Looking for a 50's Hudson Hornet

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edited November -1 in HUDSON
Hey guys looking for any 50's hudson hornet to make a rat rod of, wondering if anyone knows where to find any. Already saw some on jaxed.com just trying to find more before i make a decision. thanks guys!!!
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  • Have you tried eBay and Craigslist?
  • Yep tried both, got a few good ones just wondering if you guys know of any other possible sites to find some at. thanks!! appreciate the help!!
  • OK, then you might want to join the HET club and become part of the helpful Hudson community. Alternatively, you could try contacting HET chapters to inquire about what cars their members may have for sale. The number of Hudsons needing restoration that keep popping up never ceases to amaze me. I'm sure you'll find one.
  • ok cool, where can i join this HET club? Sorry new to site don't where everything is yet , and thanks for all the help!!
  • Thanks guys greatly appreciate!!!
  • Jon B
    Jon B Administrator
    If you're looking for one to fix up, just be very sure to check the condition of the frame rails in the vicinity of the rear wheels. As you probably know, Hudsons were unit-body cars and monocoque technology was fairly new then, so they hadn't tackled the rust-out problem. If, for example, you find a nice looking Hudson for $500, you may discover that you have to deal with $2,000 worth of rust repair before you're even ready to tackle the engine, interior, paint, etc. So, take your time and inspect your potential car's condition well.
  • Thanks Jon appreciate the advice. Hey you might be able to tell me if this one i've found is a good buy. It looks good to me but i don't know . thanks!!!



    http://charlotte.en.craigslist.org/cto/974153862.html <- heres the link to the car
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    It's hard to tell from the small pictures, but there's serious rot issues on the bottom edge of the hood, which means the rear perimeter is most likely suspect as well, which is where the stepdowns have the most problems with rust/rot. BUT, for $1500.00, you can't go much wrong, can you?
  • That's what i figured, even if it has some rust. 1,500 with an engine and transmission included is almost a steel. Though he's in north carolina and me in New Hampshire is a bit far. What would you think it would cost to ship that thing to New Hampshire just curious.?
  • rambos_ride
    rambos_ride Senior Contributor
    Greenwood65 wrote:
    That's what i figured, even if it has some rust. 1,500 with an engine and transmission included is almost a steel. Though he's in north carolina and me in New Hampshire is a bit far. What would you think it would cost to ship that thing to New Hampshire just curious.?

    IMHO - keep looking.

    1500 is too much given the rust issues and that it's a non-running car.

    I can gaurantee you by looking at the pictures this car is WORSE than the 49 I bought ~ this car is going to be better off a parts car ~ trust me I have some experience with this - just check my website out!

    My 49 was also complete - frozen motor - no huge rust holes visible like in yours and I paid 1600 and change on ebay.

    I was lucky and the owner agreed to haul it to Kirkland Washington from Palm Springs CA for 500.00 - professional quotes I got at the time ranged from 750-1600.00

    Out the gate I had 2100 into the 49 then when I got into it the rust was much more extensive than it looked like.

    Stepdown Hudsons are unibody constructed so rust issues in the perimeter frame and other structural areas can really be a big problem.

    Wait, save a little more and buy one that runs or doesn't have the extensive rust issues.
  • Thanks for the advice rambos_ride !!!. and your website is great learned alot from it. You wouldn't happen to know of any places other than craigslist and ebay to find some would you?? just wondering.
  • rambos_ride
    rambos_ride Senior Contributor
    Greenwood65 wrote:
    Thanks for the advice rambos_ride !!!. and your website is great learned alot from it. You wouldn't happen to know of any places other than craigslist and ebay to find some would you?? just wondering.

    I gave up on ebay for anything but some parts and manuals. By the time you pay for shipping and fees and then deal with the scammers it wasn't worth it to me.

    You can always try other local car clubs - someone might know someone...
    maybe old wrecking yards - who knows maybe there's some near you?

    Craigslist is my current choice - buy locally and then you can get an eyeball or 2 on it. The 49 is the first and last car I'll ever buy again without looking at it first!

    My best advice - Just be patient, save more money and the right car will come along.
  • Thanks!! I'm glad there's soo many people like you on this forum that will take their time and explain to some 16 year old kid whats good and whats not and what i should and shouldn't do, thanks a bunch!!!! Really respect all of you and i agree, waiting a bit longer would probably be the smart idea. Thanks again!!!!-lucas!!
  • rambos_ride
    rambos_ride Senior Contributor
    Greenwood65 wrote:
    Thanks!! I'm glad there's soo many people like you on this forum that will take their time and explain to some 16 year old kid whats good and whats not and what i should and shouldn't do, thanks a bunch!!!! Really respect all of you and i agree, waiting a bit longer would probably be the smart idea. Thanks again!!!!-lucas!!

    Lucas -

    Poke around links under the Restoration section on my site - there's a lot of pics of typical rust-problem-areas and they can give you a good idea of what to zero in on when looking at one of these cars and what it might take to fix it.

    What kind of auto repair work are you going to - or be willing to - do yourself? Do you have help, space and tools? Those answers will dictate more what kind of condition of car you might actually need to look for.

    Besides working with my grandpa on his cars, I took auto shop classes in High School and got an apprentice job in a local bodyshop shortly after I graduated and did that for 8 years.

    I am a computer programmer now, but I have always been able to fall back on my early auto repair experience for extra cash when needed and to feed my love of cars!

    Also try random searches on this forum - like turbo charger, super charger, chopped top, etc...you'll find lots of Kool stuff to sift thru.

    Keep your eyes open Hudsons are rare - but they pop-up for sale more often than one might think.

    PS. I wish I'd bought a Hudson when I was that young! What a great car to discover life in!
  • Hah ironically i'm currently doing the same thing at my school and they've already offered me an internship too., Plus my dad did what you did as an apprentice for a local bodywork place, so if i ever needed help he's there. You know the truth of why im sooo interested in hudsons at such a young age, is because since this year everybody at the racetrack keeps calling me the hudson hornet, because i'm from hudson, New Hampshire and cause im as fast as a hornet. haha!So i looked up hudson hornet online one night during the summer and found the historic picture of one of those first ones they ran at Daytona Beach(NASCAR) and I absolutley fell in love with the car ever since!Now i can't stop thinking about them!! and great ideas!! thanks
  • Greenwood65 wrote:
    Thanks Jon appreciate the advice. Hey you might be able to tell me if this one i've found is a good buy. It looks good to me but i don't know . thanks!!!



    http://charlotte.en.craigslist.org/cto/974153862.html <- heres the link to the car



    Lucas,



    If you're going to eliminate the engine or other original Hudson parts, don't pitch them since they might have value to others. Selling or trading parts you don't want or need can help you recoup some of the purchase price or can help you get what you need and want. After all, they're not making this stuff anymore. :D
  • Greenwood65 wrote:
    Hah ironically i'm currently doing the same thing at my school and they've already offered me an internship too., Plus my dad did what you did as an apprentice for a local bodywork place, so if i ever needed help he's there. You know the truth of why im sooo interested in hudsons at such a young age, is because since this year everybody at the racetrack keeps calling me the hudson hornet, because i'm from hudson, New Hampshire and cause im as fast as a hornet. haha!So i looked up hudson hornet online one night during the summer and found the historic picture of one of those first ones they ran at Daytona Beach(NASCAR) and I absolutley fell in love with the car ever since!Now i can't stop thinking about them!! and great ideas!! thanks



    Lucas,



    It sounds like you have a bad case of Hudsonitis, one of the best afflictions a car guy can have. When I was about 10 or 11 yoa, I saw a nice 51-53 Hornet coupe that was abandoned and probably had been stolen. It was black and red with red leather interior. I was like you, all I could think was WOW! Even though having been bitten by the Hudson bug at such a young age, I never forgot that car. Although I have to agree that just seeing these cars can make hearts race, driving one is even better. When you join the HET club, you'll find the Hudson guys to be a different breed. In my case, I joined the club before I bought my car. The local chapter members were eager to help in any way they could. At one event, a member took me for a drive and told me if I wanted to get back without walking, I'd have to take the wheel of his Hudson. Woo Hoo!
  • WOW!!! Those guys sound pretty amazing and helpful, i'll probably join the club soon, can't wait till i get a chance to drive one too!! And of course if i have any left over parts from the planning project you guys will be the first to know about them, love the responses i learn alot!!
  • Found this one on ebay just wondering if its any good? Don't really have a good eye for these things , thanks-lucas



    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1948-Hudson-4-Door-Rat-Rod-Restoration_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ130276161498QQsspagenameZRSSQ3aBQ3aSRCHQ3aUSQ3a101
  • It is impossible to tell from just a couple photos. As the seller says, what you see is what you get. The car is only $600.... don't expect much. Also, you said you wanted a Hornet. This is not.
  • It isn't? really?? what would you might say it is then? it looked like one to me
  • Hudsonrules
    Hudsonrules Senior Contributor
    :)Hi Lucas, welcome to the forum, I would shy away from that Hudson on ebay that is in Mo. It has been sitting on the ground probably for a long time, guanteed rust issues. A friend of mine bought two '50 Hudson Pacemaker sedans in Alabama and had them shipped here to Nevada, one looked to be a parts car only, the other one looked pretty good untill we started poking holes in the body due to unseen rust. The parts car was then rebuilt into a rat rod. I have bought a few cars sight unseen and after the last one, no more. Pictures hide a lot. There are still a number of good solid Hudsons out there, take your time, look at the car in person, top, bottom, underneath, in and out. Take someone with you if possible. There are many Hudsons from the southwest that have found there way to the east coast. Many of the Hudsons that are found out here have surface rust, rotton rubber and interiors, plus an occaisional varmit. Be carefull where you put your hands or fingers, spiders, scorpians, and an occaisional snake, besides the mice. There will be a National Hudson car Club meet in Detroit this July, you may find your dream there. Take care and have a great day. Arnie in Nevada
  • It's a 1949 Commodore which has a 262 6 cylinder. The Hornets share the same "Stepdown" body style. Hornets were made from 1951 to 1954and all of them had the big 308 flathead 6 cylinder. Look up Hudson Hornet in Wikepedia and also google Hudson, stepdown, Hudson Hornet, etc and do alot of reading. You'll be an expert in no time.



    P.S. This is a great book on Hudsons, you can also find them on Amazon.com, etc.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=360120326561&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=023
  • thanks for the info and advice,was wondering why the hornet and commodore looked the same, makes sense now.thanks and if anyone has anymore advice or info for me let me know !!
  • Like anyone else, I guess the car you'll eventually buy will be based on the amount of time and money you want to invest. If you're just looking for a solid body and don't care about the rest, you can save some moola if you find a car that has a bad or missing engine and a ratty interior. For guys looking to restore a car to original/stock/number matching condition, it's more important to them that the car be as intact as possible with little in the way of critical parts being missing. More often than not, those cars will command a premium. BTW, you've gotten some sage advice here about watching out for rust. Remember, the stepdown Hudsons are unibody and rust in the structural parts can be devastating. Nothing worse that driving your unibody car down the road and having it crack in half. :eek:
  • I don't plan on restoring it to show room quality(dont have the money) just to good point, where do you usually see the rust form on a hudson? just curious?
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    Greenwood65 wrote:
    I don't plan on restoring it to show room quality(dont have the money) just to good point, where do you usually see the rust form on a hudson? just curious?



    Usually, the first place to go is the frame members located directly underneath the trunk pan. A bad seal on the trunk on a car left out in the elements will develop enough leaks to allow water to sit "inside" these frame rails and subsequently, rot them out. Spreads forward from there MOST of the time depending on the angle and orientation of the sitting hulk.



    Interestingly enough, even cars that have been "garaged" for decades and have little to no miles on them can be total rust buckets. It' s important to remember that Hudsons originally had no undercoating on the bottom of the car the way modern cars do. Cars that spent even one winter up north and drove on salted roads, is suspect to rust issues.



    I have a friend who bought a '57 Lincoln Continental Mark II that had 7000 original miles on it. After hauling it home from NJ, the frame broke in half on one side. The entire frame had to be replaced. These cars were built "body-on-frame", unlike Hudson Stepdowns, which are uni-body cars and rusty frame issues are best to be avoided except in the rarest of cases.



    Good Luck in your search and just be patient!!
  • So do hudson stepdowns (unibodies) rust the same way you described with the frame rails under the trunk rusting first?
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    Usually, yes. It's the first place to go and inspect with the ice pick.
  • thanks for the knowledge, sorry that i ask soo many questions but knowing the quality of a classic car isn't my good side. So if you got any advice feel free to inform me. appreciate all the responses so far!!-lucas
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