ago we moved the publishing deadline back a week to the second last day of the month before the cover month. (Feb 27 for Mar/Apr.) The printer receives the complete mag on the last day of the month. It is printed by the 14th of the cover month and mailed on the 15th-16th. (Takes two days for the mailing company to get 'em all out.) This timeline has not been missed in over 3 years, a fact of which we are very proud. The USPS does its thing. NOBODY can affect that. BTW, a couple of years ago Hemmings decided they wanted to have more issues on the newstand. SO, they dropped a month! Instead of dating the January issue January, they just called it February. Everybody started getting their magazines A LOT earlier! LOL. Every magazine uses this "deception." Hot Rod Magazine and all its bretheren at Primedia are woring on the "July/August" issues now. We could have called the Mar/Apr issue of WTN May/June. Talk about getting it earlier! BUT does it matter? We are foccussed on getting it out consistently. Thanks for all your good natured input.0
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Sam,
You, Charlotte, her embattled husband, and every other hard working HET'er that puts together this fine magazine should take this passionate 'concern' that people have over the receipt of their White Triangle News in a timely manner as the very highest complement to your efforts.
This is the kind of emotion that's usually reserved for making sure your paycheck comes on time, let alone a volunteer club magazine. Keep up the fantastic work.
Hudsonly,
Doug0 -
topsgtsarg wrote:Ron P,
Short answer (since I took too long on my first reply for you & I was kicked off before I finished my tirade. I am so happy!):
FIRST; E-mail or call Charlotte ASAP. No real need to since the Mar/APR issue will be 1st class any way.
SECOND; Pray that we can find a copy of the WTN for all those other people who did not get a Jan/Feb WTN.
Third; Join me in a campaign to have the 2nd class mailing option dropped completely for the USA membership.
Remembering that we don't seem to have much of a problem with the None USA ground mailing memberships!!!!!!
I shipped an Aluminum high compression head I had sent to ummmm... New Zealand boondocks via UPS and it got there Okay and faster than our 2nd class mailed WTN's here within the USA ever do!!!
I have omitted all the US Army language and replaced it with a mild mannered clergy members language that I am. Thank God for small favors, huh?
Bruce Sargent
Member of HET, HETHS, Yahoo Hudson 8 Forum, Corvairs, SCCA and others too.
Life member VFW, retired US Army Master Sergeant.
And the unhappy husband of Charlotte when it comes to this subjact matter. period..
(to be perfectly honest, I never used foul language in the Army. Led by example not mouth)
I agree- get rid of the second class postal option. It will get everyone's WTN to them on time and make Charlotte and Bruce's job easier aswell. It won't kill people to spend five more bucks in order to simplify life and enhance the quality of membership for all. Niels0 -
nhp1127 wrote:I agree- get rid of the second class postal option. It will get everyone's WTN to them on time and make Charlotte and Bruce's job easier aswell. It won't kill people to spend five more bucks in order to simplify life and enhance the quality of membership for all. Niels
$5 bucks more a month????? :mad: Speak for yourself Niels - I'm a military retiree, but I'm NOT one of them rich military retiree's!!!!!! E-6's don't make Admiral retirement money!!! LOL ROF LLAM
Seriously, I could scratch up another $5 - as long as it stayed that way for a while.
Hudsonly,
Alex B0 -
$5 more A YEAR for First Class Mail. That works out to less than 10 cents a week. Gee, Alex, you should be able to find that under your couch cushions. LOL0
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Alex B wrote of patience with regard to the USPS. I, too, wait patiently for my next delivery but always with a sense of gratitute because the stuff does in fact arrive and it placed conveniently right on my front porch. Some have written in this thread about the lackluster performance of the USPS. But those folks most likely never experienced postal delivery as practiced by our great neighbor to the north. I vividly remember numerous cross-border trips from Montreal to Plattsburgh, NY in the dead of winter to collect my mail during the Canadian postal strikes of the mid-70s. Picture, if you will, a shaggy-haired kid in a borrowed VW Beetle with no heat leaving Quebec in the morning with no obvious luggage and returning around midnight with an overstuffed backpack. They had a special lane for me at customs even though the only kilos I ever packed was several weeks of forwarded mail! Let us be thankful for the great American Postal Worker! ArtS0
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When I moved from Ontario, Canada to California I was working outside on Saturday when the letter carrier arrived. Wait a minute, I THOUGHT it was Saturday. I should be at work. Nope. Canada doesn't have Saturday delivery...hasn't had for years and years. Another little cultural adjustment for moi.0
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Heres another cool fact about Canada Post I sent out the invites to our upcoming meet on a Monday and by that Thursday 99% of the people had them and thats across Canada. The old adage though is if you send anything 2nd class be prepared to wait.0
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You guys think you got something to gripe about? I tred economising by getting the W.T.N. second class mail, and sometimes it took three months to arrive! So it costs me U.S.$64 per year to get it airmail, and it usually arrives within a week of being posted. Now I'm told that NOTHING goes by sea any more, so where does that mag finish up for all that time??? Incidentally, that $64 translates to $100 in N.Z. money, so it's quite an expensive book, considering we get no opportunity to participate in any H.E.T events, vote, or take part in club affairs.
Geoff.0
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