Respect, History and Jet Cov't's
I have always loved car's. I especially love antique car's. I absolutely get moved by Rare Historical Vehichles.... I consider it a privilege to part of the HET CLUB. That being said, Why would someone with a one of ( JET CONVT) allow it to weather for 30 plus years ???? Why would someone buy it to begin with if they didn't have storage????? In 1971 My Dad was leaving for Edward's Airforce base to do extensive Flight testing on the A-10 Warthog. Before he left , He sold his 54 Hornet CLub Coupe. The reason was that he didn't want the car to fall into a state of disrepair and get scratched by his childrens bikes. The car was gorgeous. He sold it and left for a 1 yr stint in California. I wished then that he wouldn't sell but he did. I guess I grew up because allowing the car to pass into comforting hands was the right thing to do. Now my Dad is retired and He and I have lucky enough to buy a few Stepdowns to share.. IT's been a great Hobby for the two of us and quality time all the way.. I guess it's true that we live and learn from our Parents. We go through adolescence as a rebel and eventually the clouds lift.
Thanks Dad for all you did.... I get it.... We are only Caretakers
Thanks Dad for all you did.... I get it.... We are only Caretakers
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I hope everyone reads this and lets it sink in. Well written and I have to completely agree....
I just got done looking at the Jet pictures again, and really thought to myself that it was such a shame for a car that is so rare, but not so desireable, to deteriorate to such a degree. The worst part about it is even the top of the left headlight is rusted out...
My only hope is that the reserve,, which seems so out of line already, is not too much more, and ultimately, if it does not get met, at least the seller and high bidder can come together on a common price.
What a great piece of Hudson history....0 -
harry54 wrote:I have always loved car's. I especially love antique car's. I absolutely get moved by Rare Historical Vehichles.... I consider it a privilege to part of the HET CLUB. That being said, Why would someone with a one of ( JET CONVT) allow it to weather for 30 plus years ???? Why would someone buy it to begin with if they didn't have storage????? In 1971 My Dad was leaving for Edward's Airforce base to do extensive Flight testing on the A-10 Warthog. Before he left , He sold his 54 Hornet CLub Coupe. The reason was that he didn't want the car to fall into a state of disrepair and get scratched by his childrens bikes. The car was gorgeous. He sold it and left for a 1 yr stint in California. I wished then that he wouldn't sell but he did. I guess I grew up because allowing the car to pass into comforting hands was the right thing to do. Now my Dad is retired and He and I have lucky enough to buy a few Stepdowns to share.. IT's been a great Hobby for the two of us and quality time all the way.. I guess it's true that we live and learn from our Parents. We go through adolescence as a rebel and eventually the clouds lift.
Thanks Dad for all you did.... I get it.... We are only Caretakers
Why would someone do this to a car - the answer is simple: all to many people want something rare simply because they can say they have it. This is not to say they will restore it, or take care of it. It's simple ego - I've got something that no one else has!!!
Another example - someone steals a rare art piece. It's impossible to sell on the open market, but there is a huge underground sales potential. The buyer knows he cannot tell anyone he has it - so it is placed in a vault and viewed only by the purchaser.
Hudsonly,
Alex B0 -
harry54 wrote:I have always loved car's. I especially love antique car's. I absolutely get moved by Rare Historical Vehichles.... I consider it a privilege to part of the HET CLUB. That being said, Why would someone with a one of ( JET CONVT) allow it to weather for 30 plus years ???? Why would someone buy it to begin with if they didn't have storage????? In 1971 My Dad was leaving for Edward's Airforce base to do extensive Flight testing on the A-10 Warthog. Before he left , He sold his 54 Hornet CLub Coupe. The reason was that he didn't want the car to fall into a state of disrepair and get scratched by his childrens bikes. The car was gorgeous. He sold it and left for a 1 yr stint in California. I wished then that he wouldn't sell but he did. I guess I grew up because allowing the car to pass into comforting hands was the right thing to do. Now my Dad is retired and He and I have lucky enough to buy a few Stepdowns to share.. IT's been a great Hobby for the two of us and quality time all the way.. I guess it's true that we live and learn from our Parents. We go through adolescence as a rebel and eventually the clouds lift.
Thanks Dad for all you did.... I get it.... We are only Caretakers
Very moving. We are indeed only caretakers for a space in time. Some people are better caretakes than others. The owner/seller of the Jet convertible is probably related (at least in state of mind) to a guy who lives in my state. His parents owned a large new car dealship in the 1960's and 70's. Like other dealers, they took in trades. If the son liked a particular car that came in on trade, it was stashed away. Originally, he had 100+ cars stored in a warehosue until the building owner tossed him out. Currently, his cars litter several large lots and all exist in various states of severe decline. One car in particular, an early Buick Riviera, was so far gone that the seats had fallen through the floor! It may be an illness that prompts people to act this way. It may be the inability to make a decision. But if everyone took superior care of their cars, what would you and your father have to restore?0 -
I Agree With Everything That Has Been Said, To Leave It Out And Then Destroy History Is A Crime, Now He Wants To Get Rich Off Of It. I Bet The Reserve Is So High That Nobody Will Reach It, Just To See How High It Will Go.0
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The reason I bought my Wasp is because I felt sorry for it. Someone had done a pretty good job of taking care of it over the years, but the fellow that I bought it from only wanted to get rid of it and make a dollar. He had kept the car for several years and let it go down considerably. I sold him another car later that was an absolutely mint condition 76 Cosworth Vega that had been garaged it's entire life and he kept it for a couple of years, left in outside in a field next to his house, exposed to the elements which was very hard on the fragile lacquer paint and interior parts. He effectively reduced the value of the car by half by trying to make the big bucks on a car that was only worth 6-7K at the most. Greed destroys.
That won't happen to my stepdown. If I sell it, I will try to get fair market value for it, and not worry about recouping any extra that I will have put into it. I only hope that the next owner would take good care of it and pass it on.
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Swasp76063 wrote:The reason I bought my Wasp is because I felt sorry for it. Someone had done a pretty good job of taking care of it over the years, but the fellow that I bought it from only wanted to get rid of it and make a dollar. He had kept the car for several years and let it go down considerably. I sold him another car later that was an absolutely mint condition 76 Cosworth Vega that had been garaged it's entire life and he kept it for a couple of years, left in outside in a field next to his house, exposed to the elements which was very hard on the fragile lacquer paint and interior parts. He effectively reduced the value of the car by half by trying to make the big bucks on a car that was only worth 6-7K at the most. Greed destroys.
That won't happen to my stepdown. If I sell it, I will try to get fair market value for it, and not worry about recouping any extra that I will have put into it. I only hope that the next owner would take good care of it and pass it on.
Bob
I think we can all relate to what you've said. So many of us have been in the exact same situation.0 -
I'll throw my 2 bits worth in, because I share a little of the "disease" that causes people to do this. Do you remember the term from your childhood, "Your eyes are bigger than your stomach." When your parents said it, it was in the context of taking more food on your dinner plate than you could eat, but it could also apply to taking on more projects than you can accomplish, either from the standpoint of time to do them, or the skill to complete them, or both. Many of us take on more projects than we can complete (and in some cases, like the Jet owner, that may consist of a total of just one project)- but the complication comes in when you start to define your sense of self-worth in terms of how well you are accomplishing what you "promised" yourself and others that you were going to do. For some, it becomes an event of immense pain to admit that you aren't ever going to get to it- to the extent that you just put it off, rather than just selling/ giving it away, and moving on. It depends a lot on your support group- I suspect the Jet owner had a spouse who said little, as long as he was someday "going to get around to it", but who would have torn him a new one had he ever admitted defeat and put it up for sale. So, to minimize pain, the project was always something he was "going to get around to" in the undefined future. I doubt that desire for financial gain was ever really a part of it. The wild card here is that physical deterioration marches , to the point where the unique Jet convertible is now little more than parts.
Saying it "oughta be against the law" to let this happen simply ignores both the very human aspects of the situation, as well as the fact that it is just a "thing", and as such, the owner can do whatever he damn well pleases with it. People are people, with their human frailties, and it shall ever be thus. As my dad used to say, "Sometimes I think the only reasonable people in this world are you and me, and sometimes I'm not so sure about you."0 -
Mike (WA) wrote:I'll throw my 2 bits worth in, because I share a little of the "disease" that causes people to do this. Do you remember the term from your childhood, "Your eyes are bigger than your stomach." When your parents said it, it was in the context of taking more food on your dinner plate than you could eat, but it could also apply to taking on more projects than you can accomplish, either from the standpoint of time to do them, or the skill to complete them, or both. Many of us take on more projects than we can complete (and in some cases, like the Jet owner, that may consist of a total of just one project)- but the complication comes in when you start to define your sense of self-worth in terms of how well you are accomplishing what you "promised" yourself and others that you were going to do. For some, it becomes an event of immense pain to admit that you aren't ever going to get to it- to the extent that you just put it off, rather than just selling/ giving it away, and moving on. It depends a lot on your support group- I suspect the Jet owner had a spouse who said little, as long as he was someday "going to get around to it", but who would have torn him a new one had he ever admitted defeat and put it up for sale. So, to minimize pain, the project was always something he was "going to get around to" in the undefined future. I doubt that desire for financial gain was ever really a part of it. The wild card here is that physical deterioration marches , to the point where the unique Jet convertible is now little more than parts.
Saying it "oughta be against the law" to let this happen simply ignores both the very human aspects of the situation, as well as the fact that it is just a "thing", and as such, the owner can do whatever he damn well pleases with it. People are people, with their human frailties, and it shall ever be thus. As my dad used to say, "Sometimes I think the only reasonable people in this world are you and me, and sometimes I'm not so sure about you."
Well said!!!:cool:0 -
Remember, you never really "own" anything, cars included. You are simply a temporary caretaker, until you sell it, trade it, wreck it, part it, or crush it.0
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I Thank The Man Upstairs For Giving Me The Ability And Forsight To Have Put Over 600 Hudsons Thru My Shop In 35 Years. Surely Not All Full Restorations But At Least Three A Year Of Those. I Am Sometimes Accused Of Charging Too Much For My Work, But Every Penny I Ever Made Has Gone Into The Next Restoration. Il Have Brought Many Back That Noone Would Have Attempted. Hope I Have A Few More Todo Before I Check Out, Bill Albright. I Could Do That Jet, But Look At The Controversy That Would Start Lol, Bill Albright0
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bill a wrote:I Thank The Man Upstairs For Giving Me The Ability And Forsight To Have Put Over 600 Hudsons Thru My Shop In 35 Years. Surely Not All Full Restorations But At Least Three A Year Of Those. I Am Sometimes Accused Of Charging Too Much For My Work, But Every Penny I Ever Made Has Gone Into The Next Restoration. Il Have Brought Many Back That Noone Would Have Attempted. Hope I Have A Few More Todo Before I Check Out, Bill Albright. I Could Do That Jet, But Look At The Controversy That Would Start Lol, Bill Albright
I and we know you can,and no this would not be the last one.
I have an Ad some where in this mess that I live in that shows a good side picture of this Jet Convert. It was for sale in a publication many years back and at that time I along with other local HUD-NETS and a few from the Dallas group thaught It was a home-built car. ( the price was very cheap at that time and did not show any body Rust )
I will try to find the Ad-picture this week end. ( if someone would look at the back issures on the NORTH TEXAS NEWS LETTER to see if a picture of it was shown in it )
Now if I could just find it ????
Hudsonly to you Bill and to all. Rudy.0 -
It seems the same phenomenon happens all over the world. The only Convertible I know of in this country (New Zealand) is a '53 Wasp, and it too is sitting outside, along with around 85 or so other Hudsons, owned by an "enthusiast", who thinks he will eventually be able to retire on the funds he will get from selling his "valuable" collection. This collection is slowly sinking into the ground and rusting happily. Kinda like a horse lover working in pet food shop!
Geoff.0 -
Well said Geoff. Why do steward's of rare and Historical vehicles do things like this..... 15,000 reserve..... Somethings in life are just not right....0
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harry54 wrote:Well said Geoff. Why do steward's of rare and Historical vehicles do things like this..... 15,000 reserve..... Somethings in life are just not right....
I don't know 15k reserve doesn't seem that bad, I think recently one of our forum members bought a rare 48 stepdown convert for around 10k not as in bad a shape as this one but it did have some issues If I remember right from the pictures and there was what 50-60 of those made0 -
rambos_ride wrote:I don't know 15k reserve doesn't seem that bad, I think recently one of our forum members bought a rare 48 stepdown convert for around 10k not as in bad a shape as this one but it did have some issues If I remember right from the pictures and there was what 50-60 of those made
If that was the 48 commodore 8 that the Sollens got, that was a steal for 10K. If memory serves correct, I thought that it was real solid and pretty original, minimal rust. :eek:
It was even delivered, I think..... :cool:
After some of the ones that Pittsburg group brought back, from seeing the pictures and the cars in real time, they deserve a good solid one to start with...0 -
hudsonkid wrote:If that was the 48 commodore 8 that the Sollens got, that was a steal for 10K. If memory serves correct, I thought that it was real solid and pretty original, minimal rust. :eek:
It was even delivered, I think..... :cool:
After some of the ones that Pittsburg group brought back, from seeing the pictures and the cars in real time, they deserve a good solid one to start with...
I think Dave S. or his son was the one who got that 48...and I didn't mean to infer it was anywhere as in poor condition as the jet in question - but it wasn't pristine to start with either!
Given it was pretty solid during the tear-down and what they're worth restored it was a steal at 10k.0
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