Was The Hudson 7X Engine Ever Advertised?

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  • TO ALL DEALERS AND SERVICE STATION AGREEMENT HOLDERS:



    We have available for Models 4D, 5D and 7D an EXTRA HIGH PERFOR-

    MANCE CAMSHAFT, part C 311040. It was originally announced to Zones,

    Distributors and Dealers Parts Policies and Information Bulletin 54-2, 1954 Series, dated August 27, 1953.



    The NEW CAMSHAFT may be used to replace C 306344 standard produc-

    tion Camshaft for Models 4C,,5C and 7C, or C 309742 standard production Cam-

    shaft for Models 4D, 5D and 7D. C 309742 is also the standard production

    Camshaft for the 7X EXTRA HIGH PERFORMANCE ENGINE offered for 1951,

    1952, 1953 and 1954 models.



    The price schedule of the new Camshaft follows.

    Part No. ........Name .......List Price .......Wholesale Net .....Dealer Net

    C 311040 ---- Camshaft ---- 32.50
    26.65
    21.78



    It is not possible to install this Camshaft in production, however it will be

    shipped with the new car for field installation or installed at Factory Service Garage at established flat rate charges.



    When ordering for a new car, send a Parts Order to your Zone or Distributor

    covering the Camshaft specifying whether it is to be shipped for field installation or installed by the Factory Service Garage. It will be billed on a regular Parts Invoice.
  • Just an extra note to say Alex Burr is a good source for scans of all of these bulletins as well. He has a lot of them in pdf format.
  • oldhudsons wrote:
    I hate to refute an icon but Walt is incorrect. I'm scanning "Parts Merchandising Bulletin" dated "8-3-53" to Ryan which specifically offers dealers the 7X engine.

    The 1st para.: "Hudson is pleased to announce the immediate availability of the...NEW HIGH PERFORMANCE 7X SKELETON ENGINE ASSEMBLY.... adaptable to all 7A, 7B and 7C Hornet Models." (capitalizations there's).

    It then lists all the parts inc. with it, gives a parts # & a price so they were not "built by the guys racing Hudsons" & Hudson both made & sold them, and as "7X" engine short blocks.

    I'm sure Ryan will make a post with this & perhaps other 7X related info I send him.



    The scans that Pete refers to are now up on hudsoncollector.



    http://www.hudsoncollector.com/forum_viewtopic.php?23.761.0



    Thanks Pete !
  • oldhudsons
    oldhudsons Senior Contributor
    I've always thought one of the most interesting aspects of the 7X engine, as you can see, was that they knurlized the pistons.

    In the mid-'60s I bought a low mileage '50 C8 conv. from the original owner in San Jose, Calif. In '53 he blew a rad. hose going up a mt. grade, overheated & ruined the 8 engine. He ordered a complete 7X engine package inc. dual exhausts. It had about 50K miles on it when I got it, the engine about 12K. It had been a high school graduation present & he also got literally every available accessory inc. dual fog & spot lights, back up lights, sun visor, o.d., Drive Master, radio, heater, etc. It was Coronation Cream (I believe a conv. only color) with red leather but the original owner had had the dealer paint it black, which is what he wanted, as there was no black '50 C8 in the Bay area Zone.

    I had the car, which Jack Miller told me was the best original step-down cv. he'd ever seen, for many years. I drove it to a National Meet in Indiana once. It was the best & smoothest Hornet engine (exc. maybe the '56 with hydraulic lifters) I ever drove & I never had to touch the engine.

    Last time I saw it was at the Southwest Borders sponsored Regional in Escondido, Calif. - it had gone thru 3 subsequent owners & had gone downhill. I probably have some old pics of it somewhere. It is one of the few Hudsons I've owned I regret having ever sold.
  • silverone wrote:
    The scans that Pete refers to are now up on hudsoncollector.

    http://www.hudsoncollector.com/forum_viewtopic.php?23.761.0

    Thanks Pete !

    Thanks Pete and Ryan. Some of this information is also available in the postings that Alex Burr has posted to his web site. Somewhere in my past I have seen a Skeleton engine on a Hudson factory engine display stand... can't remember where.

    :)
  • Heart Of Texas wrote:
    Thanks Pete and Ryan. Some of this information is also available in the postings that Alex Burr has posted to his web site. Somewhere in my past I have seen a Skeleton engine on a Hudson factory engine display stand... can't remember where.



    :)



    It may have been the 7X engine I bought from John Soneff a couple years ago. It was listed on e-bay and was displayed on a factory stand...
  • nhp1127 wrote:
    It may have been the 7X engine I bought from John Soneff a couple years ago. It was listed on e-bay and was displayed on a factory stand...

    Yes, your engine was one of the pictures... but, I know I have seen another engine in skeleton from in the past which was mounted on one of those stands. ...
    :)
  • Ken, Wasn't there an engine on display in Nashville in 1999? It was on a trailer.
    Bob
  • I have a picture of that Nashville engine around here some place. Will try to find it. I believe it was just a newly rebuilt 308.
  • BJ__TN wrote:
    Ken, Wasn't there an engine on display in Nashville in 1999? It was on a trailer.
    Bob

    Yes Bob, that engine was the give away prize for the next years national.

    Over the years I have been fortunate enough to be invited to see private stocks and displays, during one of those forays I know I saw a 7x Skeleton engine. I beleive it was at a former Hudson dealership.

    First picture is of the same engine during the final assembly in Florida. The second picture is of the Sonoff engine on the original stand and sold on eBay.:D
  • super-six wrote:
    The "Severe Usage" performance options group is probably similar to the COPO performance options from Chevrolet. You had to inquire at the dealerships, they were never advertised. Most of the COPO performance options were unsuitable for daily driving.
    Like I said, Hudson never sold a true 7X engine. The engine they were selling was a SU engine, 30 overbore and 10 under mains and rod bearings. It had the 306344 cam and the standard size valves. If you ordered this engine the high performance cam came in the trunk. Racers put larger valves and rejeted the carburetors and changed the advance timing on the distributor. You could not run this engine on the road as it idled at 1600 RPM's. It would turn 4800 max for racing. Ask Ivan sometimes about this total RPM. A drag engine will not run on the road. So with the standard valves and cam in the trunk you were not buying a 7X engine. Walt.
  • oldhudsons
    oldhudsons Senior Contributor
    The several factory 7X engines I've encountered had the big valves with the block relieved & the head combustion areas "cleaned up" (smoothed out) or "ported" (the term used at the time).

    One big advantage of the 7X over the stock engine was the use of big studs instead of cap screws so you could torque the heads down to 100 ft. lbs. thus not blow head gaskets.

    I understand the biggest contributors to h. p. was the dual exhaust manifold as the inability to "breathe" is the biggest disadvantage of a flat head engine which is why the 7X had special heads, big valves, & blocks "ported".

    There have been a lot of Hudsonites over the years who've claimed they have a 7X engine in their cars but almost all are ones they've created, or let's say "7Xed" & how good a job was done was determined by the size of their billfold, their access to or willingness to use or seek an excellent machine shop, & how much time they'd be willing to spend on all the "little" things, that in their totality, make the ultimate difference.
  • Seems to me the pedigree of a 7X as stated (and as most things) are in the authentic parts and in the source of the engine. Who was the former owner, where did it come from, what parts are in the engine, etc. Engine block numbers are a good source but these can always be re-stamped or modified. From previous threads, it's been stated that if a dealer installed a 7x engine then they would stamp the serial number to match the car's VIN, possibly with a different prefix. Some interesting info, per John Soneff, the previous owner, my engine has no serial number as he bought the engine new over the counter from the Hudson dealer he worked at. He then put it in a Hudson Convertible he had where it stayed for many years. John called me last year to see how I liked the engine. At the time, I told him it was being put in a 52 Hornet Coupe and not ready to run yet. The car is now running and you can definately hear the high compression when it starts (turns over slower)and shuts down (quicker) when compared to my other Hornet.
  • oldhudsons
    oldhudsons Senior Contributor
    Right - the factory 7X in the previously mentioned '50 C8 conv. I had had a dealer stamped # with a prefix, I believe designated by the state of Calif., denoting it was a replacement engine.
  • Browniepetersen
    Browniepetersen Senior Contributor
    When we built the engine for my car there was never an intent to call it a 7x engine. I researched all the proper sources and with modern machining techniques modified my engine to obtain higher horse power and still be able to drive it on the road. Our final bench tests showed that we were at 215hp. That is higher than what I understand the 7x supplied. We got there with a 308 block, 308 head and some creative machining. By the way, the most restrictive part of my exhaust system is 3 inches and the pipes run through a flowthrough muffler system. I used the 7x number on the side of my car because I could find no Hudson racing car that used that number--I did not want to copy anyone.
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