Window felt strips on stepdowns

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edited November -1 in HUDSON
I do not know if these are on all stepdowns, but they are on my '52 Commodore. The stainless steel window trim the goes around the openings on the side windows has a window felt trim piece that is stapled to the stainless steel. I need to replace the felt on all the side windows. I was at the window shop this morning and he does not have the equipment to staple a new piece on. Should I try another window shop?

The back of the replacement felt is the same as the original, a metal strip. Has anyone attached a new felt strip. The only ideas I have come up with so far is JB weld, an epoxy type glue, drilling tiny holes and attaching the removed old staples by hand.

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  • 464Saloon
    464Saloon Senior Contributor
    Victor Zamora has these felts new. I think he goes under VictorZ on this site. I picked up a set for mine though I haven't installed them yet.
  • VicTor Z
    VicTor Z Senior Contributor
    Hello Pat, and Rob, on my Hudson I used some thin wire to make staples and used a black marking pen to color up the wire (some) . I heard that the chevy old parts sellers have staples (54-57chevy's) that will work , but you will have to make the holes in the stainless a little larger. I haven't found these staples as of yet. Also heard that you can make staples out of paper clips. VicTor Z
  • I use staples that are for use in air or electric staple guns. They come in many different sizes. Have to redrill holes but that works good for me.
  • I used copper wire usually found at Home Depot and such. It won't rust and is easier to bend.
  • Clutchguy
    Clutchguy Senior Contributor
    SRCraftsman2 wrote:
    I do not know if these are on all stepdowns, but they are on my '52 Commodore. The stainless steel window trim the goes around the openings on the side windows has a window felt trim piece that is stapled to the stainless steel. I need to replace the felt on all the side windows. I was at the window shop this morning and he does not have the equipment to staple a new piece on. Should I try another window shop?



    The back of the replacement felt is the same as the original, a metal strip. Has anyone attached a new felt strip. The only ideas I have come up with so far is JB weld, an epoxy type glue, drilling tiny holes and attaching the removed old staples by hand.



    Pat,which felt piece are you talking about,the one's on the window frame that is on the inside or the piece on the outside of the glass?.The piece on the outside is real hard to replace,using the staple method.On the outside,I use 1/8 windsheild molding stainless small headed rivets.When these are done correctly,you cannot see the head of the rivet and it is held on perfectly.Also make sure to take your time drilling the holes,making sure you do not push on the drill to hard when you are getting ready to cut thru the door edge,because it will go thru and ding the outside stainless window surround.Make sure that you save the old pieces and make your patterns from them.also on the door,file or carefully grind the old staple off the door edge.If you don't,it will cause interference for your new piece and may make it not seat against the outside stainless molding,causing a gap that you will probably see.If you look real close you can see that the horizontal outside"Catwhisker"is slightly bent up,curved up so to speak,on both ends and is also flattened on the very ends and tucked in behind the window weatherstrip-this goes for the inside piece as well,but does not tuck behind the weatherstip.The inside window catwhisker is real easy,you can use many things to make the staples,I personally use stainless steel welding wire and hold the catwhisker on securely onto the window inside frame[best to be done with plenty of light on the workbench] and drill thru the new piece and still try to hit the existing holes made by the original staple[you may also want to remove all the old pieces of rusty staples in the frames].If you spend the time,you can usually make all the existing holes line up perfectly.Make sure that you line the stainless bead on the edge of the door or window frame properly before you start drilling.Hope this helps
  • mars55
    mars55 Senior Contributor
    Clutch Guy



    Do you know where to get the 1/8" windshield molding stainless small headed rivets?
  • Clutchguy
    Clutchguy Senior Contributor
    I go to Napa and they look them up in the Balkamp book.I bought 500 the last time.I might have the number on a box somewhere.I'll ask Jeff Perkins,he bought his just last June for his 49C6sd.
  • VicTor Z
    VicTor Z Senior Contributor
    Hello " Clutch Guy" , that is a great write up on instaling the beltlines to the window frame and to the stainless. I hope you don't mind me using your write up, when I send out kits . Thanks VictOR z
  • Clutchguy
    Clutchguy Senior Contributor
    No problem Vic,I posted it here for all to use.It is however,one of those things you do over and over and finally kinda get the hang of it.The front doors of the stepdown cars are the hardest.You have to make all the pieces[catwhisker-division bar installed in the window channel,weatherstrip 90 degree on back the correct length&fit],then install the vent glass and frame,verify that it is all going to match up when assembled then remove the vent wing and frame,put in the catwhisker piece-riveted to the door frame,then install the door glass**best time to replace the glass is NOW**-with the door glass in place,THen the vent wing assembly,and lastly the weatherstrip channeling around the glass at the top--which was in place down inside the door,but was pulled out at the top to allow the vent-wing assembly to go in---shove it into place making sure to tuck the edges under the edge of the division bar post[you had saved the pattern and made your new one from].This is very time consuming,BUT when your done,"A"the glass won't break and rattle anymore,and"B"the door closes so nice and quite.This is really enjoyed when riding in your Hudson driving down the road and everything is sealed up and QUITE!!!!!:cool::cool:
  • Clutch guy wrote:
    Pat,which felt piece are you talking about,the one's on the window frame that is on the inside or the piece on the outside of the glass?.The piece on the outside is real hard to replace,using the staple method.On the outside,I use 1/8 windsheild molding stainless small headed rivets.When these are done correctly,you cannot see the head of the rivet and it is held on perfectly.Also make sure to take your time drilling the holes,making sure you do not push on the drill to hard when you are getting ready to cut thru the door edge,because it will go thru and ding the outside stainless window surround.Make sure that you save the old pieces and make your patterns from them.also on the door,file or carefully grind the old staple off the door edge.If you don't,it will cause interference for your new piece and may make it not seat against the outside stainless molding,causing a gap that you will probably see.If you look real close you can see that the horizontal outside"Catwhisker"is slightly bent up,curved up so to speak,on both ends and is also flattened on the very ends and tucked in behind the window weatherstrip-this goes for the inside piece as well,but does not tuck behind the weatherstip.The inside window catwhisker is real easy,you can use many things to make the staples,I personally use stainless steel welding wire and hold the catwhisker on securely onto the window inside frame[best to be done with plenty of light on the workbench] and drill thru the new piece and still try to hit the existing holes made by the original staple[you may also want to remove all the old pieces of rusty staples in the frames].If you spend the time,you can usually make all the existing holes line up perfectly.Make sure that you line the stainless bead on the edge of the door or window frame properly before you start drilling.Hope this helps

    Clutch Guy:

    It is the outside catwhisker that is stapled to the stainless trim piece I was referring to. I will look into the windshield type rivets, are these a pop type rivet or the type where you manually bend back the two tangs? Wouldn't a pop type rivet cause interference to reinstall the trim piece back on the door? Do you need to cut down the felt(catwhisker) for the head to be recessed and not scratch the glass?

    An idea that came to me yesterday was to remove the old felt , the only thing left is the metal backing, use it for a pattern, both in shape of the piece and exact location of the staple holes. Drill new holes into the new felt and try and reuse the staples or make new from another material. It got cold here again so my garage time will be limited for the next few weeks. I will try and remember to take pictures as I go along, so my attempt at this can be critiqued LOL.

    When drilling the new holes into the stainless, possibly using a wooden shim that is used for the installation of a house door would prevent the dimpling of the outside edge of the stainless. The tapered edge could be trimmed with a razor knife to the same thickness of the gap in the stainless.
  • Clutchguy
    Clutchguy Senior Contributor
    Pat,yes the outside and the inside window trim both have staples.I am talking using whats left of the outside catwhisker for your pattern,and the inside piece for your pattern inside.Usually the only thing left is the metal back and the stainless bead-no whisker-.If you look closely you will see where the staples on the outside were stamped thru the stainless and the edge of the door.I don't know what kind of stapler it was,but I would say it was wicked!! The edge of the door is folded/welded together all the way around and then the stainless is pushed in place over it.I believe it was originally stapled thru both pieces[sheet metal door edge and the stainless molding].When you use the windsheild rivets-this job takes 2 people-hold your new piece in place on the door edge,making sure it is aligned properly,then drill one hole at a time,install the pop rivet,but before you start to pull the handle down,push it into the felt until it mostly seats.This makes the rivet disappear,then pull the handle down on the gun.My rivet gun is an old Marson and it has a very narrow,almost pointy tip for the 1/8th rivet.Use this method every 6-7 inches or however far you want to space it apart.Make sure to determine your spacing before going to the 2nd.rivet.This will make it uniform looking and when completed properly,the rivets are not visible-just has a small void where the rivet is.If you look at a car that still has its original whisker in place,they also have a void where the staple is.When doing the inside window frame,I again use stainless steel welding wire.This makes a great staple because it is very stiff,and easy to form a new staple.I use a pair of pliers the width of the staple,fold both sides down,making one side longer than the other so it allows you to start one hole and then the other.Again,before drilling into the new whisker,insure it is located correctly on the window frame,drill the holes,then install the staple,use a duck bill needle nose plier or comparable tool,hold the staple in place firmly against the frame and fold the staple over.When you are done,these staples look exactly like the factory,are almost invisible and will never rust like the originals.
  • Clutch guy wrote:
    Pat,yes the outside and the inside window trim both have staples.I am talking using whats left of the outside catwhisker for your pattern,and the inside piece for your pattern inside.Usually the only thing left is the metal back and the stainless bead-no whisker-.If you look closely you will see where the staples on the outside were stamped thru the stainless and the edge of the door.I don't know what kind of stapler it was,but I would say it was wicked!! The edge of the door is folded/welded together all the way around and then the stainless is pushed in place over it.I believe it was originally stapled thru both pieces[sheet metal door edge and the stainless molding].When you use the windsheild rivets-this job takes 2 people-hold your new piece in place on the door edge,making sure it is aligned properly,then drill one hole at a time,install the pop rivet,but before you start to pull the handle down,push it into the felt until it mostly seats.This makes the rivet disappear,then pull the handle down on the gun.My rivet gun is an old Marson and it has a very narrow,almost pointy tip for the 1/8th rivet.Use this method every 6-7 inches or however far you want to space it apart.Make sure to determine your spacing before going to the 2nd.rivet.This will make it uniform looking and when completed properly,the rivets are not visible-just has a small void where the rivet is.If you look at a car that still has its original whisker in place,they also have a void where the staple is.When doing the inside window frame,I again use stainless steel welding wire.This makes a great staple because it is very stiff,and easy to form a new staple.I use a pair of pliers the width of the staple,fold both sides down,making one side longer than the other so it allows you to start one hole and then the other.Again,before drilling into the new whisker,insure it is located correctly on the window frame,drill the holes,then install the staple,use a duck bill needle nose plier or comparable tool,hold the staple in place firmly against the frame and fold the staple over.When you are done,these staples look exactly like the factory,are almost invisible and will never rust like the originals.

    Ok, I see a couple of differences. What year did you do yours on? Mine is a '52 Commodore "8" and the outside whisker staples do NOT go through the door edge, only the stainless frame. That is why I could not envision a pop rivet working. You attach the cat's whisker with staples and then you install the stainless trim to the door. I will double check but I do not think the inside window frame has the cat's whiskers only a small cloth wire on.

    Thanks again.
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