Vacuum motor on 55 Hash
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I've got the motor out of the Hash and since it's an Anco and not a Trico Fickens won't work on it, they bought out the Trico company and don't have Anco parts. I think I can make it work if the gaskets are salvagable. It appears the flapper should be filled with grease. Mr.Ficken suggested marine bearing grease but that seems too tacky to let the flap swing easily , to much resistence. I think Lubriplate may do a better job but I'm wondering if anyone else has done this job and tried different greases. It seems to me a light grease would work better but then again it may run out of the chamber and fill the motor and that wouldn't be good. The grease I removed was old and hard but appeared to be yellow, any ideas??
Harry
Harry
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Harry, try the following or a place called Clean Sweep in WA state.
http://www.autoclassics.com/sestak/blades.html0 -
Thanks Dave, I just sent off an e-mail to this man requesting his help.
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Harry, You're welcome. For what it's worth, and assuming no parts are broken, here's my limited understanding of vacuum motor 101.
Don't use any sort of grease that has a detergent action as it will ruin the flapper. The recommendations for greases (which basically just function to effect a seal) range from Vasoline to silicone. Assuming your flapper is leather, use Neat's foot oil first to soften it. A light (sewing machine) oil can be used for other moving parts. Make sure your filter (made of felt) is clean and that you use a reinforced vacuum hose, one that won't collapse. The gaskets can be made from sheet stock available at your local parts store. To further help performance, a vacuum reserve tank (with check valve) can be installed as can a combination fuel/vacuum pump. If all else fails, buy some RainX, it works!0 -
Dave, the flapper is two metal haves split wider at the bottom than the top, it looks like it has to be filled with grease that slowly weaps out along the seals. The seals could be leather or some rubber compound.
Sestak, the parts guy I sent the note to last night says he can't help me, I asked if he knew who could but he didn't. Doesn't seem to be offering any other suggestions so I'll leave him alone. This isn't brain surgery so I'll eventually get it right.
Harry0 -
Harry, Mine is a trico but I used slick 50 chassis grease on the flapper, not much, just enough to make the seal from flapper to case.
Bob Hickson0 -
Bob, my anco flapper is two pieces with a chamber in between that appears to have been filled with grease. From what I can read on the net any silicon based grease should be fine so I will pick some up today and give it a try. One thing it says is don't use any detergent type of grease as it will eat the seals. Thank you for your help, I'll let you all know where I end up on this.
Harry0 -
Harry Hill wrote:Dave, the flapper is two metal haves split wider at the bottom than the top, it looks like it has to be filled with grease that slowly weaps out along the seals. The seals could be leather or some rubber compound.
Sestak, the parts guy I sent the note to last night says he can't help me, I asked if he knew who could but he didn't. Doesn't seem to be offering any other suggestions so I'll leave him alone. This isn't brain surgery so I'll eventually get it right.
Harry
Harry,
I warned you I had limited knowledge.
Try the Clean Sweep guy, maybe he can help. I can dig up his phone number if you want it. 0 -
Dave, let me check again, I think I looked at his site and he specializes in the Trico motors. It seems the Anco motor was just an OEM for very few cars and very few years, go figure. If I didn't have so much money sunk into keeping this thing 6 volt I would just convert to 12 volt and use an electric motor. I'll try fixing this one first.
Harry0 -
Harry,
I come up with two different numbers for Ken Jacquith, the Clean Sweep guy. A 541-923-4319 number in Oregon and a 509-865-2481 number in Washington. Is your motor an Anco Maxi-Vac?0 -
Dave; it is and I have it working. I went out and checked greases for overall tackiness and lubrication qualities, you know, rubbed it between my fingers and the one that felt smoothest and not sticky was the winner, a nice yellow grease like what was in the flapper. I packed the flapper full using the finger push method, put it all back together and I now have wipers, whoo hoo. Of course I managed to drop one of the arm clips that hold the wiper arm on the motor arm, it's a little spring clip and I think I can find another. Before I lost that though I had wipers going back and forth and finding the return location when shut off. Man, it's almost like I'm a mechanic or something, emphasis on the or something. Thanks to all on the support you've given me on this project, I hope I can return the favor someday.
Harry0 -
Way to go Harry! That's the beauty of old cars, you can actually take parts off and repair them. By the time you're done with that car, you'll be the new club expert for the 55 models.
Just in case, it might not be a bad idea to check eBay to see if you can pick up a spare wiper motor there.
So, what's the next project?0 -
Dave; thanks, I don't think I'll ever be an expert but I am getting more knowledgable. The next project is to get the radio fixed, I will take it to Steve E in Fontana for that project. I'm also going to get Bill Albright to give it a proper tuning. I have three side windows to replace due to cracking. My door seals haven't shown up yet so I'm waiting on that. Lots of little projects waiting for my attention.
Harry0 -
Harry,
Don't be modest. After all, you have the experience now to become the world's one and only Anco wiper motor wizard. What's up with the radio? Although I haven't met Bill, he's helped me out with a few items. He's a good guy. The window glass shouldn't be too difficult. I assume you're going to do the glass and weather stripping yourself.
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Dave;
I think Ed Meuller has some original glass, if he does I'll do it myself, door glass shouldn't be too hard. If the glass is replacement I may just have a glass guy do it. Of course it is all experience if I do it myself. Bill is a great guy to deal with, he always goes out of his way for me when ever I need anything. I haven't even thought to ask him about door glass, he may have some also. The radio lights up a couple of tubes but nothing comes out. The worse thing is my sisters sold my Dads tube tester and all the tubes after he died. I didn't know it until they were gone but most of his flat head tools went also. All his lappers and valve spring compressors. There were special tools for adjusting the valves while the engine was running. I did get his 6 volt timing light and his dwell tack meter.I need to go through the garage and find out what is left over. I also got his Motors Manual for the years I have.
Harry0 -
Harry,
Replacing glass is not a problem, unless you break it. So, paying someone to do it could turn out to be more economical. Rather than throwing tubes and a vibrator at the old radio, best to have a tech review it. That way, they can replace capacitors, resistors and such that are out of spec. Are you keeping it AM or are you going to have it converted to AM/FM? Sorry to hear about your Dad's tools. At least you did get a few useful ones. Better get over to the garage before your sis sells it too. LOL Those old manuals can be very helpful. I picked up a pile of various manuals from an old Hudson dealer I raided last year.0 -
Dave; just getting the AM fixed now would make me happy. I'm one of those people who wakes up every day with a song in my head, sometimes it's good song, sometimes it isn't , but it is the song of the day. If I don't have a radio I sing the song of the day while I drive. I need my radio fixed.
Harry0 -
Harry,
AM it is. Better than no radio at all. Well, a song in your head everyday is better than those darn voices...isn't it? :eek:0 -
You hear the voices too?
Harry0 -
Now I am MAD! The Voices0
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Now I am MAD! The Voices said I was the only one they talked to.......
Harry, I'm a whistler, I get a song in my head and I whistle it all day, don't even realize that I am doing it. Drives my son up the wall, My Wife has gotten used to it after 37 years....
Bob0 -
Bob; if you only talk back to the voices when you are alone then you aren't crazy. If you walk through a mall talking to the voices put one of those ear buds on that come with cell phones now. You don't need the phone, no one knows. Don't argue with the voices, they already know what you are going to say, unless of course they are telling you to climb the clock tower, probably best not to listen to them under those circumstances. Have your voices call my voices if they understand any of this, my voiices know everything.
Harry0 -
Harry Hill wrote:You hear the voices too?
Harry
Yeah, they keep telling me to buy more cars and parts. 0 -
Hey Dave, are you the WWW tire Dave everyone talks about?
Harry0 -
Harry,
No, that's not me. I'm just Dave, the guy with the old Cadillacs and a 53 Hudson.0 -
In 67 there was a 38 Cadillas Limo in the shop of the junk yard next to our garage I wanted to buy, it was $500, that was a lot of money for a 17 year old kid in 67 so I passed on it. Duh, what a dumb kid I was.
Harry0 -
I was a dumb kid too. I sold my 1970 Mustang 428 CJ Mach I in 1976. If we could only turn back the hands of time...sigh.0
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You're so right Dave, At 16 I had a 37 Terraplane 4dr looked like it just arrived from the factory,32,000 actual miles. all the goodies. Cost ? $195.00. Got another now but it's like me, looks decent but patched up,all over. Cost ? $195.00 would'nt even buy the gas it cost me to go get it !! BUD0
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I know exactly what you mean. I thought I was a real wheeler dealer when I sold the Mach I for what I paid for it. Now, those cars (in good shape with the 428CJ) are fetching well over $50,000.00!
Oh, well, better to have had the chance to own these cars then never having had the chance at all. When I was much younger, I remember paying less for a used car then I spend now on a tank of gas. 0
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