stepdown crash repair frame panels...
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Guys,
while over ar the Dougs saturday we drug out the three factory crash repair frame panels for pictures. these were NOS with no flaws at all, in fact two of these still had the factory TAGS still attached but were too old to read any numbers. While dirty from setting around for 50+ years they still had the factory brown primmer on them!
The ones Doug has consist of the right and left outer side frame rails that run from the front cowl area to just past the kick-up at the rear tires. The other is the center rear outer section below the trunk that runs from the left side to the right side. the center two bumper brackets would weld to this piece.
Working with sheetmetal for 20+ years these would not be difficult to reproduce but a special press tool & die would be needed to form the rear of
the side frame rails becasue of the compound bends.
I do have pictures but can't post them here without a site to host them. If someone would like to host these email me and I will send the pictures.
These would be something that many of us believe that one of the larger chapters should reproduce to earn extra income for their chapter. Lets face it many of these stepdown have rust of some kind in these three areas. Even my 50 Pacemaker from Oklahoma had rust in the right and left side frame rails.
If a chapter wants to step up and take a look at this contact me.
thanks,
PaceRacer50
while over ar the Dougs saturday we drug out the three factory crash repair frame panels for pictures. these were NOS with no flaws at all, in fact two of these still had the factory TAGS still attached but were too old to read any numbers. While dirty from setting around for 50+ years they still had the factory brown primmer on them!
The ones Doug has consist of the right and left outer side frame rails that run from the front cowl area to just past the kick-up at the rear tires. The other is the center rear outer section below the trunk that runs from the left side to the right side. the center two bumper brackets would weld to this piece.
Working with sheetmetal for 20+ years these would not be difficult to reproduce but a special press tool & die would be needed to form the rear of
the side frame rails becasue of the compound bends.
I do have pictures but can't post them here without a site to host them. If someone would like to host these email me and I will send the pictures.
These would be something that many of us believe that one of the larger chapters should reproduce to earn extra income for their chapter. Lets face it many of these stepdown have rust of some kind in these three areas. Even my 50 Pacemaker from Oklahoma had rust in the right and left side frame rails.
If a chapter wants to step up and take a look at this contact me.
thanks,
PaceRacer50
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One chapter might not have the budget to do an initial repro batch but perhaps a few can join together to do it. Ideally you'd do a run of at least 100 or so to get the economies of scale and the price of each individual one down.0
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PaceRacer50 wrote:Guys,
while over ar the Dougs saturday we drug out the three factory crash repair frame panels for pictures. these were NOS with no flaws at all, in fact two of these still had the factory TAGS still attached but were too old to read any numbers. While dirty from setting around for 50+ years they still had the factory brown primmer on them!
The ones Doug has consist of the right and left outer side frame rails that run from the front cowl area to just past the kick-up at the rear tires. The other is the center rear outer section below the trunk that runs from the left side to the right side. the center two bumper brackets would weld to this piece.
Working with sheetmetal for 20+ years these would not be difficult to reproduce but a special press tool & die would be needed to form the rear of
the side frame rails becasue of the compound bends.
I do have pictures but can't post them here without a site to host them. If someone would like to host these email me and I will send the pictures.
These would be something that many of us believe that one of the larger chapters should reproduce to earn extra income for their chapter. Lets face it many of these stepdown have rust of some kind in these three areas. Even my 50 Pacemaker from Oklahoma had rust in the right and left side frame rails.
If a chapter wants to step up and take a look at this contact me.
thanks,
PaceRacer50
I can host the pictures for you send them to dan@ypfs.com0 -
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PaceRacer50 wrote:Guys,
while over ar the Dougs saturday we drug out the three factory crash repair frame panels for pictures. these were NOS with no flaws at all, in fact two of these still had the factory TAGS still attached but were too old to read any numbers. While dirty from setting around for 50+ years they still had the factory brown primmer on them!
The ones Doug has consist of the right and left outer side frame rails that run from the front cowl area to just past the kick-up at the rear tires. The other is the center rear outer section below the trunk that runs from the left side to the right side. the center two bumper brackets would weld to this piece.
Working with sheetmetal for 20+ years these would not be difficult to reproduce but a special press tool & die would be needed to form the rear of
the side frame rails becasue of the compound bends.
I do have pictures but can't post them here without a site to host them. If someone would like to host these email me and I will send the pictures.
These would be something that many of us believe that one of the larger chapters should reproduce to earn extra income for their chapter. Lets face it many of these stepdown have rust of some kind in these three areas. Even my 50 Pacemaker from Oklahoma had rust in the right and left side frame rails.
If a chapter wants to step up and take a look at this contact me.
thanks,
PaceRacer50
Pictures of the frame repair pieces
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Man, that would be nice to reproduce these, along with the rear perimeter frame members. We'd probably save alot more Hudsons if it were such an easy fix, comparatively speaking.
I like this new posting format! You can now actually reference back to the thread. Most helpful.:D0 -
Wow! What a find!0
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Ok where is Bentmetal we need to get these to him and get them replicated. I will take the first three sets for my parts shelf. I know Russ will take 10-20 sets so we are good for the first run.0
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MORE - we need more NOS parts!
Are these slated for a rebuild?
They really need to be digitized intially - then worry about getting a production run.0 -
rambos_ride wrote:MORE - we need more NOS parts!
Are these slated for a rebuild?
They really need to be digitized intially - then worry about getting a production run.
I think that's exactly right. We need to get these scanned and into the computer. Then, even without computer-assisted equipment, the specs would all be at your finger-tips.
I don't know about 10-20 sets, but I'd sure take 3.0 -
How does he find someone in his area to digitize them? And why is this thread so wide? I can only see half of it at a time.0
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Also, this looks like it's the outside of the frame box. You would still need the inside, more than likely both pieces would be rusted out in the bottom. Although the inside is just an "L" shape, maybe you could just wing it on the inside? He's for sure got the tricky piece needed for the pattern. ...Just thinking out loud.0
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bent metal wrote:Also, this looks like it's the outside of the frame box. You would still need the inside, more than likely both pieces would be rusted out in the bottom. Although the inside is just an "L" shape, maybe you could just wing it on the inside? He's for sure got the tricky piece needed for the pattern. ...Just thinking out loud.
The inside would definately be easier, although I'm sure there were originally crash repair panels for these pieces as well. For that matter, NOS doors, quarters, hoods, decklids and fenders are still out there as well, as well as skins only for doors, as we now know.
The thread is so wide on pg. 1 due to the pictures that Dan posted. They are LARGE, so the thread widens to accomodate the pics.0 -
RL Chilton wrote:The inside would definately be easier, although I'm sure there were originally crash repair panels for these pieces as well. For that matter, NOS doors, quarters, hoods, decklids and fenders are still out there as well, as well as skins only for doors, as we now know.
The thread is so wide on pg. 1 due to the pictures that Dan posted. They are LARGE, so the thread widens to accomodate the pics.
Actually they are on my server... and I did not resize them so the folks who want to down load get the benefit of the full image fidelity can do so.
Laser scanning of a part can usually be accomplished by most large sheet metal forming houses that do custom short runs. The fact that there are so many automotive and truck slow downs and shutdowns... the cost of this should be very reasonable as well as getting interest to do short runs. Now is the time to look into finding the slow metal forming houses... they are looking for work. I recently had a fellow cold call me ... but, I do make those types of procurement decisions. The caller was looking for any kind of metal forming work. That caller was in the pacific NW and my work is all located in Texas. So, this contact reinforces my theory ... now is the time to use the shops that are idle to do this custom work....
Good Luck to those who will explore this task.
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So.. any word on these? Could be handy.0
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I think you guys are on the right track.
These are going to be a fairly thick metal. 16 gage, if I remember right? That might not seem like a big deal. But it sorta', kinda', eliminates doing the job even in short runs by hand. Not impossible, you could do it, but harder for sure. Most of my machinery is geared toward body parts. Usually 18 or twenty. But I've made frame rail patches before. Just not a whole length like this. Also these pieces are not straight bends. So whoever does make these needs to understand that.
Digitizing was mentioned. I think that's a great idea. Something I know nothing about. I have however seen some one make body panels this way. Fenders and quarter panels to be exact. But the computer makes a three dimensional connect the dots kind of cut-out of the part that has to be welded together. Sorta like oragomy. The part looks like a robot made it after it's welded together. After that it needs to be smoothed out and shaped correctly for it to look right. Perhaps there is a computer digitizing out there that can bend shapes, not just angles? Like they do with bending of exhaust tubing and roll bars, etc.? My guess is that's what you would need? Maybe?0 -
Hi Ken. Why don't you ask your friend? He might know. I've got a friend that has a big brake. He made some splash aprons for me with some very acurate bends and radii as well as some square and round holes. After he had everything for a couple of weeks he calls me up and says he's got a problem. He can't figure out how to cut the radius in the front because it's a changing curve. Hmm! I could do that part of it. He didn't have a machine that could do it, so it stumpt him. Even though he made some other things that I don't understand how he did them. My point is, Perhaps your friend knows a way to make this part because he runs the machine all the time? He might be able to "bump" it every so many inches and get it to curve? ...I don't know. It will be interesting to see what he has to say.:)0
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I think making frame rail kits could save a lot of Hudsons that might other wise be passed over. I would love to have that option to buy kits we could use for repair. Keep up the research everyone its a good thing for Hudsons.0
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Ditto, thanks, Bob0
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I think the pieces could be water jet cut from a proper autocad drawing. The main straight section could include the flanges to be formed on a press brake, each flange on the non-straight section may have to be made individually and welded to the main vertical 'S' section that could continue beyond the straight section and would be much easier to form without the flanges attached. Just my take from the photos. Bob0
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I'd like to see a straight edge on the frame rails. Just how much really is straight?0
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Just found this thread. My side rails are eaten up also. Has anyone found a source for these rails or the metal to fabricate them?0
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Hornetdriver wrote:Just found this thread. My side rails are eaten up also. Has anyone found a source for these rails or the metal to fabricate them?
The availability of frame rail repair pieces is pretty much NIL. There are HET members who do own these elusive repair parts; it is my guess that they are not For Sale. I have posted some pictures of what others have done to correct their particular problem. Persistence and skill will bring you to a successful repair on these often rusty panels.
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Thank you for the information, that will help. Mainly worried about side rails (structural members). Any suggestions on those?0
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Heres a couple shots of my rust repaired 52 hornet sedan. More details on my Build thread "brads 52 Hudson Hornet Build thread" in the street rod section. Its an involved repair with changing geometry. Why there are no repair sections repro'd is beyond me. To rebuild the rear end, keep in mind the rust probably stretches to the inner rear wheel arch where it gets more costly to duplicate the curves. I doubt anyone would let good donor frame rails go at all, as if they are good, you are better off building that car in its entirety. the rockers are probably also in need of TLC if the rear is that toasted. mine was. good luck.
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someone might want to try contacting Classic Enterprises in WI to see what they think about reproing these parts. They already do a lot of Studebaker, Jeep, Ford and others:
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Tried that company. Said no and suggested I buy a Studebaker.0
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