Supermatic problems

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edited November -1 in HUDSON
I got a call with a question on this problem. Car was just purchased,unloaded from trailer, when tried by new owner reverse only no forward. Car is 1950 Hudson 4 door sedan. Can we find a fix so he can drive his Hudson? Lou Cote

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  • hudsonguy
    hudsonguy Senior Contributor
    dynolou,



    Unfortunately, I can't be much help to you at all, since my Hudson has the manual transmission. I do know that you've got a Hydramatic in your Hudson, not a Supermatic.



    I'd at the very least start with fresh fluid and filter, and see what it does, and go from there, but there are many other Hydramatic guys out there that can certainly shed more light on it that I can.



    Good Luck,

    Doug
  • nick s
    nick s Senior Contributor
    assuming it is a supermatic and i will assume it is in his 50.



    Does he get neutral? i would suggest taking a good look at the linkage. be sure full travel of the lever and cable are occurring. something may obviously become disconnecteted bent or broken.

    if not pull the linkage and determine whether the bind preventing travel is internal to the transmission or within the linkage. considering that his transmission does transmit, i would guess the internals are not a pile in the bottom of the case and suspect the linkage. to get him on the road, the quickest fix may be to replace the drivemaster linkage with "standard" linkage and dealing with it later (or not). however, if evrything is moving properly, he will need to tear in and find what may be broken internally, possibly a shift rail?



    if its a hydramatic, i know forward and no reverse requires a complete teardown to adress the reverse gear, can't imagine the opposite will be much easier. considering it is starting (and neutral switch is functioning as this is not a complaint), and N and R are opposite ends, the linkage would not be suspect.
  • Unknown
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    hudsonguy wrote:
    dynolou,



    Unfortunately, I can't be much help to you at all, since my Hudson has the manual transmission. I do know that you've got a Hydramatic in your Hudson, not a Supermatic.



    I'd at the very least start with fresh fluid and filter, and see what it does, and go from there, but there are many other Hydramatic guys out there that can certainly shed more light on it that I can.



    Good Luck,

    Doug



    why would you "know" that he has a hydramatic in his hudson? :rolleyes:



    Seems to me that he specified Supermatic.



    1950 was the last year for Supermatic



    Hydramatic was not available in 1950 hudsons.



    And unless you know for sure that this car was converted, It is doubtful that he is incorrect in his diagnosis of it being a supermatic car. :cool:



    I reasonably believe that "dynolou" who it seems, sold the car, has a good idea what the car is equipped with.



    I got to agree with Nick.



    My thoughts were, when I read this last night at work, that perhaps an item of linkage got bent/displaced in transit, or unloading, and is causing a binding in the linkage. If something internal was happening in the trans, I would also imagine that a quicker diagnosis would have been made already. It would be helpful to know whether the car can be moved forward and back (rolled) without any problems, either by depressing the clutch or finding neutral.



    To accurately diagnose this, I think we need more information, but if the car was fine only a short while ago, I would first think linkage, either got damaged or came loose.



    I thought about putting the supermatic back on my 50, but kind of like the twin h pretty much...



    Nick, do you thin that twin h, with oil baths, larger fram oil filter, and supermatic would work? :eek:



    (cause adding the oil filter was bad enough...)
  • nick s
    nick s Senior Contributor
    hudsonkid wrote:

    Nick, do you thin that twin h, with oil baths, larger fram oil filter, and supermatic would work? :eek:

    absolutely, if by work, you mean make it nearly impossible to check the oil or change the filter. i wouldn't consider trying it unless you have a complete 54 powerbrake set-up to install with the rest.:p power steering would help a little too.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    It's been pretty hot the last couple weeks, maybe an AC compressor yet would complete that supermatic installation.
  • hudsonguy
    hudsonguy Senior Contributor
    hudsonkid wrote:
    why would you "know" that he has a hydramatic in his hudson? :rolleyes:



    Seems to me that he specified Supermatic.



    1950 was the last year for Supermatic



    Hydramatic was not available in 1950 hudsons.



    And unless you know for sure that this car was converted, It is doubtful that he is incorrect in his diagnosis of it being a supermatic car. :cool:



    I reasonably believe that "dynolou" who it seems, sold the car, has a good idea what the car is equipped with.



    <<< Sorry, I humbly apologize for saying anything at all......my bad, etc.>>>
  • nick s
    nick s Senior Contributor
    hudsondad wrote:
    It's been pretty hot the last couple weeks, maybe an AC compressor yet would complete that supermatic installation.

    i wouldn't consider that, unless you would put the compressor on the manifold side, on the left side it will interfere with the power steering that with the rest of the luxuries will soon become a must have. i know you wouldn't crowd the right side but there will be plenty of room to cross the hoses over to install the evaporator tank on the left.



    i do think i figured out the answer to the original problem. I was thinking about my plans to change all 4 motor mounts tonight and it hit me. the hydramatic mounts are in the way for the drivemaster clutch and shift linkage. i guess it should have been obvious but i never contemplated combining the systems, adding overdrive alone, yes but never a whole supermatic setup.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    It's pretty hard right now to check and or fill the oil.



    I have all of the supermatic drive stuff, but I doubt it is ever going to be put on the car. I think the motor will be likely swapped for a 54 308, the twin H will go back on, and I'll be running the paper filter type air cleaners.



    I didn't reference the manual yet to see why the supermatic isn't working, but for some reason, I think there's a diagnosis section in there for the same issues, perhaps even in the 48-49 manual.



    I have thought about adding air, but need to figure it all out, someday.



    as far as power brake, that's doubtful as well.



    How's the conv. coming along? I don't think we saw any pictures lately...
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