Bill of Sale = Title

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edited November -1 in HUDSON
Quick question, anyone have experienced buying car with Dealer's Bill of Sale, if so what is procedure to secure proper title in my name. Or is there anyone with Hudson title and triangle door badge that is for sale, if so HOW MUCH?



Thanks,



Ray

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  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Ray wrote:
    Quick question, anyone have experienced buying car with Dealer's Bill of Sale, if so what is procedure to secure proper title in my name. Or is there anyone with Hudson title and triangle door badge that is for sale, if so HOW MUCH?



    Thanks,



    Ray



    probably should call that a "historical document" I don't know of the ethics of selling an actual vin plate and title, but I guess some less than scrupulous individuals would do something like that.



    And if someone out there has a 51 pacemaker coupe, that has no title, and is good restorable, let me know. :eek:



    I can make your problem my problem. :D
  • nick s
    nick s Senior Contributor
    It varies state to state. For nevada i think you don't have much problem at all as that's why some of the "title services" are located there. I expect you can take in your paperwork sign a paper swearing that you legally own the car they will run the vin and issue a title. I was exploring this issue my self, ohio where I'm located will not even accept the paperwok from the title services but I know many states will accept a bill of sale on older vehicles. It can also depend on where the car is from as some states do not title older vehicles or have only begun titling in the last 30 years.
  • hudsontech
    hudsontech Senior Contributor
    A few years back I helped a couple Hudson folks, one in MA and one in OH, obtain titles for their cars.

    The main problem they had was the state required a 17 alpha/digit VIN. And in both cases would not accept a 481-301500000000, etc, number (for example).

    What I did was (and this took a lot of faith in both cases) have them "sell" me the car, sending me a bill of sale. Then with that bill of sale I went to the registration office and applied for a title, telling them I was selling the car to a buyer in a state that required a title. In Maine a title was not required for either of these cars due to age. Once I had the title, which cost at that time around $50 as I recall, I simply "sold" the cars back to the original owners signing the titles over to the "new" owner. Problem solved. There are ways around bureaucracy if you work at it long enough. :)

    Unfortunately, I don't live in the state of Maine anymore.



    Hudsonly,

    Alex Burr

    HudsonTech

    Memphis, TN
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    in Kansas all is needed is a bill of sale and a vin verification from the hi-po on 1950- 1972 automobiles . 49 and older all is needed is a bill of sale to get a tittle .

    i tittled my 1929 model a and my 51 hudson this way

    mike
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Pennsylvania seems to be pretty sticky. I bought out of state cars and had to have tracings of the serial # to go along with the Notarized Title for transfer. I'm not sure how they would do with a bill of sale. Possibly go thru another state to get a title and then transfer to PA. I think they're also concerned with collecting a reasonable amount of sales tax on the transaction as I bought a late model used truck last year privately and paid cash. The seller had to issue me a signed bill of sale for the amount paid. Pa. got there 6%
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Luckily, Nevada repealed the sales tax on privately sold vehicles, but unluckily the DMV won't even look at you without a title.

    Ray, I sent you a pm with the number of some people to call.
  • Hudsy Wudsy
    Hudsy Wudsy Senior Contributor
    I purchased a Hudson off of the back of a tow truck as it was heading to a scrap metal dealer (Schwartzman's in Anoka, Jerry) many years ago. The title was lost, but I was able to get a hold of the elderly owner (in North Dakota) to sign a bill of sale for me. That's more detail than you need to know, but I just want you to know that they required that I bond the title. I thought that might be some insumountable hurdle, but in fact it was a simple inexpensive process that just required a few bucks and a phone call to my insurance agent. The bond was for $5,000 to protect the State of Minnesota should they be sued by some unknown, but legitimate owner of the Hudson. Anyway, I only tell you all of that in case your state wants you to bond the title - it's no big deal.
  • SamJ
    SamJ Senior Contributor
    I'd suggest going to a good restoration/hot rod shop in your area and ask them how to do it. They can probably tell you what paper, forms, signatures, etc. you need. Then when you get to the DMV you'll have your act together and you'll say the right things/avoid saying the wrong things. :cool:
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Tennessee requires a Bill of Sale and the last registration for the car or truck. My coupe came from Georgia (no title) Took me a year to get a clear title from Nashville because the car had not been licensed in 10 years and the seller did not have the registration. Somebody in Nashville took pity on me and sent me to a guy in Knoxville who got me the title.
    Bob
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    I just want to express my thanks to you all with good advise and benefit of your experience's. I've contacted Broadway Title Company titles@broadwaytitle.com they were closed and I'll probably have to wait until Monday for reply; supposely for $149.00 fee, 8 -10 weeks waiting time this company will provide title, Bill of Sale from the State of Alabama in my name necessary if I decide to forward for me to legally register car?



    Thanks again,



    Ray
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    royer wrote:
    Luckily, Nevada repealed the sales tax on privately sold vehicles, but unluckily the DMV won't even look at you without a title.



    Ray, I sent you a pm with the number of some people to call.



    Matt,



    And a specail thanks to you for PM which I called and learned Nevada is a title state making it difficult to secure proper documentation.



    Thanks again,



    Ray
  • Browniepetersen
    Browniepetersen Senior Contributor
    The state of Utah requires that you give up a title to get a new title. However, on my 39 roadster there was not a title. I put a bill of sale togeather with the correct SN on it, had it signed and inspected by a police officer and submitted for a title. I have had some problems in the past by employees of the state that were a bit less than helpful, however, as I brought the problem to the level of the individual that ran the department of motor vehicles it all worked out. There always seems to be a way.
  • nick s
    nick s Senior Contributor
    Ray, here is another one that is local to you that I had looked at as I was learning that the services were useless for Ohio. Broadway actually list states where there paperwork which is similar, wouldn't work.

    http://www.its-titles.com/index.htm
  • SamJ
    SamJ Senior Contributor
    Ray wrote:
    I just want to express my thanks to you all with good advise and benefit of your experience's. I've contacted Broadway Title Company titles@broadwaytitle.com they were closed and I'll probably have to wait until Monday for reply; supposely for $149.00 fee, 8 -10 weeks waiting time this company will provide title, Bill of Sale from the State of Alabama in my name necessary if I decide to forward for me to legally register car?



    Thanks again,



    Ray



    Believe me when I tell you that buying a title from an Alabama title company is a really bad idea. Several States have jailed people for using these services. You are much better off following Brownie's suggestion and getting a clear bill of sale and an inspection and throwing yourself on the mercy of the DMV. As he says, there is always away. States know that cars can be restored after being out of service for years and rebuilt using parts from donor cars. They will accomodate you...it may be a pain, but you will end up with a clear title and plates. :cool:
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    nick s wrote:
    Ray, here is another one that is local to you that I had looked at as I was learning that the services were useless for Ohio. Broadway actually list states where there paperwork which is similar, wouldn't work.



    http://www.its-titles.com/index.htm



    Thanks Nick, I'll call them tomorrow and also check with the Nevada DMV.



    Ray
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Whoever you decide to use, better check them out first.



    http://www.vegasbbb.org/rptrel.asp?bbbid=48090
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    All states seem to have their own way of doing this. A few years back I got a title by paying a JUSTICE OF THE PEICE. { a court system I think we no longer have } $35 and he gave me a document ordering the state of Indiana to issue me a title. Took it to the local license branch and got my title on the spot.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Dave53-7C wrote:
    Whoever you decide to use, better check them out first.



    http://www.vegasbbb.org/rptrel.asp?bbbid=48090



    Good recommendation with informative link,



    Thanks Dave,



    Ray
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Ray,



    You're welcome.



    Although few companies have a perfect track record, it doesn't hurt to do a little checking. If you choose to use a company that has some bad marks, ask them for an explanation. More often than not, you'll find out that the customers were either nut cases or that the matter was resolved.



    Good luck with your project,



    Dave
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Dave, you're so right that's why I always used the following in my life past experience's; "there is three sides to every story, their's, yours and correct one"



    Thank you,



    Ray
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Ray, You're welcome. I like your saying, it's a good one and so true. LOL
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    I might add that you can do everything that a title company does by yourself. It depends on what your time is worth. My advice is go to your DMV, pick out the girl you've had the best luck with in the past (or the prettiest) and ask them what to do. Here in KY, it is very difficult to title a car, unless you have the title, or the documentation required by the state of origin for that car. I can tell you a story that cost me a lot of time and money, but I don't want to cry on my keyboard. Oh yeah, it cost me the Chrysler 300 convertible too.



    Good Luck

    Steve
  • [Deleted User]
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    smcmanus wrote:
    I might add that you can do everything that a title company does by yourself. It depends on what your time is worth. My advice is go to your DMV, pick out the girl you've had the best luck with in the past (or the prettiest) and ask them what to do. Here in KY, it is very difficult to title a car, unless you have the title, or the documentation required by the state of origin for that car. I can tell you a story that cost me a lot of time and money, but I don't want to cry on my keyboard. Oh yeah, it cost me the Chrysler 300 convertible too.



    Good Luck

    Steve



    Good Sunday Morning Steve,



    I think with all the trouble of trying to get proper Nevada title in my name I'm going to pass on buying project car, besides I still have my '52 Hornet club coupe and '62 Buick Skylark to complete. From '55 - '57 I was stationed at Fort Knox, Kentucky and liked it so much spend additional four good years there, DMV southern Belle's didn't take a back seat to any women, unless you got lucky, people were friendly, countryside was clean and healthy; Blue Grass state is great place to live.



    Thanks,



    Ray
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