Hudson Jet engine wanted

Hudsonrules
Hudsonrules Senior Contributor
edited November -1 in HUDSON
:)I am considering installing a Hudson Jet engine in my '41 traveler. Does anyone have a complete good used one that is not to far from Nevada. Otherwise I have to rebuild the 212, but am unable to find a shop that knows anything about the babbit bearings in the splasher. Next question, will the Jet engine bolt to the '41 transmission? Thanks for any help. Arnie

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  • ArkieJazz
    ArkieJazz Member
    Why not let Allan Saffran down in the Phoenix area rebuild your 212? Have you ever tried to find an oil pump drive gear for a Jet engine? They're not readily found. The Jet engine is a good motor, but I think you'd be better off sticking with what you have...IMHO.
  • Unknown
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    You might contact FRANK SPRING.



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  • Geoff
    Geoff Senior Contributor
    Hudsonrules wrote:
    :)I am considering installing a Hudson Jet engine in my '41 traveler. Does anyone have a complete good used one that is not to far from Nevada. Otherwise I have to rebuild the 212, but am unable to find a shop that knows anything about the babbit bearings in the splasher. Next question, will the Jet engine bolt to the '41 transmission? Thanks for any help. Arnie



    If you use a Jet you will have to use the whole unit - engine, clutch, and transmission, as there is no compatibility between any other model Hudson. You will have to re-arrange the clutch throwout mechanism, as it is different. The power output of the Jet is slightly more than the 212, and the engine is slightly longer, having four main bearings. However, bear in mind that parts are difficult to obtain for the 202 motor, particularly bearings, and as mentioned the oil pump gear. The only interchangeable parts are the clutch (Hash), pistons (all '34-'47 6's, and up to '52 8's), and the valve lifters (Step-down).

    Geoff.
  • Hudsy Wudsy
    Hudsy Wudsy Senior Contributor
    Hudsonrules wrote:
    :)I am considering installing a Hudson Jet engine in my '41 traveler. Does anyone have a complete good used one that is not to far from Nevada. Otherwise I have to rebuild the 212, but am unable to find a shop that knows anything about the babbit bearings in the splasher. Next question, will the Jet engine bolt to the '41 transmission? Thanks for any help. Arnie



    Rods are no big deal at all. I'll get back to you shortly with a couple of sources. I might even have a set myself. When in doubt, keep the vehicle original. It's survived nearly sixty seven years. At this point in it's existence, it will probably be around long after your gone. Once it's modified, it will likely remain that way forever to the possible disatisfaction and disappointment of future owners. If possible try to think of your ownership as also being stewardship. If not now, in future years it will be meaningful to say that "It's just as it was the day it was delivered!"

    It's possible that your Traveler may have had the 175 cid (shorter stroke) engine. I think that we can tell from the engine number. Can you other gents remind me again how to determine that? We'll need to know that for sure before you order rods. I'll get back to you in a day or two...
  • mars55
    mars55 Senior Contributor
    If the car originally had 212 cid engine there will be a "L" in the serial number. For example 10-L-101. But the engine may have changed. If the engine number starts with a 10, 20 or 40 it's a 175 cid unless there is a "L" in the number then it's a 212 cid. All other start numbers are 212 cid.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    OK, I'll play.....Did Hudson really make a gas-turbine (JET) engine?



    lol....
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Since I don't know anything about 41 Travelers, I can't say whether installing a 202 would involve a considerable amount of work. Have you looked into the possibility of using a Stepdown engine & trans combo? There are other folks who have put these in their trucks. Perhaps some of those folks will give you their input on this idea.



    I can tell you that with a 202 (from a Jet) you will have to modify the front engine mounting plate. I don't know if a 202 from a Hash Wasp would require the same modification. As Geoff stated, you will need a matching transmission(hopefully, it would be an O/D trans).



    If you are still interested in the 202, you might want to contact John Soneff in Colorado. He recently was selling two Jet motors on ebay and I don't know if he found a buyer.



    Kevin
  • Hudsonrules
    Hudsonrules Senior Contributor
    :)Thanks guys, Your information is really appreciated. I have not pulled the engine out yet, that is a project in the next month or two. The car serial number does have a letter in it of to the side. The car also has an overdrive transmission which according to my bool was only available with the 212 or "8" cylinder engines.. I am sure it would be best if kept origional as it is no longer a daily driver and probably has not been for quite some time. It has a 1974 license plate and I did start it once for a couple seconds, Again I say thanks and I am sure it will remain as a '41 should be when new.
  • Hudsy Wudsy
    Hudsy Wudsy Senior Contributor
    Here's two sources for rebabitting:



    Harkin Machine Shop

    903 43rd St NE

    Watertown, SD 57201

    United States

    605-886-7880

    "Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 6 pm. Rebabbitting engine bearings and complete rebuilding of antique car engines."

    Tom Harkin has been in business many years in Watertown, South Dakota. He advertises regularly in Hemmings Motor News. While he does a lot of Model A work, he can handle plenty of other rebabbitting jobs as well. It's been two or three years since I spoke with him last, but at that time he quoted me $35.00 @ rod journal for a Hudson splasher. That's a lot cheaper than many. He doesn't require that you ship him your crank if you don't want, but rathers that you at least have it turned first and then give him precise journal sizes. He has the necessary jig/mold to rebabbitt your main bearing shells (they're removable) as well. Because main bearings on Hudson splashers are replaceable, you might think that they are readily available, but they are pretty scarce. You might try Dale Cooper, Egge machine or Kanter, if you insist on installing new mains.



    This ebay seller has Hudson rods on hand:



    http://stores.ebay.com/Vintage-Automobile-Parts_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQQtZkm



    You'll need to know that the forging number on your rods is #157369 when talking to him.

    Lastly, are sure that your engine absoluely needs to be totally rebuilt? Engines that have sat a very long time can suffer from shrunken gaskets (front and rear seals, and valve cover, usually) and a tendency for rings to stick to the pistons, but the gaskets and seals can be dealt with and the rings wil usually loosen up and reseat with time.
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