39 Hudson
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Here's a nice project for someone with plenty of money and ambition!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1939-HUDSON-SIX-CONVERTIBLE-SERIES-92-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ270240099040QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270240099040&
At least it appears that you would be starting with a good solid car.
Kevin C.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1939-HUDSON-SIX-CONVERTIBLE-SERIES-92-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ270240099040QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270240099040&
At least it appears that you would be starting with a good solid car.
Kevin C.
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Wish I had the money because I'd sure have the ambition. How pretty is this car!0
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As they used to say on "Laugh In", "veddy interesting, but stupid"!
Another example of someone trying to pick up some "loose change" as I just sold this car last year for about 1/2 of his starting bid! It was supposed to be in Sweden by now, LOL!
Neither Bill A. or anyone else knows how many the factory built as they did not keep records by model, but any model 92 is quite rare as for very little more $ you could get a CC6, & for a little more than that, a CC8. I know of 1 other, now restored & in Mich., was at last Nat'l. in Pittsburgh, photos in WTN covering that Meet.
I bought this car from the original owning family in no. Calif., have photos of it just after delivery. It is a conv. brougham with the rear windows in the top which should still be with the car - I have photos of them too.
Whoever gets it would get a very original car. Only thing you'd need to do, & not that big of a problem, is to rework or replace the center of the firewall as when they put in the later "splasher 6" they "stuffed" the firewall (pounded it in as '40 to '47 engines have dist. at the back of the block).
I wrote an article about this car when I got it, published in SW Borders Chapter Electric Hand. If you have any interest in this car would be glad to help, answer questions.0 -
Just read the remarks & "eyeballed" photo on eBay - that is NOT the original engine but a '37 T I had laying around; the late "splasher 6" had been in the car for many years.
You can see that a piece of the firewall has been cut out but it would be easy to make a new piece of metal, weld it in, smooth it up, then when repaint car, repaint the firewall & it would look "factory".
Look at the condition of the original running board mat - perfect, practically unheard of in a car that age. It was always kept in garages by the family.0 -
Pete, When Asked For My Opinion I Told The Owner There No Figures On Production, Bu My Estimate That Under 50 Of That Model Were Mad, And I Am Sure You Would Agree And Also From Th Number I Have Seen Over 40 Years There Are Probably Only Ten Of Any 39 Model Left, What Say Yee. Too Bad You Didnt Restore It When You Had It, It Would Of Been A Trophy Winner, Bill Albright0
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Bill A. - I'm in the midst of restoring my '33 Terra. 8 conv. & so knew I just wouldn't have the time & energy to do the '39 as I'm now over 70.
Also, last summer, bought a '35 Railton drophead, as the Brits call a conv. cp., which if I'm up to it would be my "swan song" after finishing the '33 which is about 1/2 finished.0 -
Kevin C. wrote:Here's a nice project for someone with plenty of money and ambition!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1939-HUDSON-SIX-CONVERTIBLE-SERIES-92-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ270240099040QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270240099040&
At least it appears that you would be starting with a good solid car.
Kevin C.
What a pleasant suprise when I saw this on ebay. I have the one in Michigan, only mine is a coupe (no back seat). I didn't know another one existed. It's even the same color. Neat car. This would be a great car to restore.
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Gene - yes, flew to Fla. & saw yours before you bought it.
Have you fixed up the things that it needed then, such as top, etc.?
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oldhudsons wrote:Gene - yes, flew to Fla. & saw yours before you bought it.
Have you fixed up the things that it needed then, such as top, etc.?
Pete
Pete;
The one I have came from Raleigh N.C. It's probably the same car. The guy didn't mention you by name, but said some one flew in to look at it. I have done some mechanical work, rebuilt the engine and put a rebuilt O.D trans in. The top is still usable but needs a new one some day. The seat needs to be redone also. New tires, brakes, etc. It's a nice driving car.
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I'm not a huge fan of the '39's but That counvertible is kinda cute. It was either '38 or '39 that had the most models offered in a single year, like 41 different cars or something like that Butler's book said. i wonder if there's an example of all of them still surviving or if any have gone "extinct."0
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Gene - yes, the chrome, paint, top, upholstery, and your "etc., etc." are why I passed on it LOL!
Like the one on eBay does it not have a later replacement engine with the firewall "stuffed"?
Any '39 is EXTREMELY rare - I've only seen or heard of a few of the Country Club series in the 45+ years I've been in the HET Club & have attended many Nationals which is where they'd show up. I remember Carl Horton had one at a National in Ind. but haven't seen or heard of it since & that was at least 30-35 years ago! They are the proverbial "needle in a haystack".0 -
Perhaps a lot of '39's were scrapped for the war effort or enthusiastically scrapped as soon as it was over for new cars.0
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No, they would have been too new. The ones that would have "bit the dust" would have been early to mid '30s & older.
My family started out WW 2 with a '37 Chevy; dad during the war traded it for a '40 Chevy, afterwards trading it in for our 1st Hudson, a '46 S6 sd.0 -
oldhudsons wrote:Any '39 is EXTREMELY rare - I've only seen or heard of a few of the Country Club series in the 45+ years I've been in the HET Club & have attended many Nationals which is where they'd show up.
The National in Madison is the only meet where I have seen more than 1 CC car in attendance. There was a Series 95 & 97. The Series 95 had a Ford 302 & C4 trans in it and they did a very neat job of squeezing it in! It was for sale and I would have bought it but Judy was (and still is) holding out for a '51 Hornet sedan. The area behind the drivers seat in those Series 97's is enormous!
If my memory serves me correctly, Gene, you were driving around the parking lot at Madison on just a frame. Was that from the '39?
Kevin C.0 -
oldhudsons wrote:As they used to say on "Laugh In", "veddy interesting, but stupid"!
Another example of someone trying to pick up some "loose change" as I just sold this car last year for about 1/2 of his starting bid! It was supposed to be in Sweden by now, LOL!
Neither Bill A. or anyone else knows how many the factory built as they did not keep records by model, but any model 92 is quite rare as for very little more $ you could get a CC6, & for a little more than that, a CC8. I know of 1 other, now restored & in Mich., was at last Nat'l. in Pittsburgh, photos in WTN covering that Meet.
I bought this car from the original owning family in no. Calif., have photos of it just after delivery. It is a conv. brougham with the rear windows in the top which should still be with the car - I have photos of them too.
Whoever gets it would get a very original car. Only thing you'd need to do, & not that big of a problem, is to rework or replace the center of the firewall as when they put in the later "splasher 6" they "stuffed" the firewall (pounded it in as '40 to '47 engines have dist. at the back of the block).
I wrote an article about this car when I got it, published in SW Borders Chapter Electric Hand. If you have any interest in this car would be glad to help, answer questions.
Pete, you sold it too cheap!0 -
Gene, Pete,
I was excited to see this 39 Model 92 convertible Brougham on eBay because I have one that I am restoring; However, mine (as a lot of you know) was customized in the early 50's based on the article in Motor Trend Magazine by Chaz Martz. I have sought out photo's of a 39 so that I could see what it was like when it was new. It has been hard to get a fix on just how much was done to my car (a lot, now that I see these photo's). I also had the conversation with Bill Albright about a year ago and he told me the same thing that you folks have spoke about. Gene, I would love to get some photo's of your car so I could see one restored. I have started to assemble a number of photo's just for the fun of it. Oh, I noticed that the seller has a radio from a country club with the car. The gentleman who customized my car replaced the Six dash components with Country Club dash parts. I have just finished restoring these. I have a mint condition radio plate for a six if anyone needs it?
Brownie0 -
Brownie - I understood the Martz cars were based on '40 Hudson 8 sedan chassis.
Pete0 -
Kevin C. wrote:The National in Madison is the only meet where I have seen more than 1 CC car in attendance. There was a Series 95 & 97. The Series 95 had a Ford 302 & C4 trans in it and they did a very neat job of squeezing it in! It was for sale and I would have bought it but Judy was (and still is) holding out for a '51 Hornet sedan. The area behind the drivers seat in those Series 97's is enormous!
If my memory serves me correctly, Gene, you were driving around the parking lot at Madison on just a frame. Was that from the '39?
Kevin C.
Kevin;
You may be thinking of a central region meet in Auburn Ind. about 3 or 4 years ago. I had a running 1917 chassis that I was driving around the parking lot.
I drove my 37 Terraplane to Madison.
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Browniepetersen wrote:Gene, Pete,
I was excited to see this 39 Model 92 convertible Brougham on eBay because I have one that I am restoring; However, mine (as a lot of you know) was customized in the early 50's based on the article in Motor Trend Magazine by Chaz Martz. I have sought out photo's of a 39 so that I could see what it was like when it was new. It has been hard to get a fix on just how much was done to my car (a lot, now that I see these photo's). I also had the conversation with Bill Albright about a year ago and he told me the same thing that you folks have spoke about. Gene, I would love to get some photo's of your car so I could see one restored. I have started to assemble a number of photo's just for the fun of it. Oh, I noticed that the seller has a radio from a country club with the car. The gentleman who customized my car replaced the Six dash components with Country Club dash parts. I have just finished restoring these. I have a mint condition radio plate for a six if anyone needs it?
Brownie
Brownie;
I'll be glade to send some pictures. Any area of the car you would like?
Mine is a modle 92 and my dash components are completely different then the country club ones. Gene.0 -
oldhudsons wrote:Gene - yes, the chrome, paint, top, upholstery, and your "etc., etc." are why I passed on it LOL!
Like the one on eBay does it not have a later replacement engine with the firewall "stuffed"?
Any '39 is EXTREMELY rare - I've only seen or heard of a few of the Country Club series in the 45+ years I've been in the HET Club & have attended many Nationals which is where they'd show up. I remember Carl Horton had one at a National in Ind. but haven't seen or heard of it since & that was at least 30-35 years ago! They are the proverbial "needle in a haystack".
Pete;
It's a good 20 footer, as they say. No, it had the original engine. No hole in the fire wall.
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oldhudsons wrote:Brownie - I understood the Martz cars were based on '40 Hudson 8 sedan chassis.
Pete
Pete,
The actual Motor Trend Martz car was a combination of two cars. The frame and most body parts were from a 1941 Hudson sedan. The article did not state that it was an 8? From my research I have located 11 cars that have major influence from the Motor Trend Article. I call these Martz inspired cars. The breakdown of years and make are as follows: 1939 Hudson Six Convertible (1 each); 1940 Hudson Sedan (1 each); 1941 Hudson Sedan (3 each); 1941 Studebaker sedan (1 each); 1946 Hudson Unknown body style (1 each); 1946 Nash Sedan (1 each); 1946 Buck convertible (1 each); 1947 Hudson Sedan (1 each). As you can see, those who read the article and build their cars selected from cars that were available to them. The only one currently on the road is the 46 Hudson Sedan that was built by Barris Custom in California.0 -
hudsonsplasher1 wrote:Brownie;
I'll be glade to send some pictures. Any area of the car you would like?
Mine is a modle 92 and my dash components are completely different then the country club ones. Gene.
Thanks Gene,
I do not need any specific shots at this time. I would like some front, three-quarter side from each side, back shot, engine compartment both sides and one or two shots of the interior. That should do me for now. Once we get to the actual body build (we are doing frame & mechanical work right now) I may need a shot or two of a specific area but for now not that I know of. I do wonder if the car has interior sunvisors. The two holes above the doors that I thought were for sunvisors I have learned are for the top tie down hinge. Also, I would like to know if the car has any type of dome light.
Thanks again Gene,
You folks on the web are great to help out.
My email address is browniepetersen@atk.com0 -
Brownie - quite interesting research on your part.
All I remember is reading an article in some obscure magazine about them.
One of my HET buddies in S. D. bought one from Bill A. thinking it was on a Hudson chassis, but upon finding it was on a Stude. chassis, sold it.
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If i were a guessing man, I would say that the one purchased by your firend was the Studebaker that I found data on. Glen Johnson, Brigham City had a photo of the car that was sold to Bill.
I do need to make a correction to my comment that the Martz car was a 1941. I pulled out the Book by Chaz and the book clearly identifies the car as a 1940 foor door sedan. It did not give a model or identify it as a six or an eight. It also mentioned that Chaz traded a "like" year Hudson ambilance for a set of golf clubs so that he could have a parts car. The book did say that the Martz car has a 204 inch wheel base.
Brownie Petersen0 -
Brownie
I also have a 1939 Hudson Six Bro Convert VIN #9252795. I am in the process of restoring it, but the one on ebay is a lot better shape than mine. Your question on interior sunvisors. Hudson offer two types of sunvisors ,hinged type and swirl type. I believe visors were an options/accessory and if they were installed it would have to be the swirl type, as the hinge type fastings would interfer with the hold down clamps on each side.
In the Master Parts Book it only shows the swivel type offered in 1939 for the 92 series Part # HA 134990 RHS and #HA 134991 LHS
Do you have tie down clamps for the top? I have had some casted up and they turned out quite good.0 -
Browniepetersen wrote:Thanks Gene,
I do not need any specific shots at this time. I would like some front, three-quarter side from each side, back shot, engine compartment both sides and one or two shots of the interior. That should do me for now. Once we get to the actual body build (we are doing frame & mechanical work right now) I may need a shot or two of a specific area but for now not that I know of. I do wonder if the car has interior sunvisors. The two holes above the doors that I thought were for sunvisors I have learned are for the top tie down hinge. Also, I would like to know if the car has any type of dome light.
Thanks again Gene,
You folks on the web are great to help out.
My email address is browniepetersen@atk.com
Hi Brownie;
Two of my three atempts to send pictures came back undeliverable. Did you get them ok?
Gene.0 -
No I do not have the bracket that attaches to the windshield or the bracket that attaches to the wood header. would love to get a set, any chance you could cast another set of three?
Brownie0 -
I did, the four photos came in my "junk" mail on Thursday and I downloaded them to my file. they are great!
Thanks, Brownie0 -
Kevin C. wrote:The National in Madison is the only meet where I have seen more than 1 CC car in attendance. There was a Series 95 & 97. The Series 95 had a Ford 302 & C4 trans in it and they did a very neat job of squeezing it in! It was for sale and I would have bought it but Judy was (and still is) holding out for a '51 Hornet sedan. The area behind the drivers seat in those Series 97's is enormous!
If my memory serves me correctly, Gene, you were driving around the parking lot at Madison on just a frame. Was that from the '39?
Kevin C.
Kevin: If the car you saw at the nationals was blue... last time I saw it... it was probably my old 39. That car was found in original condition in Nebraska. It and a 53 Hornet sedan were aquired by a friend as a trade for a Honda 90 motorcycle. The cycle did not run... both of the Hudsons did. Over several weeks my friend and I dickered and traded and I ended up with both cars. The 53 was driven to my place and the 39 taken to Offutt AFB auto shop for check out. After several days we finally overcame the armored cable and started the car.... we got the car sans ignition key. The car was later aquired by Charlie Harris for his brother Marvin. The car was originally restored to original shape... later after mechanical difficulties... either Marvin or one of his sons installed the Ford motor. That was truely a very fine original found in the barn car when I first saw it. Like you, 39s have not been plentiful in my 50+ years with Hudsons.0 -
Kevin
This the car?
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WildWasp wrote:Kevin
This the car?
Yes WW. That's the car!
Kevin C.0
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