HET Club Project- How Many Of Each Hudson Model In The Club?
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faustmb wrote:I am all for a searchable database. These is one of these I have used for VW's that was pretty basic, but functional.
In this case, I registered a pretty rare 1963 VW camper that I had purchased in this on-line database. A few weeks later, someone from half way around the world e-mailed me looking for a few interior photos. They also had a 1963camper of the same model as mine, the next consecutive SN. Without that registry, we never would have been able to share information.
I think that if anything, this DB would help keep the information more current. If the SN is the master record, each car can only exist once in the database. The last owner to report would show up as the most recent owner, but past owners could be traced also. If privacy is that mush of a concern, don't register your car. For that matter, don't join HET and keep your car safely locked up so know one will know...
My $.02
Matt
With today's technology, I will not give the serial numbers of ANY of my cars. Items such as titles can be fabricated faster from someone's home computer than the DMV. This has happened before, and has almost happened to many. Here is an example from the AMC Hornet SC/360 Registry:
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: My SC/360
Eddie,
I have a problem which needs to be addressed immediately. I retuned home on Sunday to fine two men peering in the windows of my garage, before I could even get out of my truck, the older one came over and told me he was here to buy my SC/360(which is NOT for sale!). I told them the car was not for sale, but they said they wanted to see it anyway. I didn't know these two from Adam, so I politely refused and asked them to leave. The older one told me again he was here to buy the car no matter what it took. I asked him how he even heard about the car, and he told me he tracked it through the VIN and my Name on your website, and got my address from the internet. I told them again, I would not show the car, and that they should leave, but they refused to leave until they saw the car. I ended up calling the police, and they finally left before they arrived. I gave the police their license plate#, which I learned today was stolen. When I came home from work tonight, my neighbor said there were two guys playing with my garage door which fit their description, they left when she said she was calling the police. The point of this letter is that someone, for some reason, is attempting to steal my car based on information off of your website, and I would like any information about me or my car to be removed immediately please. I'm sorry, but this is what I feel needs to be done at this point to guarantee the safety of my SC/360, and the other cars in my garage. By the way, I happen to belong to a 400 Firebird registry online which does not reveal the VIN of members' cars or their names if that is so desired. I would respect your privacy if it were the other way around, and hope you can do the same for me. Thank You.
Sincerely,
(name deleted)
So, as Matt said " Keep your car safely locked up so know one will know..."--I think that's pretty good advice!
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7XPacemaker wrote:With today's technology, I will not give the serial numbers of ANY of my cars. Items such as titles can be fabricated faster from someone's home computer than the DMV. This has happened before, and has almost happened to many. Here is an example from the AMC Hornet SC/360 Registry:
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: My SC/360
Eddie,
I have a problem which needs to be addressed immediately. I retuned home on Sunday to fine two men peering in the windows of my garage, before I could even get out of my truck, the older one came over and told me he was here to buy my SC/360(which is NOT for sale!). I told them the car was not for sale, but they said they wanted to see it anyway. I didn't know these two from Adam, so I politely refused and asked them to leave. The older one told me again he was here to buy the car no matter what it took. I asked him how he even heard about the car, and he told me he tracked it through the VIN and my Name on your website, and got my address from the internet. I told them again, I would not show the car, and that they should leave, but they refused to leave until they saw the car. I ended up calling the police, and they finally left before they arrived. I gave the police their license plate#, which I learned today was stolen. When I came home from work tonight, my neighbor said there were two guys playing with my garage door which fit their description, they left when she said she was calling the police. The point of this letter is that someone, for some reason, is attempting to steal my car based on information off of your website, and I would like any information about me or my car to be removed immediately please. I'm sorry, but this is what I feel needs to be done at this point to guarantee the safety of my SC/360, and the other cars in my garage. By the way, I happen to belong to a 400 Firebird registry online which does not reveal the VIN of members' cars or their names if that is so desired. I would respect your privacy if it were the other way around, and hope you can do the same for me. Thank You.
Sincerely,
(name deleted)
So, as Matt said " Keep your car safely locked up so know one will know..."--I think that's pretty good advice!
C.J.
Secure info is always a concern. There are criminals everywhere. It is statistically much more probable that a car will be stolen when parked at a restaurant or store. Criminals can get serial numbers from DMV by simply writing down your license plate number. These criminals are local so it is better than looking up a serial number on the internet. Or, they go to junk yards, car shows or any number of places. You would have to be a club member to access the data base. Keeping a serial number hidden in the data base is easy for those who don't want it known but the club can still use it to track a vehicle. It can also be made that when a club member reports their car stolen to the club (a status change), it's serial number will be shown as "stolen" should it ever be entered into the data base.
As a point of interest, collector cars have THE lowest rate of being stolen in the insurance industry. This is because owners take care of them. They park them in safe places, they don't drive them as much so the exposure is much less and they fuss about their cars much more. Collector car insurance is the cheapest available for these reasons.0 -
nhp1127 wrote:Secure info is always a concern. There are criminals everywhere. It is statistically much more probable that a car will be stolen when parked at a restaurant or store. Criminals can get serial numbers from DMV by simply writing down your license plate number. These criminals are local so it is better than looking up a serial number on the internet. Or, they go to junk yards, car shows or any number of places. You would have to be a club member to access the data base. Keeping a serial number hidden in the data base is easy for those who don't want it known but the club can still use it to track a vehicle. It can also be made that when a club member reports their car stolen to the club (a status change), it's serial number will be shown as "stolen" should it ever be entered into the data base.
As a point of interest, collector cars have THE lowest rate of being stolen in the insurance industry. This is because owners take care of them. They park them in safe places, they don't drive them as much so the exposure is much less and they fuss about their cars much more. Collector car insurance is the cheapest available for these reasons.
HET already makes available an online email list with hundreds of users worldwide. These people have opted to have this information online. BTW this information is available to the planet!
The email list also shows names and lists cars owned with no description or serial number just a basic list.
Security is not to be overlooked. Here's what I was planning...
A Guest account with limited access could be open to the planet. This user level wouldn't see names, emails, etc... but could see the list of cars, total knowns, pictures, etc..
A User Account where more detail is displayed would need to be an HET member and have an onscreen login.
Still the person who opts into the Registry could check what data is displayed and to what level of user.
Any data deemed "potentially" sensitive is either not stored in the DB or is encrypted with a hidden key. DB access is restricted to a system component making it nearly impossible access outside of the local computer without the proper keys.
I've done these systems plenty so have most of the infrastructure already coded and I don't consider this to be too excessive feature-wise and had planned on it being part of the prototype...once I get some data to work with...0 -
nhp1127 wrote:...how many 53 Hornet Coupes are located in California, or in the whole country? Or a search for just Hornet coupes in general? Or what is the earliest known Jet or the newest? Or how many four door 1948 Commodore 6 sedans VS Super Sixes, etc, etc....
It seems to me that it would be a ton of work, just so someone has access to a little trivia.0 -
royer wrote:It seems to me that it would be a ton of work, just so someone has access to a little trivia.
It is some work but the tools are already developed. Dan will let us know the labor intensity. Most don't consider knowing how many of a particular car still exist or identify a serial number as trivia, it is basic Hudson historical information. A major benefit of a data base is that it allows you to sort existing information anyway you like. This benefits everyone.0 -
It seems that Dan has my issues about locked up. I don't care about the HET'ers knowing my vin #'s, it just the other individuals that search the internet looking to ruin a good thing....0
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Any information can be abused but I think it could be offset by only making such historical info only available to club members. Then should anyone actually abuse it the club has all their information too. I don't think such nightmares are common All info about your car is voluntary too but the benefits toward preserving these cars would probably outweight such risks0
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No worries folks I have developed a retinal scan for security purposes please place your eye against your monitor when you hear the beep you have been verified. Do not move until you hear the beep....
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nhp1127 wrote:Secure info is always a concern. There are criminals everywhere. It is statistically much more probable that a car will be stolen when parked at a restaurant or store. Criminals can get serial numbers from DMV by simply writing down your license plate number. These criminals are local so it is better than looking up a serial number on the internet. Or, they go to junk yards, car shows or any number of places. You would have to be a club member to access the data base. Keeping a serial number hidden in the data base is easy for those who don't want it known but the club can still use it to track a vehicle. It can also be made that when a club member reports their car stolen to the club (a status change), it's serial number will be shown as "stolen" should it ever be entered into the data base.
As a point of interest, collector cars have THE lowest rate of being stolen in the insurance industry. This is because owners take care of them. They park them in safe places, they don't drive them as much so the exposure is much less and they fuss about their cars much more. Collector car insurance is the cheapest available for these reasons.
The point of the respondents comments is being overlooked. If it was not clear... the person who posted, stated the univited individuals were intent on getting to this car even though it was locked in a garage. Insurance on classic cars is cheaper because to get antique insurance you are required to sign an statement which limits the total mileage and types of use. All stated value insurance requires the car to be garaged in a LOCKED garage. My company required that I provide pictures of the car... as well as the garage and the locking capability. The experience of the individual with the AMC Hornet is NOT unique. I have too have had uninvited visitors come to my home asking to see my collector cars. In several cases it was obvious the visitor was scoping the security of my storage. I make no apologies to anyone about calling the police to verify the identity of those I did not know. In closing when someone shows up in your back yard with a roll back and U do not know who they are... the wiseman calls the Police... which I did. Today my cars are housed at a secure location inside a locked building. One time of having someone come to my home was enough. Believe me this can happen and does everyday.0 -
Heart_Of_Texas wrote:The point of the respondents comments is being overlooked. If it was not clear... the person who posted, stated the univited individuals were intent on getting to this car even though it was locked in a garage. Insurance on classic cars is cheaper because to get antique insurance you are required to sign an statement which limits the total mileage and types of use. All stated value insurance requires the car to be garaged in a LOCKED garage. My company required that I provide pictures of the car... as well as the garage and the locking capability. The experience of the individual with the AMC Hornet is NOT unique. I have too have had uninvited visitors come to my home asking to see my collector cars. In several cases it was obvious the visitor was scoping the security of my storage. I make no apologies to anyone about calling the police to verify the identity of those I did not know. In closing when someone shows up in your back yard with a roll back and U do not know who they are... the wiseman calls the Police... which I did. Today my cars are housed at a secure location inside a locked building. One time of having someone come to my home was enough. Believe me this can happen and does everyday.
Criminals that show up at your home or who get discovered when an owner is present are among the most dangerous people, typically with long and violent criminal records. One would be wise to leave the area immediately (like go to the neighbors) and call the police.0 -
I agree that security is definately an issue. My car always stays in a locked garage, and I am fortunate to have many neighbors around that help with any security issues. Unfortunately, there are low-lifes out there that will take advantage of anything (or anyone) they can.
On the other hand, I have had great personal experience with the benefits of having access to a database like what is being proposed. I think that there can be huge advantages to the club if this is executed properly.
The main reason that I have a Hudson is I believe they are truly great driving cars. I intend to drive my Hudson as much as I can. If I can't enjoy it out in public, I might as well not own it. If I want a car to keep under lock & key 24-7, I might buy the Pacer I always wanted:)
Anyone know the theft statistics for Pacers?
Matt0 -
The only thing you have to worry about with Pacers is people leaving them on your lawn:p0
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51hornetA wrote:The only thing you have to worry about with Pacers is people leaving them on your lawn:p
HEY!!! I resemble that post!!!!! Pacers were cute little things. We owned a '78, think it was, for a while. Neat little thing and fun to drive. We had the station wagon version so there wasn't as much glass as the other body styles to roast you to death. Only thing I couldn't find on that car was the little air valve - you know, the one you used to blow it up into it's final shape. hehehehe
But I still like the '83 AMC Eagle we had - those things would stick in a corner, 10 to 15 mph over the recommended speed limit, like velcro in heat. As good as a step-down coupe.
Hudsonly,
Alex B0 -
I thought the only value of AMC Pacers was to donate that front suspension to rod builders. With all the available Mustang ll kits now, I doubt this is even worthwhile. But.....I'm sure there's people out there that love em and think they're cute. That's what makes this hobby interesting.0
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faustmb wrote:I agree that security is definately an issue. My car always stays in a locked garage, and I am fortunate to have many neighbors around that help with any security issues. Unfortunately, there are low-lifes out there that will take advantage of anything (or anyone) they can.
On the other hand, I have had great personal experience with the benefits of having access to a database like what is being proposed. I think that there can be huge advantages to the club if this is executed properly.
The main reason that I have a Hudson is I believe they are truly great driving cars. I intend to drive my Hudson as much as I can. If I can't enjoy it out in public, I might as well not own it. If I want a car to keep under lock & key 24-7, I might buy the Pacer I always wanted:)
Anyone know the theft statistics for Pacers?
Matt
Actually, there was a nice Pacer at Hershey two years ago in the car corral. It had a pretty hefty price on it (sorry, can't remember) and I laughed. I was amazed when the car had a sold sign on it the same day it came in! The popularity of these UGLY cars are coming into their own. I love AMC's too- but the Pacer was a foolish car to build, as it competed with another one of their own cars in sales. It was a retooling disaster.0 -
If you haven't seen this, it's worth a read. I found it few years ago. The Pacer is even covered here;
http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/sml/
Matt:)0 -
No, no, no. You've got to have a Biturbo in your collection. And as far as J-bodies go, I prefer Cavalier wagons with Cimmaron power leather seats. Don't laugh, I've seen it.
The Cimmaron also had a 'neat' little digital guage cluster in it that would fit right into the dash of a 2-door Cavalier. I've got one of those clusters here... and a 2-door '89 Cav... and a supercharged 3800 V6 out of a GTP... hmmmm.....
A few years ago an e-mail came across my desk with thirty or so different car models listed on it, and a brief statement as to what driving that particular model said to the world about your personality. I'll have to find it, but a few notables I recall:
Volkswagen Golf - My mom won't let me buy a Porsche until I finish Algebra.
Honda Del Sol - I could only afford half of a convertible.
Porsche 924 - I am dating big haired women that would otherwise be innaccessible to me.
Cheers,
James0
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