"New" Engine

[Deleted User]
[Deleted User]
edited November -1 in HUDSON
Is anyone making replacement engines using modern materials and tighter clearances?



I am looking for a new 232 short block that I can drop into my 1950 Pacemaker Deluxe.:)

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  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Of course, you could put in a 308.... Dave's doing them, I think...



    also, since you're looking, consider rebuilding the one you got...



    Look up Dale COoper, he could set you up with what I consider a reasonably priced rebuild kit. Keep in mind, you will need to find a competent machine shop to do the machining work, and if you're not mechanically inclined, someone to put it together for you, but the materials are all available, and for sure, a lot easier, and cheaper to come by than they were 10-20 year ago.



    As far as modern materials, I don't know how much you know about hudsons, seing that you are a fairly new member, and only have a couple of posts, I'll go out on a limb and say this is likely your first hudson, and might not know a lot about them, but came to the right place.



    Why I say this is the fact that you were looking for a replacement block with modern materials. Hudson used probably the best alloy to construct their engines, not matched today, and even 50 years ago, were unrivaled. I think it was the high chromium content of the alloy that made it hard and strong. I doubt that even modern materials would match what hudson did back in the day.



    You will find out in time that what you got is truly an extrodinary car, albeit a pacemaker, you still got a car that was far superior to the other offerings in it's price range the same time the car was sold new.



    It has been said before, and I'll say it again, join the club, you're a bit west for the PA dutch chapter, but I think you might be close for the western reserve, an they seem to be an active and very helpful chapter.



    Good luck with the pace, and keep us posted.



    BTW, did you have it on a trailer at the local meet on SUnday in Carlisle? saw a 50 pace 4 door on a trailer, just thought maybe it wa sthe same car....
  • 7XPacemaker
    7XPacemaker Senior Contributor
    Dave Kostansek will rebuild any hudson engine. Keep in mind that it costs about the same amount of money to build a 232 as it does the 308......
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Yes, this is my first Hudson. I could not bare to see it leave the family (it was my wife's grandparents car). After they passed away, my mother-in-law bought it from the estate (paid her sister half the value) and kept it in the garage. It needed a new home and I asked my wife if we could have it. It cost us $1.00 plus 13% slaes tax and $500 for delivery.



    I was asking about modern matierals and blocks because fo the over heating problems with the 232s. I thought maybe a new block would be better ported for the cooling system.



    I wanted to keep the look original but I may go with the high pressure tap on the water pump and tap the block by 1 and 6.



    My mother-in-law told me her dad did have a little trouble with overheating if he was not driving on the highway since he drove off the lot.



    I will be looking for a "new" water pump with the tighest clearances possible to eliminate the cavitating.



    Membership app is in the mail on the way to Kansas.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    One other thing - don't be fooled into thinking the Pacemaker was a plain vanilla, generic or sub-standard Stepdown Hudson. I have a 52 - the last year the Pace was kept alive and I'll tell you something: Inside that 4 door arena, you feel as if you have more room than some of today's minivans, and plenty of power to haul six adults just about anywhere you want to go.... be proud of it from start to...... well, there is no Finish really, you just keep restoring it until you can't get anymore polish out of the rag or your elbow.
  • EssexAdv
    EssexAdv Expert Adviser, Member
    Thought you might like to know, Hudson's were not prone to overheating. You should find out where the problem is prior to modifying the car. If you do as you say and modify the cooling system, you will be fixing the symptom at best. Take a look at the water distribution tube behind the water pump (It does the same thing your modification would do) if it is corroded, you found your problem
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    EssexAdv wrote:
    Thought you might like to know, Hudson's were not prone to overheating. You should find out where the problem is prior to modifying the car. If you do as you say and modify the cooling system, you will be fixing the symptom at best. Take a look at the water distribution tube behind the water pump (It does the same thing your modification would do) if it is corroded, you found your problem




    From everyone I've talked to included, Lewis is right. Hudsons were not prone to overheating. Another thing to take a look at is having your radiator boiled and cleaned. If it's never been done, it's likely pretty grody. I've been negligent in finding a good Hudson radiator cap for Doc as her's is bad and I don't want to put a newer type with the pressure release lever on her ('cause I'm just silly that way). Subsequently, if I only fill the rad. up about 3/4 of the way, fluid won't spill out. As for Doc overheating, I can let her idle on a 90-degree day ALL DAY LONG, BUT, her system has been thoroughly cleaned out.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    The history of this particular Pacemaker is that it overheated in city driving (summer) since it was purchased.



    I will check the distribution tube when I can get to it. Is there a limit on boring the holes out a little bigger?



    Radiator has been scoped and checks out fine. No corrosion or build up.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Hudson308 wrote:
    Three things you should always check on a Hudson that runs warm are TIMING, TIMING and last but not least... THE TIMING. I've had Hudson engines that run hot if the ignition timing is either advanced OR retarded... and it doesn't take much! One other thing you might want to check is the timing. :D



    ive had the same thing with a ford 6 as well. it was pinging and overheating and generally going apes*** so i fiddled with the timing on the roadside and voila! problem solved (at least that time)
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