Clocks
Well I just took my cluster in to have the speedo head rebuilt, I was going to have them do the clock too and he told me it was a wind up. Still doesn't work but can this be true on a 54 Hornet. If so seems to me this is the time to make it electric. Getting driven maybe once a week at the most I would have to wind and reset the clock everytime I got in it. Anyone been across this?
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All automotive clocks of this era were windup, but you do not need to do the winding! There is a little motor like wingding that will wind the clock when it gets to a certain point of its cycle. You can actually hear it if you listen closely. Anyway, yours may just need a cleaning, on the other hand you can also have it converted to a quartz movement by any number of sources in Hemmings.0
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a HORNET would have an electric wound clock, a Hornet Special would have the Wasp a wind-up as standard equipment.
Hornets and Commodores (back as far as '41 if not earlier) had the electric as standard
Lower models had a manual wind clock
the clocks should be similar mechanically and the same shop should be able to handle the necessary repair - which like most old watches is mearly a good cleaning and oiling.0 -
In 1954 you could get any combination one of my Hornet Specials has an electric winder but the other has a manual wind up. I truely believe that the factory was installing whatever they happened to have on hand at the moment.
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OK so it is a winder but being a Special it has to be wound by hand??? If I am interpreting this correctly, that is why I want to go electric. Then the time will always be right as I will not be driving the car regularly to wind it.0
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My Dad had Both.... He had a 54 Hornet special broughm which had the hand wind. He also Had a 54 Hornet Club coupe with the electric wind. He said that the Manual wind clock was better because it always worked . The electic wind always had problems.0
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I had mine (54) converted to 12V, quartz movement and it will run the battery down (~ a week or so depending upon the condition of the battery) if you don't keep a trickle charger on it. Battery would probably be fine if the car is used locally at least every 2-3 days, however, especially with a 12V alternator.
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The electric wound clocks would stop if the battery evenually got low on producing energy. They are both mechanical and electric, meaning there's a part in it that looks and acts like a set of points, the arm is on a racheting and spring mechanism. Spring put downward pressure on the arm and when it makes contact, it fires to wind the spring and start process over again. When the battery dies the contact points weld and that 's what stops the mechanism from working. I've very carefully disassembled, cleaned and lightly filed the points to a clean surface and happily watch it work again. Dust accumulates in them as well,so disassemble,clean,lightly file or polish points, reassemble, light oil and be happy. Almost as much fun as hearing a 50 some odd year old engine come life after having worked on it for months. Oh, the simple things in life.
Hudsonly,
Kim0 -
As I understand it, it is a low battery which causes the points to fail to open properly and as a result burn. Seems like I heard they wind every 18 minutes or so. Frequently, at any rate. Surprised a quartz convresion uses so much power. I have one of the quick disconnects on mine. Useful when the car is not driven for a period, and if you are fooling around under the hood with the two open junction blocks for the lights...
Walt-LA.0 -
I think I am going to call the guy and have him hold off on the clock, I think it was 100 bucks or so to fix it. I can either do it myself or convert it to electric.0
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I Remove Electric Clock From My 46 And Bought A Clock Kit Al Walmart. Cut Out Piece Of Sheet Metal To Fit Back And Drilled. Clock Now Has Nice Gold Arms But It Is Battery Operated Works Fine Unless You Slam Glove Box Door The Battery Falls Out... Nice Clean And Under $10.00 ..just A Thought.0
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BADHUDSON wrote:I Remove Electric Clock From My 46 And Bought A Clock Kit Al Walmart. Cut Out Piece Of Sheet Metal To Fit Back And Drilled. Clock Now Has Nice Gold Arms But It Is Battery Operated Works Fine Unless You Slam Glove Box Door The Battery Falls Out... Nice Clean And Under $10.00 ..just A Thought.
I liked your suggestion, so I purchased one of the clock kits at Wallmart for 5.37 including tax. (They have 1/4", 1/2" and 3/4", I used 1/4" kit)
I removed stock mechanism from a wind up clock, notched bottom and installed inside case on my 46 hpu. I Cut down the gold hands and it works fine with no problem of battery falling out when door is slammed. Only drawback is you have to remove back to replace battery, but that should only be once a year. Entire project took less than 2 hours. Thanks for the tip.0 -
Wish that would work on a 54 Hornet, completely different animal plus there is no easy access to anything behind the instrument panel in that car. Trust me I just pulled it out to do some work back there and that wasn't easy either.0
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have several 54 electrlic clocks if you want to go electric, BILL ALBRIGHT0
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Thanks Bill, I will keep that in mind. I am going to try and get out there in the next week or two and decide what I need. I know you want me to bring the car and it is not running right now.0
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My original 6 volt 54 Hornet sits for up to a month with the clock running & does not run the battery down. The earlier clocks would, but both my 53 & 54 Hornets would not. The 53 was a converted 12 volt system.0
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Anyone here done this late model quartz conversion? Can I do it myself? What would I need to purchase?
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Well the speedo guy contacted me and informed me that his clock guy said it would be too expensive to convert over to quartz. Said he could rebuild the wind up for 100 or he had a new one for 150. I wanted electric and was hoping on the quartz movement. Should i just find an original electric, put a resistor in it and just go with that? Thoughts or comments?0
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464Saloon wrote:Well the speedo guy contacted me and informed me that his clock guy said it would be too expensive to convert over to quartz. Said he could rebuild the wind up for 100 or he had a new one for 150. I wanted electric and was hoping on the quartz movement. Should i just find an original electric, put a resistor in it and just go with that? Thoughts or comments?
Sounds like the shop is slipping you a line used to do a quick sell. Maybe a second opinion is in order. If it were me, I'd do it correctly or not at all.0 -
They have been around a long time and I have used them before, but as you see from the lack of responses here, I don't think anyone has too much experience on this.0
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I believe this is the outfit who rebuilt the electric clock for my '54. I want to say it was 50-60 dollars though nearly 10yrs ago. they do the quartz and 12v conversions as well.
http://www.clockwks.com/CLOCKWORKS/The_Clock_Worx.html0 -
Thanks Nick,
I went to their site and filled out their form. We'll see what they say.0 -
I see they have a fully reconditioned 48/49 Hudson clock for $139.95!0
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Just got an e-mail from them and they don't offer a quartz conversion. They can rebuild mine for 69.95 which is a little cheaper than a local guy here, but once you get shipping and time in, it would break even. I would still be stuck with a wind up clock. I asked back about why a quartz can't be done so we will see what they say. Looks like I will be picking up an original electric and putting in a voltage drop:(0
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My two Centavos’ on this… I was able to get the clock in my 53 Hornet working and have it run on 12 volts. It did not work when I got it, but after prying it out of the housing (gently) it was reasonably clean and unrusted inside. I gently wound it by hand and when I’d “spin-start†the little wheel in there to get it going it would run for about 5 or 6 clicks then stop. I filed the points a little with what I think is actually an old points file and it wound itself when 6 volts was applied, but it still needed a nudge to that little wheel to get it going. This time it ran for almost a minute! I used some of that “Air duster in a can†for computer parts to blow out any unseen dust or flakes of the white paint from the housing. (Just don’t give it a close direct blast) Then I used some sewing machine oil on a toothpick to put just the smallest amount I could on the moving parts. Started itself when wound now. After that I just watched it run for a while. Somewhat soothing just watching as the old machinery ticks away. To convert to 12 volts I just used an old Chrysler Ballast resistor in the power lead. Polarity did not seem to matter, it wound either way. I put +12 to Ballast then to the stud and grounded the case. Ran all night that way but was about 20 min slow the next day. I slid the little adjustment all the way, but one more day and it was still 15 min slow. Opened it back up and shortened the windup spring by one coil. I’ve let it run as long as a week on my bench and it keeps going until after I turn the power supply off. It did loose about twenty minutes in that week, so I guess I could pull another coil out of the spring. Don’t think I will, as I don’t want it to run fast then. I’ll just adjust it now and then. We don’t want “Hudson time†to go by too fast anyway, do we?
Also my Dad I think once told me that the old car clocks needed to see some vibration from driving to keep running. Makes sense I guess, when these cars were new I’d bet they got driven most every day.
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Shortening the actuating spring will not make the clock run faster. This is dependent on the time it takes the balance wheel to oscillate and shift the pallet forks. giving it a stronger swing by strengthening the spring will in fact make it run slower - it takes longer for the osicllation to take place. You will have to increase the tension on the balcnce wheel spring, not a job for an amateur. Normally you have to remove the tapered locating peg, move the torsion spring in, and refit the peg. this is precision work.:eek:
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The wind-up clock in one of my (daily driver) '49 Super Sixes was the most accurate and dependable clock that I've ever had in the one hundred plus cars I've owned in my life. Undoubtedly the digital and quartz ones that I've had in my newer cars are superior in many ways, but they've never performed any better. Minnesota weather never effected it's accuracy a bit. I'm fairly certain that the wind-ups are all "eight day", so they shouldn't require winding more than once a week. I might suggest that you consider getting your clock back from the speedo man and taking it to any reputable clock shop in your area. (One that services all types of clocks). Clock mechanisms like yours are pretty standard fare. I'm sure that a competent clock man will find nothing different inside of yours than he would find in any household eight-day. Worried about the spring winding down before the next time you drive your '54? So What? Simply reset it by your wrist watch. It doesn't keep track of AM or PM, so it's very quickly reset. (Not at all like the fancy clock radio on your nightstand). Thus, you keep your '54 original and experience the pleasure of hearing your clock ticking away in quiet moments.0
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The '53 clocks (in the Hornet anyway) are a standard mechanical clock, but without a wind-up main spring. Instead, there is a set of contacts which actuate a solenoid which flips up on a ratchet to tension up a small coil spring, which takes the place of the wind-up spring. Hence they cannot be wound up, apart from the electrical circuit. If the battery should go half dead, the points don't give enough voltage to trip the solenoid, which will eventually cook. The same type of clock was used in the '39 Country Club deluxe 8 that I owned many years ago, so were obviously in many different models over the years. Probably most of you know this already. If the solenoid is burnt out, or the points shot, it would probably be just as cheap to replace with a quartz movement. I have just bought a silver quartz clock for $15 ( new, Chinese), which looks extremely close to the clocks originally available for the '28 and '28 Essex, so I am mounting it on the dash of the Essex. Will probably do the same if the original clock on the '29 Hudson packs up again. Will keep the original face and transplant a quartz movemnet behind.
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Geoff,
Mine is a 54 and I have been told by two clock people now that a quartz unit cannot be put in it. I haven't yet got the reason why since I am waiting for a response by e-mail and the other I have been going through the speedo shop so I haven't spoke directly with them. Can you see any reason why it can't be done?
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464Saloon wrote:Geoff,
Mine is a 54 and I have been told by two clock people now that a quartz unit cannot be put in it. I haven't yet got the reason why since I am waiting for a response by e-mail and the other I have been going through the speedo shop so I haven't spoke directly with them. Can you see any reason why it can't be done?
Thanks,
Rob
No such thing as "Can't be done". But it depends on the amount of time and expense you want to go to! I finished up sending my '29 Hudson Clock (Waltham 8 day) to Britain to be rebuilt, at great expense. If it packs up again, I will transplant a quartz movement. Whether your clock is electric or manual wind, the movement is still mechanical, so you should be able to get it overhauled.
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I received an e-mail back from the one clock place that was suggested here and he said a quartz movement wont fit in the 54 housing. I know it is not as big as the earlier cars, but it sure looks bigger than the clocks that are in modern cars. I wonderwhat quartz movement they are using. I am sure there must be a number of versions out there considering how many different size clocks you see in cars.0
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