Kero Heaters for the Garage
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New Topic since it is cold in my garage and I can not do any priming, painting or chemical conversion of surface rust.......
Do you have a favorite Kerosene (K-2), job-site type heater that you use in your garage to take the chill off and still keep working through the cold, dark winter?
My garage has a window with a fan to help ventilation.
Do you have a favorite Kerosene (K-2), job-site type heater that you use in your garage to take the chill off and still keep working through the cold, dark winter?
My garage has a window with a fan to help ventilation.
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Pacemaker500 wrote:New Topic since it is cold in my garage and I can not do any priming, painting or chemical conversion of surface rust.......
Do you have a favorite Kerosene (K-2), job-site type heater that you use in your garage to take the chill off and still keep working through the cold, dark winter?
My garage has a window with a fan to help ventilation.
I have used a standard Kerosun heater and also a torpedo heater. They both work well, providing that you are using no chemicals or paints. If you want to use chemicals or paints- heat the garage, shut off the heater, and then do your thing! I had a one gallon can of carb cleaner that ate through the bottom of the can last week. The kerosun was on. When I got home and went into my garage, my eyes began watering almost instantly! Just please be careful.0 -
Pacemaker500 wrote:New Topic since it is cold in my garage and I can not do any priming, painting or chemical conversion of surface rust.......
Do you have a favorite Kerosene (K-2), job-site type heater that you use in your garage to take the chill off and still keep working through the cold, dark winter?
My garage has a window with a fan to help ventilation.
Rent or buy a infrared heater, could be electric, propane, natural gas, or heat lamps (NOT Halogens, infrared bulbs) this will heat the object and the object will radiate heat - it's also awesome for quick drying the primer.
I'm planning on 2 - 40,000 BTU propane powered ones for my 22x40 shop - but, I'm in the process of gutting the shops and trying to paint before I move. I think by the time I move and finally get things arranged it will be getting towards the end of Jan. and then there's only a small amount of time I would need heat this year...So, for now I got a hanging/fan type 220v electric heater to help take the chill off - the price was right FREE!
A smaller infrared one won't heat your garage - but would get you by I think to do your parts....
Something like this you could make your own stand so you could move it around and position it correctly - NOTE: I may still get a couple of these to mount on stands!
Grainger 550w Infrared Heater
OR here's another link to Infratech Standard Medium Wave Systems and several of the types of infrared lights I mentioned - these are more expensive than the Grainger unit - but maybe you could find a rental place for one of these styles?
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Just keep in mind that most national building codes do not allow an open flame in a space used to house gasoline powered vehicles. With that being said, damage (fire) caused by ignoring code requirements can result in your insurance carrier denying resulting claims.0
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Not sure if the catalytic types have the same problem, but the torpedo types (that burn kerosene or propane directly) will add the "products of combustion" to the atmosphere of the shop, and one of those is water. I used a torpedo propane exactly once- got the place nice and warm, but as humid as a greenhouse. Would have been impossible to paint in there- ended up with condensation on the car, and it wouldn't dry off, because you keep adding more water from the heater! Would work better in an open shop, which would ventilate better.0
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Dave53-7C wrote:Just keep in mind that most national building codes do not allow an open flame in a space used to house gasoline powered vehicles. With that being said, damage (fire) caused by ignoring code requirements can result in your insurance carrier denying resulting claims.
I know what you mean. I keep waiting for the day that "Big Brother" tells me I can't have my Natural Gas water heater in my garage.0 -
Dan, you have what I intend to put in my shop sometime this Summer (cheaper then!). With 38x65 to heat, I still need to research how many units will warm the garage at least to 50 degrees min. It doesn't have to be toasty warm, but in those eight or so weeks where the weather here warrants a good shop heat source, the radiant heaters seem to be the ticket.0
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66patrick66 wrote:Dan, you have what I intend to put in my shop sometime this Summer (cheaper then!). With 38x65 to heat, I still need to research how many units will warm the garage at least to 50 degrees min. It doesn't have to be toasty warm, but in those eight or so weeks where the weather here warrants a good shop heat source, the radiant heaters seem to be the ticket.
These are the style I would like to get (propane or natural gas) - nice thing about infrared - no flame and can be used in garage while painting.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/itemDetailsRender.shtml?ItemId=1612528976
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royer wrote:I know what you mean. I keep waiting for the day that "Big Brother" tells me I can't have my Natural Gas water heater in my garage.
You'll get the word from "Big Brother" alright...AFTER something happens and right before the insurance company says NO to your claim. Although sometimes laws and rules may seem silly, I for one don't ignore them if doing so might cause damage, injury or loss.0 -
Dave53-7C wrote:You'll get the word from "Big Brother" alright...AFTER something happens and right before the insurance company says NO to your claim. Although sometimes laws and rules may seem silly, I for one don't ignore them if doing so might cause damage, injury or loss.
I'm current with Clark County codes (the house is only 5 yrs old).
If Nevada start's dictating that the gas water heaters go somewhere else other than the garage, I guess we'll all just have our water heaters sitting out in the yard. Basements are far and few between here in the desert southwest.0 -
royer wrote:I'm current with Clark County codes (the house is only 5 yrs old).
If Nevada start's dictating that the gas water heaters go somewhere else other than the garage, I guess we'll all just have our water heaters sitting out in the yard. Basements are far and few between here in the desert southwest.
If the water heater being located in the garage is an "As Built" condition, you're OK. As fas as not having a basement, the water heater can go outside, next to the house, just like in some parts of southern California. Or, a wall hung unit can be placed inside the home (ala European countries) or point of use electric units can be installed at each fixture location. If you opt to install a heating appliance in your garage which does not comply with code requirements, and you suffer a loss as a result, it's on you. Furthermore, if you sell your home and the buyers have an inspection which reveals some wacky install to be unsafe or code inappropriate, you've got a problem. Do things right the first time and be safe.
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that tube heater that Dan is showing is in my opinion the way to go. And I am a professional heating guy by the way. The reason I like them is that if you look again at the picture the round part facing us is the air intake for the burner. It is designed to hook up to an outside air source if needed and I would recommend it. That way you have no exposed open flame at all in your work space. We use them all the time up here and they are very efficient and heat via radiation so all the objects below are heated. The only downside I find(I have one in my shop) is that they have a tendency to be a little warm on the head and back if you are working directly under them.0
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IMHO, $1,000.00 for a 50k BTU heater (of any design) is ridiculous amount to spend. Just because something is available for sale doesn't mean that it is allowed to be used everywhere or in every application. Code requirements vary from place to place. I've encountered many (private) garages that use everything from wood fired pot belly stoves to waste oil heaters. Admittedly, they do work well. However, that does not mean that they should be used in such applications. Even those most of us have the mechanical ability to install a furnace, we should defer to those in the business who are aware of safe practices and code requirements.0
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Dave53-7C wrote:IMHO, $1,000.00 for a 50k BTU heater (of any design) is ridiculous amount to spend. Just because something is available for sale doesn't mean that it is allowed to be used everywhere or in every application. Code requirements vary from place to place. I've encountered many (private) garages that use everything from wood fired pot belly stoves to waste oil heaters. Admittedly, they do work well. However, that does not mean that they should be used in such applications. Even those most of us have the mechanical ability to install a furnace, we should defer to those in the business who are aware of safe practices and code requirements.
True, I think this grainger unit I linked to is a tad overpriced - I just used it as a quick reference to the style of infrared heater that I think works best in a shop environment.
My buddy who owns a bodyshop in Kirkland, located in King County, WA. which is about as bad as living in CA for regulations runs 3 of these style infrared heaters, he bought his last one (Space Ray) which is 60ft long and about 120000BTU for about 1200.00 and change.
He's never had any issues with either the Puget Sound Air Quality Control or the local Fire Department who does yearly inspections.0 -
royer wrote:I know what you mean. I keep waiting for the day that "Big Brother" tells me I can't have my Natural Gas water heater in my garage.
Well, if you have a live pilot light and have built up gasoline fumes or are painting - you might never have a problem...or you could blow your house/garage off the foundation!
Some regulations are good!0 -
royer wrote:I'm current with Clark County codes (the house is only 5 yrs old).
If Nevada start's dictating that the gas water heaters go somewhere else other than the garage, I guess we'll all just have our water heaters sitting out in the yard. Basements are far and few between here in the desert southwest.
Mine's in the garage as well, moved it out of the house when I built the laundry room. As long as its vented thru the roof and on a 18" stand my gas heater is okay here......hope they don't change it!0 -
rambos_ride wrote:True, I think this grainger unit I linked to is a tad overpriced - I just used it as a quick reference to the style of infrared heater that I think works best in a shop environment.
My buddy who owns a bodyshop in Kirkland, located in King County, WA. which is about as bad as living in CA for regulations runs 3 of these style infrared heaters, he bought his last one (Space Ray) which is 60ft long and about 120000BTU for about 1200.00 and change.
He's never had any issues with either the Puget Sound Air Quality Control or the local Fire Department who does yearly inspections.
Indeed, Grainger hardly ever has any bargains. To be expected from a company that sells to the trades who, in turn, simply mark up the items even more to their customers. I'm sure that your friend hasn't had a problem with PSAQ or the Fire Dept. But as you mention, these installations are in a body shop. As such, commercial applications are governed by different code requirements that residential properties. If the subject property is in an unincorporated area, usually anything goes.0
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