1st or second series

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edited November -1 in HUDSON
Hi all! Can anybody give me their opinion? In Don Butlers book he states that the model S 2nd series started with vin # 29395 but, at this web site [url]Http://groups.msn.com/HudsonGeneralSpecifications/19201929hudsonserialnrs.msnw[/url] they're very specific in stating the model S 2nd series of 1928 started with #29325 and up. The latter matches up with my vin # of 29379 and also my engine matches up with a 2nd series type. Now, if Don Butler was correct then, my engine was replaced where it should have been a series 1 and the specifics on the web site are wrong. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong,just trying to set things right. Is my car a series 1 or 2. With all the specific facts Don has in his book could he have had a missprint? It's hard to believe he made a mistake or got bad info but, it's possible. Then again so too, the web site could have. Did they run out of series 1 engines and begin to put series 2 in series 1 or was the engine replaced later?Lots of questions. Need help in deciding. Anyone know the real numbers or facts? Again, any insight would be greatly appreciated Phil

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  • Jon B
    Jon B Administrator
    Phil, Alex Burr's Hudson Handbook gives the break-off as serial #29395, happening on July 1, 1928. Unless, that is, Alex has issued any updates on that (my copy of the Handbook is a few years old and I haven't been careful about updating it).



    When I clicked your link I got a 'no such page' message, so I'm not sure where you found that number. If by any chance it's Alex's page, then either the webpage or the book may have a mis-print.... 29395 is very similar to 29325.



    Maybe Alex will jump in here and solve this riddle....if he's come up from the storm cellar yet (foul weather in Tennessee)
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Sorry Jon It should be specification(s), I corrected Phil
  • Jon B
    Jon B Administrator
    Phil, I got in touch with Alex, and it should be 29395.



    By the way, apparently you are looking at his old website over on MSN. Look for a link to the new one over on freewebs. At some point in the future Alex may close the MSN one down, possibly.
  • Geoff
    Geoff Senior Contributor
    Lots of things occurred at change-over times, and I'm sure that Hudson would use up all the parts they had, as an economic matter. For instance, two owners of pretty original 1927 Essex here in N.Z. have cars that are close around the change-over time for 1st and second series, and both cars have bits of both series in them. One has a short stroke motor, and 20" wheels, and the other, even though within the very early range of serial numbers for second series, has the older square body. Some '28 Hudsons have 10" headlamps, and some have 11", and during the change-over period, it was possible for the first lot of cars to still have the earlier headlamps until stocks were used up. Lots of early '35 Terraplanes here had wire wheels, even though they were not listed as an option for '35, so they obvioulsy used up all the old '34 wheels on the export models.

    Geoff.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    I just found a raised letter forging on the bell housing area stating 3 27 28 so I guess that matches as a 1st series engine but my carbuerator is pot metal and Dave Kostensek said it's a (later in the year) carb as the early ones were bronze. I only wish I could see some pictures of engines other than mine to compare with. Come on guys. Post some pictures of your engines.I plan to post some of mine! Phil
  • Geoff
    Geoff Senior Contributor
    The bronze carburettors were only used on first series 1927 Hudsons. Second series '27's had pot metal carbrettors, and the plugs were on the left side.
  • hudsontech
    hudsontech Senior Contributor
    I've moved much of my MSN sites over to this new site:



    www.freewebs.com/hudsontech



    I'm out of the storm cellar and we dodged the tornado storms last night.





    Hudsonly,

    Alex Burr

    HudsonTech

    Memphis TN
  • Geoff
    Geoff Senior Contributor
    Geoff C., N.Z. wrote:
    The bronze carburettors were only used on first series 1927 Hudsons. Second series '27's had pot metal carbrettors, and the plugs were on the left side.



    Did I say "Left"??? I'm getting soft in the crust! I meant to say drivers side, then I remembered that our cars are right hand drive here, and got totally bamboozled! Of course, on the second series motors, and '29's, the spark plugs are on the right hand side, protruding horizontally from the cylinder head. this is a considerable improvement on the first series F-head, which had the plugs on top of the cylinder head, leaving a blind spot in the combustion chamber, and led to detonation.

    Geoff.
  • essexcoupe3131
    essexcoupe3131 Senior Contributor
    With all that infomation tucked up inside your head you must get it wrong once in awhile, imagine if we didnt have access to your grey matter, we would all be in deep trouble and it would be a lot harder for alot of people

    Mike
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