Restoring 1952 Hornet Coupe. NEED PARTS!

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edited November -1 in HUDSON
Hello! Ive recieved my '52 hornet and im going to restore it. however the seller did not have (although he said he did) all the trim . Unfortunately ive noticed it just when the car has arrived to me , to Poland.. As you all can easily imagine there are NO hudsons in here , nor the parts .. Ive ordered all the books possible ; parts catalogues , service books , body manuals, so ill know exactly what i miss and look for the parts , but here i ask you for help..

right now i know that i miss bumper guards , taillight surrounds(i think ive found somebody who has them) , and window surrounds. Couldnt find too much of the hudson parts on ebay , although im woriking on it . I wanted to restore it to perfect condition , just as it was back there in 1952...



Here are the pictures:

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Thanks for any help , i appreciate it



Michael

q-wear@o2.pl
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Michael, It appears that this car may be a 1951 model. Would you be able to get to the vehicle identification number on the front passenger side door frame ? This would help in identifying your car.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Hudzilla wrote:
    Michael, It appears that this car may be a 1951 model. Would you be able to get to the vehicle identification number on the front passenger side door frame ? This would help in identifying your car.



    Looks like the 52-53 rear window to me , that car is short a bunch of stuff that will be tuff to replace .
  • Unknown
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    I have a whole bunch of body trim left over from my 49 resto. Provided it will fit, you can have your pick of it. Most of it is in storage, but I am fairly sure I have few sets of rocker moldings, some lower door trim, a set of rear fender trim, the fender skirt moldings and some other stuff. I also know who has the rest of what you are looking for and would be happy to put you in touch with him. Please note all of this stuff is going to have to be polished etc.



    DC
  • rambos_ride
    rambos_ride Senior Contributor
    Michael Welcome to the Forum!

    I applaud your purchase - I admire the determination of the off-shore (non-US) Hudson lovers.

    We sometimes believe parts are hard to find here in the US and it's nothing in comparision to what you guys have to deal with!

    I also appreciate your desire to restore the car to correct trim, standards etc.

    We don't know much of your background, skills, tools, workspace available or the amount of work you plan to do, or your anticipated timelines and approximate budget you think you're willing to spend.

    All those factors will make a big difference when looking at the choices between restoring one of the cars as original or going towards a more custom hot-rod build.

    I'm not trying to discourage you from a restoration - I just want to point out that restoring a Hudson is challenging and spendy in the best of circumstances and 10-fold harder and more expensive trying to source the parts from Poland.

    I guess what I am trying to say is if you have a large budget, you will be doing most of the restoration work, and realize that a restoration of this car to original could take many years just to source all of the parts to completion ~ then you are approaching this project with your eyes wide open!

    In the end whatever your decision, you'll find lots of good people and information on the forum hear and we all welcome your participation and thoughts.
  • Unknown
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    thats not a 52 hornet, unless someone did some body work on the rear to change the tail lights, which i doubt. -john
  • Unknown
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    THEGREENHORNET wrote:
    thats not a 52 hornet, unless someone did some body work on the rear to change the tail lights, which i doubt. -john



    Im pretty new to the Hudson hobby ,but the the rear window sure looks like a 52-53 glass to me .
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    There Are No 49 Parts That Will Work, If He Wants To Return It To A 52, Might Have Some Parts, Bu T Not The Stainless Around Roof And Rear Glass, Very Few People Part Out A Coupe,. Bill Albrights Vintage Coach, Fontana, Cal
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    While I applaud the efforts of anyone that buys a hudson, this one is going to be tough. I don't know what to even suggest, but when Bill A, kinda hints at the trim being hard to find, It seems a bit dispairiging...



    I bet a few HET nationals and some ads in the WTN, and even a couple of years, this one could be converted to being correct. I got to say, in all the years we went thru junkyards, and meets I don't remember seeing any of the roofline trim, and scarecly a piece of side trim.



    I think Frank Dhulhy, out of NY, had a few 2 door side trim pieces for this car, the real HTF stuff, but other than that any 2 door hudson is difficult, at best to find good trim for. the roof pieces are probably 52-53 only, and coupe only at that... You may want to contact him ASAP, to at last get two of you hardest pieces off your list.



    I think the lower rocker on a 49 may work, but the upper is different, it is triangular shaped (side profile) for 52 hornet. but the good news is the rocker trim is shared with I think 51-53 all hornet, so your selection pool is a bit greater.



    I remember seeing this car on eBay a few times, and figured someone would buy it, glad someone did, but sad to hear it is missing so much.



    Stateline is right about the rear glass, 51 is a bit wider at the top i think, it looks to be 52-3 to me, as well. definitely isn't a 48-50, but the possibility exists it could be a super, or commodore, I guess....
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Yesterday I sent Michael and email suggesting that he should post here on the Hudson forum. He has elected to bring his requests directly to this forum. The car in question is indeed an eBay purchase that began life as a 52 Hornet coupe. Michael is new to this marquee and obviously at a disadvantage when seeking parts. There are some directly interchangeable stainless pieces... and others that are sufficiently similar that a knowledgeable and patient person could reconstruct the needed trim. For example the roof trim for a 52-53 sedan is the same as a coupe in the front sections, the front fender trim is the same. Stainless can be welded and that should allow the careful restorer to reconstruct the door and rear fender pieces from several salvaged sedan items... if those rare OEM parts are unavailable. Trim like this can be packaged in a PVC pipe or affixed to a hardwood backing and shipped successfully. So, the idea is to shift through those spare pieces and determine if you can help Michael resurrect his Hornet coupe.



    Happy Holidays.
  • rambos_ride
    rambos_ride Senior Contributor
    Heart_Of_Texas wrote:
    Yesterday I sent Michael and email suggesting that he should post here on the Hudson forum. He has elected to bring his requests directly to this forum. The car in question is indeed an eBay purchase that began life as a 52 Hornet coupe. Michael is new to this marquee and obviously at a disadvantage when seeking parts. There are some directly interchangeable stainless pieces... and others that are sufficiently similar that a knowledgeable and patient person could reconstruct the needed trim. For example the roof trim for a 52-53 sedan is the same as a coupe in the front sections, the front fender trim is the same. Stainless can be welded and that should allow the careful restorer to reconstruct the door and rear fender pieces from several salvaged sedan items... if those rare OEM parts are unavailable. Trim like this can be packaged in a PVC pipe or affixed to a hardwood backing and shipped successfully. So, the idea is to shift through those spare pieces and determine if you can help Michael resurrect his Hornet coupe.

    Happy Holidays.

    Great information and perspective as always Ken.

    I am always amazed at the stepdown trim combinations from the factory and the ones I have seen others come up with.

    I know the model and year makes a big difference, doesn't it?

    It would help if someone can find a picture of a coupe with the trim pakage Michael is seeking and post it here in this thread so everyone has a visual reference and we're "all on the same page" (Maybe Michael already has a picture of what hes looking for?)

    Then maybe we could help make an inventory or parts list from what parts he has (if any) and the ones remaining on the list.

    It's a shame we don't have the reproduction parts other car enthusiasts enjoy.

    But that's another thing that makes own a Hudson an experience - not just another car!
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Contact Jim Harmon in Banks, Oregon. I have been to his place several times for parts and I swear that he has enough stuff and variety to build a Hudson from scratch.



    Address: 42785 N.W. Woollen Rd.

    Banks, Oregon 97106



    Phone: 503-324-7041



    Good LUck
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Thanks for Your numerous replies. You are really a big help for me..

    Ken-u ,Those translators never work propperly ;)

    The VIN is : 148492

    As for my work/tool abbilities - i dont have a forming machine , yet my friend who is helping me is very talented /bodywork man?/ , so we might be able to reproduce something , only if we knew how it looks...

    Are the window trim really stainless ? i thought they were just chromed steel...

    As for my budget and tools - my friend has a workshop , so we have everything needed (i guess) , and we wont be using any body fill , only tin repairs.. and for the money - i think that this car is worth making it perfect and jus like it was :)
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Again welcome, wondered where the ol' girl went. Make a to do list, do one at a time, as you can afford, and always ask for help. You will be surprized at the parts every one can dig up. I will also look and see what I have left. Good luck with your build.
  • Unknown
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    Anybody ask how the underside looks like ? We all know how these huds have rust in the outside frame rails. Sorry havent posted latley working on the hud got her painted and back onto all 4 wheels again. Yah iam a modifited guy of one of these i had my share of rust in the rear along with most of us. Enjoy have fun looks like you have some body fixing to do get out the hammer and dollie and start going at it :)
  • Unknown
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    okay made the list , got all the books;



    ive found a guy on ebay , he got me bumper guards , rear emblems , rear handle and rear badge (sweet :D )



    as far as im concerned im missing :

    -front bumper bar (the one that holds the number plate)

    - all the window trim

    - doorsill trim

    - i dont know about the air filter tubes... couldnt find em in the parts catalogue !! anyways , this part catalogue is hard to read. it makes me crazy each time i try to find anything in it.. :eek:



    as for the cap around the gas door hudson9uk2.jpg like here , seems that wasnt an original part (when i look in my catalogue , there is nothing around the gas door)





    p.s. Has anyone tried muggyweld (potmetal welding rod) ??
  • mars55
    mars55 Senior Contributor
    veyron wrote:
    okay made the list , got all the books;



    - i dont know about the air filter tubes... couldnt find em in the parts catalogue !! anyways , this part catalogue is hard to read. it makes me crazy each time i try to find anything in it.. :eek:



    as for the cap around the gas door like here, seems that wasnt an original part (when i look in my catalogue , there is nothing around the gas door)



    I don't know what you mean by air filter tubes? As for the "cap around the gas door" that was a Hudson accessory part number 230236 Gasoline Door Guard. K-Gap Automotive Parts sells one. Part number 183 on Page 16 of their catalog. Here is their web site.



    http://www.k-gap.com/
  • Unknown
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    those red ones... sorry i dunno how to call them ..



    but you agree that reading this parts catalogue is a horror ?? :)
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    they are called twin H "air cleaners" they often turn up on eBay, and there are many folks here that probably have a set or two for sale.



    You could settle for the oil bath style, which are a bit bigger, but less popular. As a bonus, they are cheaper, and look a bit cooler.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    I like the big red oil bath ones as well. They are bigger and have quite an impact when you open the hood. I use airfilter elements instead of the oil.

    As a historical note, the oil bath filters were the aircleaner of choice for those who had to deal with all the dirt roads back in the day.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Are the window trim pieces needed common between 52 and 53? My father has a 53 hornet coupe parts car with all the window/roof line stainless still installed. I could post a picture of the pieces it has if it helps.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    don pratt wrote:
    Are the window trim pieces needed common between 52 and 53? My father has a 53 hornet coupe parts car with all the window/roof line stainless still installed. I could post a picture of the pieces it has if it helps.



    52 and 53 are the same. Everything from the doors back is coupe only and tough to find.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    veyron



    Do you have a fax number? We can get you a list of everything we carry for your vehicle. How easy is that?



    Dany and Kaylene



    KGAP
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    well ive got some trim parts ; all the lower rear bar , original tailligts , bumper guards , (thanks Glenn) :) . i got the middle door trim , but still am missing the upper windshield and rear window post trim. unfortunately havent found any skirt trim neither :( . if anyone still feels like helping me ; heres the picture : http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/402677/Missing_parts_hudon.jpg.html
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    Veyron-



    I apparently was off the forum during your original post and never saw it before. Check with Lance Walker (in the Roster) for the lower rocker trim. I just got a set from him and I believe he has some more. Rocker trim is easier to find for the coupe than the upper pieces. Also, I didn't notice any arrows on the beltline trim in your pic. Do you have all the beltline trim pieces now? If not, I may be able to help you out. What about the porkchops? Those are the pieces at the rear of the beltline trim.



    Best advice I can give you is: BE PATIENT and BE RESOURCEFUL! Keep in mind that there are others (like me) that are also searching for parts. I'm in the middle of a '52 Hornet Convertible restoration and had about 35-40% of all the parts for the car when I started. In the last two years, I'm up to about 97%, but it is a constant effort. The parts are out there, just stick with it, because, you are right . . . this car deserves no less than your best effort, whether that's restoring back to original or making the coolest lead-sled on the planet. Parts are hardest to come by for the Coupes, Hollywoods and Convertibles, but not impossible.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    yes , fortunately the seller has given me the pork chops and the middle door stripes. I admire your patience , but i could use just a picture and some measurements , and /desperately/ ill try to reproduce them myself... my friend who is a tinman (is that the word??) is a very talended guy :)
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    veyron wrote:
    yes , fortunately the seller has given me the pork chops and the middle door stripes. I admire your patience , but i could use just a picture and some measurements , and /desperately/ ill try to reproduce them myself... my friend who is a tinman (is that the word??) is a very talended guy :)



    Like I said, check with Lance about the lower rocker trim, he probably can help you.



    I am currently out of town right now, but next week, I'll look in my shop. I believe I have the pieces that go on the side of the windshield. I'll get back to you first part of next week.
  • Uncle Josh
    Uncle Josh Senior Contributor
    Does anyone know whether the window trim will fit from a 54 Super Wasp coupe which I scrapped? Most of the trim is in good shape.



    Contact me at HETcramerlp@roadrunner.com and drop the HET
  • Unknown
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    veyron wrote:
    yes , fortunately the seller has given me the pork chops and the middle door stripes. I admire your patience , but i could use just a picture and some measurements , and /desperately/ ill try to reproduce them myself... my friend who is a tinman (is that the word??) is a very talended guy :)



    Len Kasper here. call me for Hudson parts. I have lots! 585-392-4923
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Definitely contact Jim Harmon
    He has no computer
    Shoot me an email with your list of needs
    sometimes I can take cuts for parts since I restored huds with him for 15 years before moving to Texas. I know he has all the trim you need so don't fret any longer about that stuff. I straighten and polish trim professionally so he could send the whole package to me and I'll repair, polish, pack and ship it all to you----just let me know
    Rick Monroe
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    OIL BATH twin H air cleaners for sale on craigs list... $125 pair ... appear to be missing the bases for both cleaners.

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/pts/744477762.html

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