Marvel Mystery Top Oiler

harry54
harry54 Senior Contributor
edited November -1 in HUDSON
Does anyone know why there are alot of Packards that Have these Marvel mystery oil Top oilers ?? Did Packard know something that other flat tappet engine mfgs didn't know ? There must have been something to it......



http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/2007/04/01/hmn_feature14.html

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  • Unknown
    Unknown
    harry54 wrote:
    Does anyone know why there are alot of Packards that Have these Marvel mystery oil Top oilers ?? Did Packard know something that other flat tappet engine mfgs didn't know ? There must have been something to it......



    http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/2007/04/01/hmn_feature14.html





    Back in the day... I am old enough to say this, ;), Marvel Mystery Oilers were in use on many different vehicles including Hudsons. Most of those I was exposed to were installed so that the source bottle was plumbed into the intake manifold at the carb base. My recollection includes assisting my Dad in the removal of the MM Oiler from the vehicle he was trading for reuse on the replacement. I have one of those veterans in my shop as a reminder of helping Dad maintain his Hudsons.



    :)
  • jjbubaboy
    jjbubaboy Senior Contributor
    Hey,

    I am curious as to the 'oiler' as well. I have something attached to my 36T that I am not sure if its that type of system as well. Or is it an early form of PCV?

    T Jeff
  • harry54
    harry54 Senior Contributor
    Do you think that the sytem works ? Do flat tappet engines benifit from a top oiler ?
  • harry54
    harry54 Senior Contributor
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  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Why not just pour some MMO into the gas tank?
  • duncan
    duncan Expert Adviser
    can you still buy Marvel Mystery Oil duncan
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    duncan wrote:
    can you still buy Marvel Mystery Oil duncan



    YUP,ANY PARTS HOUSE
  • Jon B
    Jon B Administrator
    I have used Marvel oil in my gas tank, every fill-up, for years. (The automatic oiler is just a way to "mainline" the stuff with less effort).



    My understanding, from fellow owners of the splasher sixes, is that the valves often hang up (and get stuck, when the car sits for long periods) due to the stems not getting much oil up there. The Marvel oil gets to the valves via the gasoline, not the internal engine lubrication. I can't say for sure whether the concept is valid, but I continue to use Marvel oil in my gas anyway. I haven't had any valves hang up in years, anyway!
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Jon B wrote:
    I have used Marvel oil in my gas tank, every fill-up, for years. (The automatic oiler is just a way to "mainline" the stuff with less effort).



    My understanding, from fellow owners of the splasher sixes, is that the valves often hang up (and get stuck, when the car sits for long periods) due to the stems not getting much oil up there. The Marvel oil gets to the valves via the gasoline, not the internal engine lubrication. I can't say for sure whether the concept is valid, but I continue to use Marvel oil in my gas anyway. I haven't had any valves hang up in years, anyway!

    Jon. what approximate ratio do you use ? Do yu add with each gas-up or every so often ?
  • harry54
    harry54 Senior Contributor
    Do you have any reccomendation as to oz to the tank ?? 8 oz to 16 gallons ??
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Harry, I know the back of the can says how much to use for a tank of gas.



    By the way, there is a similar product out there called "Seafoam". It works great.
  • mars55
    mars55 Senior Contributor
    harry54 wrote:
    Do you have any reccomendation as to oz to the tank ?? 8 oz to 16 gallons ??



    The back of the Marvel Mystery Oil bottle says "For best results add 4 ounces to each 10 gallons of gasoline or diesel fuel". It also says you can add one quart to your crankcase. I use Marvel Mystery Oil in my '49 Commodore Six at every fillup. I don't know if helps to lubricate valves but the car runs better with Marvel Mystery Oil in the tank.
  • Ol racer
    Ol racer Senior Contributor
    I have also used Marvel Oil in my tank prior to filling-up for years believing it helps lubricate the valve guides providing a little additional upper cylinder lubricant in the flat head design motor. Consequently, I have never had any valve sticking problem. Marvel oil can be obtained at Walmart in addition to Auto Stores.



    A couple yrs ago a similar product appeared named Stabil, but their advertisement is geared more around 'Storage' purposes. I have simply increased the amount of Marvel Oil in the tank prior to storage and never had any fuel problems.
  • Geoff
    Geoff Senior Contributor
    I've nothing against using such products, but my logical nature means I tend to doubt much effectiveness, particularly in a side valve engine. The valve stems that need assistance (if any) with lubrication, are the exhausts, and I fail to see how a dilution of 280:1 would effectively survive the combustion process. There used to be a product here called "Redex" which was promoted as cure-all for cylinder and valve wear, and it sold for many years, but died a natural death eventually. Remember water injection? It too was a cure-all for carbon formation detonation, bore wear, stoping valves from burning etc. etc. the current snake-oil product after the introduction of unleaded fuel was a fuel line catalyst called Feul-master,and aonother one called Carbonflo, which were plumbed into the fuel line, and ostensibly both supplied a pure tin lubricant to the fuel to protect the valves, and boost octane rating etc. etc. They sold by the thousands, @ $400 + until the A.A. did a scientific lab test debunking them. Guy who promoted them made millions in the meantime!
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Holy Cow Geoff,



    I bet you don't believe in Santa Clause either!
  • Geoff
    Geoff Senior Contributor
    Hey, like Santa Claus, these things come out of your own pocket in the long run!
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Come on Geoff, say Bah Humbug. LOL
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    My Hudson gets a can of red bull ever fill up. It gives the car wings you know....LOL
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    51hornetA wrote:
    My Hudson gets a can of red bull ever fill up. It gives the car wings you know....LOL



    But after the high wears off, doesn't your car become sleepy and depressed? :D
  • Geoff
    Geoff Senior Contributor
    I'll say "Bah, humbug" right after I go and throw the orange peelings on the front lawn to keep the tigers away.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Geoff C., N.Z. wrote:
    I'll say "Bah, humbug" right after I go and throw the orange peelings on the front lawn to keep the tigers away.



    Still having problems with tigers are on the lawn are you? Maybe you should try using some MMO.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    If you look real hard at Geoff"s picture, I think I see a bottle of MMO in that trailer!
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    I think it's a mini MMO tanker. :D
  • SuperDave
    SuperDave Senior Contributor
    bout 30 years ago someone tried to sell me one of those snake oil additives. His demonstration on my old Facon six went like this... Put a tach on the engine as it idles, poured a pint of the stuff in the crank case. The engine RPM went up 'bout 50 more RPM. His statement was "see ? It reduces friction". A week later I went to his house with a can of my own "snake oil". Did the same demonstration.. Sure enough a jump of 50 RPM. He asked me what it was. I told him "Kerosene". Reduces the viscosity, reducing drag from the oil pump. As they say.. There ain't no free lunch.
  • Geoff
    Geoff Senior Contributor
    Help! I'm being mauled by a tiger.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Geoff C., N.Z. wrote:
    Help! I'm being mauled by a tiger.



    Quick, threaten to put some MMO in the tiger's tank. Alternatively, try a dab of it behind your ears! :D
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