Champion H-11's
I just put in a set of nos champion H-11's in my 54 hornet sedan. I wasn't expecting any noticable difference but boy was I wrong. I've been running both H-10's and Ac';s and the H-11's run better. THe car idles smoother and accelerates quicker.
I know that may sound crazy but it's true. Why can't we get Champion to run off a bactch H-11's for the Hudson Club??? Does anyone have any idea's about how to do that ?
I know that may sound crazy but it's true. Why can't we get Champion to run off a bactch H-11's for the Hudson Club??? Does anyone have any idea's about how to do that ?
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Harry, my understanding was that Champion used to do exactly that, run off plugs made to order. That was some time ago and things may have changed. I know Wix filters will do that. Sounds like you might want to call them and see.What's the worst they can tell you?0
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I've sent an email inquiry to Federal-Mogul, Champion's parent company. I guess we'll have to wait and see if a response is forthcoming.0
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harry54 wrote:
Thats the one but you have to be a Wix distributor . For example ,if I go to NAPA and order an obsolete number THEY can put through the order and Wix will run a short run. I was told at Wix some distributors will order 12 of this ,8 of that and so on. Wix stocks nothing all orders are made to order. No more stocking 5oo of this number or 1000 of that number. The distributors tell Wix how many to make and Wix makes them. No more money tied up in materials and inventory.0 -
Hudzilla,
I called champion today. They told me that they wouldn't set up to do a special order unless it was 300,000 units or more. That would put it a fairly substantial cost. I guess there aren't enough stepdown owners out there that would be willing to fill that number.... But you never know.0 -
Harry put me down for 18 so you only need 299,802 so if we can get 49967 more people involved we are good to go....0
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Harry, This is the kind of thing that as a club we should be doing. For an individual to do this makes it very hard, but as a group we should consider doing this kind of thing . It's not just this but other things as well,like rocker panels,stainless trim etc. It may not be workable in all cases but some of these things would be great to have in the club store. Hudson jewelry is fine but what we really need are parts to keep Hudsons running.0
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Yep we may not be a huge car club but we can still use some economies of scale in ways that individually we can't do. actually you you figure there's maybe 3000 of us that need sparkplugs so multiply that by 2 because most of use own more than one Hudson on average and by 6 and 8 (for number of cyls.) ..probably still not enough..... however other car clubs might also
have a need for the same sized plugs. Some things were more standard in the '50's.
Anyone ever hear of H-45 spark plugs? They have a smaller porclain stem and supposedly run hotter for engines that tend to burn oil. The story I got was they were made for Caddy's one year because a lot of a certain engine left the factory burning oil and they did that and corrected the problem the next model year.0 -
Hudzilla,
That sounds good to me. Do you think the Club would check into it ? Who should I call ? I think the club store is the place. I agree. I'll be Happy to buy my H-11's from the Club store.... What do you think ??0 -
Well Harry , most likely it's going to take action from the membership via the regional directors and then be considered by the club leadership for any action. The individual who runs the store really would need input I'm sure before purchasing anything of this caliber. I know the KF club does this but what they do is add the cost of obtaining certain things to the club membership dues. That money is set aside then ,in a pool for purchasing reproduced items that benefit the membership. Something like that may work for us as well. Or a least perhaps a modified version of it. The spark plug idea you and Aaron have brought up may be a good place to start.0
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Thank you Hudzilla,
I'm available to help if I can in any way. Thanks0 -
Specifically, which Hudsons could use the H-11 size spark plug? This would determine the eventual customer base.0
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All 308 Hornets0
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You can put me down for at least 4 or 5 sets
J Lombard0 -
I have just done a cross reference on your H11 Champion spark plugs.
The equivelent in NGK is B-4L which is readily available, at least here in Australia.
Type NGK Spark Plugs into your search engine, go to spark plugs, then cross reference type in H11 and you come up with NGK B-4L.
I have a set in my 1942 Hudson. Available from my local Supercheap Auto store.
I also have just replaced H10 in my 1965 Rambler with NGK B-6L
Hope this helps.
Les.P. Down Under.0 -
I think that the point being made by having H11's reproduced is to maintain originality.0
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That is fine, BUT, who is going to pay for 300,000 spark plugs.??? You would find that a person will not but them until he needs them now.
. I have many Hudson parts here in stock, some rare items, such as 25877T rear wheel bearings, which are as rare as hen's teeth, I have advertised them here and got one, yes one reply. So I feel that to have 300,00 plugs made and for the club to kick the can for members to buy them only when they need them would be money wasted, how long would it take to sell 300,000 spark plugs.????
My sums work out we would have to sell to 50,000 sets, do we have 50,000 308 motors world wide.???
I know only too well it is good to keep our cars original, but, when parts become unavailable we must buy what is available at this time, and who is going to be so judge mental to say you have the wrong brand of spark plugs in your motor.??0 -
Dave,
I will buy 150,000 plugs if you match me and we can then sell them for a dollar more a set to HET'ers we will make a killing its a sure thing......0 -
Does anyone know what other cars used H-11s? If other cars used H-11s, maybe the other car clubs would be interested making a group buy.0
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51hornetA wrote:Dave,
I will buy 150,000 plugs if you match me and we can then sell them for a dollar more a set to HET'ers we will make a killing its a sure thing......
Considering the price per unit when purchasing 300k pieces, it may just be a possibility. But let's wait until after the holidays.:)0 -
mars55 wrote:Does anyone know what other cars used H-11s? If other cars used H-11s, maybe the other car clubs would be interested making a group buy.
Here is a "partial" list of others that used H-11's:
Flathead Chrysler, Ford, Graham, Lincoln, Mercury, Studebaker cars as well as cars equipped with Offenhauser heads. Many tractor and small engine manufacturers also used them. I purchased a quantity of them at an old farm supply store. It appears that H11's were a very common plug at one time.0 -
Huddy42 wrote:That is fine, BUT, who is going to pay for 300,000 spark plugs.??? You would find that a person will not but them until he needs them now.
. I have many Hudson parts here in stock, some rare items, such as 25877T rear wheel bearings, which are as rare as hen's teeth, I have advertised them here and got one, yes one reply. So I feel that to have 300,00 plugs made and for the club to kick the can for members to buy them only when they need them would be money wasted, how long would it take to sell 300,000 spark plugs.????
My sums work out we would have to sell to 50,000 sets, do we have 50,000 308 motors world wide.???
I know only too well it is good to keep our cars original, but, when parts become unavailable we must buy what is available at this time, and who is going to be so judge mental to say you have the wrong brand of spark plugs in your motor.??
Although I understand your point, I'm surely not the only vintage car collector who can be considered "judgemental." when it comes to a "correct" restoration of their cars. I have very high standards to satisfy, mine. Since H-11 plugs were not exclusive to Hudson automobiles, and many other manufacturers used them, I would think that a market for them does exist.0 -
Dave53-7C wrote:Although I understand your point, I'm surely not the only vintage car collector who can be considered "judgemental." when it comes to a "correct" restoration of their cars. I have very high standards to satisfy, mine. Since H-11 plugs were not exclusive to Hudson automobiles, and many other manufacturers used them, I would think that a market for them does exist.
I understand that.....when I hit the lottery, I want a rotissierrie Hudson (or five). I figure finding J7 plugs will be darn near impossible.0 -
goto wal mart, buy the h-10's on the shelf for $1.29 each, get your hudson set-up to run on them. end of story.0
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Hey maybe you can get one of those Chinese copycat companies to make the H-11 for about 10 cents each? They make everything else!
Seriously, I think this is a real long shot. Not saying you should not try but there seem to be viable alternatives out there and trying to get any club(s) interested in investing over $100K to do this is very questionable. Maybe someone knows someone at Champion that could pull some strings? I am sure the response you got was a canned one to scare off folks that want a couple of sets of plugs.0 -
H-10's are not as hot as h-11's. Also I checked the NGK web site and it says that the b6-L plug replaces the H-10/s . THe plugs of today are meant to run with Fuel injection engines. Once you flood your carberator once the plug will start to foul up. The older plugs have a protective coating on them and don't foul up as fast......
http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/24-2526.html?id=uKVrhnBT0 -
I do not mean to discourage those members who wish to buy a production run of H-11's....by all means...go for it! It would be a very good thing for the club.
But I do just wish to mention, in all fairness, that I have run the NGK B6L's in the Stepdowns I have owned....and the 2 '53's and the 2 '54's never ran better than when they had the NGK's in them.
be well...have fun
Bob from NH0 -
I have run the ngk's as well and they ran fine. Probably be easier to paint up a set of those to look like champions. I know for certain Dave does this in his basement all the time......
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51hornetA wrote:I have run the ngk's as well and they ran fine. Probably be easier to paint up a set of those to look like champions. I know for certain Dave does this in his basement all the time......
Actually, I do it in my heated garage using gun bluing.
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harry54 wrote:H-10's are not as hot as h-11's. Also I checked the NGK web site and it says that the b6-L plug replaces the H-10/s . THe plugs of today are meant to run with Fuel injection engines. Once you flood your carberator once the plug will start to foul up. The older plugs have a protective coating on them and don't foul up as fast......
http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/24-2526.html?id=uKVrhnBT
Yet another good reason to use the plugs that the engine manufacturer originally specified. In case anyone needs to know, H-12's are still available.0
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