Starting problems

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edited November -1 in HUDSON
Help! Again.:mad: I cannot get my Jet to turn over fast enouch to start. i have three different starters that i have tried. I bench tested all of them and they turn over fine. I parked the Jet the day after thanksgiving and it was running fine, about a month later i went to start it and it turns over slow, even when, i zap a little 12 volt to it for a few secounds.:eek: I have also tried a good battery, no luck! It is in my garage with my crosley's and last night it was about 60 degrees inside, so I don't think temperture is an issue, but I do have 2ow50 Castrol oil in it. Could that be the problem?? I did notice that the block is cold as ice.:(:confused:





Thanks, Barry Smedley

Non starting 53' super Jet

and a buch of Crosley's

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  • Jon B
    Jon B Administrator
    Did the car used to start okay, especially in cold weather, or is this problem chronic during the winter?



    Are all your battery connections "bright and tight", with good solid grounds? You do have the correct large-gauge cable for six volts, right?



    How about the electrical components? Points, condenser, coil, etc.? Did the car start up okay during the summer? You might (just for fun) substitute a new condenser; they seem to be at the root of a number of problems.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    It started good in the summer, You had to pump the accelerator some when it was cold, I will try the condenser, and check all of my connections too.



    Thanks, barry
  • davegnh
    davegnh Expert Adviser
    Barry, if it won't turn over fast enough I would think it might be a ground issue or maybe the solenoid . Make sure the connections are clean, the heavy oil will make it turn over slower but I don't know if it will prevent a start. 60 degrees should not be a problem, good luck
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    davegnh1 wrote:
    Barry, if it won't turn over fast enough I would think it might be a ground issue or maybe the solenoid . Make sure the connections are clean, the heavy oil will make it turn over slower but I don't know if it will prevent a start. 60 degrees should not be a problem, good luck



    I would bet my nickel on what Dave has stated. ;) The ground connections from battery to chassis and engine to chassis should be removed and cleaned. If you are using current manufacture battery cables which do not have the appropriate gauge your current will also be diminished and slower turning will result. The fact that the engine turns slower is the give away... unless you have a head gasket problem which has allowed coolant to leak into the cylinders... which is a whole different problem set.



    Good Luck:)
  • harry54
    harry54 Senior Contributor
    I would agree with wild wasp. I live in the northeast and it's coooolllldddd. I drive my 54 Hornet all the time... Call Dave Kostansek and get the correct gauge battery cables which include the correct metal ground strap. It makes all the difference. If the current can't get thru it won't turn the starter fast enough. Even with a bench check , it's not under enough of a real load. The starter is most likely fine.....
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Ok, i cleaned everything, It seemed to turn over a little faster, I have a bigger gauge cable for the ground side that I am going to put on tonight, plus I have another solenoid to put on, I didn't know that a solenoid could cause this kind of problem. I may have to pull it to get it started and then go from there.



    Thanks, Barry
  • Park_W
    Park_W Senior Contributor
    Barry, if you have a voltmeter that's got a good low voltage DC scale, connect it across the two big solenoid terminals when it's cranking. If you read 0.5v or less, the solenoid's OK. Much over that and I'd swap it out. (connect neg. meter lead to the side toward the battery if you're still running positive ground).
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    I got it started! I checked the solenoid, with a voltmeter and read 0.2 so I figured it was ok. So to get it started, I slowed the timmig down a touch and it started! I put a timming light on it and to get it back in time, in order to get it back on the timming mark I had to max out the adjustment on the distributor. Do you guys think that the timming chain might be stretched? The distributor has never been out of the engine since I have owned it. Thanks too everyone that helped, Great bunch of guys!!!



    Barry Smedley

    53' SuperJet

    and a bunch of Crosley's
  • Matt1950
    Matt1950 Senior Contributor
    One area to check is your cranking voltage at the battery. I read that the cranking volts of a 6 volt system should be 5 volts or higher hot or cold. If it below 5 volts cranking then confirm that your battery is still in good shape. Thick oil will affect cranking speed.

    My chain and oil pump gear are a bit loose on my engine and I notice changes is base timing periodically.



    I checked the engines chain and gear play by removing the disibutor cap and determined how far the crank has to turn before the distributor rotor starts to turn.



    Rotate the flywheel so you can see the timing notches. (I do this to calculate how many crank degrees it takes before the distibutor rotor starts to move.)



    Put a socket wrench on the crank bolt and rotate the crank counter clockwise till the rotor starts to turn. Mark the flywheel with chalk by the timing hole.



    Then rotate the crank bolt clockwise till the the rotor moves again. If the distance between the chalk marks is over an inch on your flywheel you have excessive slop in the chain and/or oil pump gear.



    I checked my oil pump gear by removing my distibutor and placing a screw driver into the gear slot and rotated it clock and counterclockwise and noticed a large amount of gear mesh slop.

    All that slop reduces performance and can making starting difficult.
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