Extreme chop!!!! Have you guys seen this???

lsfirth

I think chopped Hudsons look amazing, but I think these guys have gone a little too far. What do you think??? There must be 6 inches missing???





You can see more of it at:

http://www.lordzofkustomz.com/projects/49%20hudson.htm

RL Chilton

As far as the chop goes, I think the integrity of the design is gone. Roof- line no longer compliments the speed-line. Now the back of the car looks as though it's sticking WAY out there too far. There's a difference in chopping a car to make it work, and chopping it to make it look "right".

As far as "Hudson" goes, there's not much there anymore that was Hudson.

Should make a fun ride for someone when completed, though.

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Channelled and extreme chop-hope it's for a really short dude. Personally I like it but the back of the top seems to angle too much-would rather see it follow the beltline a little closer. But, I promise it will garner a lot of attention in public! I give it 3 stars (outta 5).

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Sorry, I forgot, can't be channelled as no frame (hehe). I would like to see how he did get it that low.

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Rarerodder wrote:

Sorry, I forgot, can't be channelled as no frame (hehe). I would like to see how he did get it that low.

From the position of the rear wheel I'd say it sits on a brand X frame.

[Deleted User]

:DAt the moment it seams to be some kind of hovercraft:D

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walt norem wrote:

:DAt the moment it seams to be some kind of hovercraft:D

Now that's funny, I don't care who ya are!

mrsbojigger

I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, it looks like it's going to be a fun ride. The complete running gear and frame is from a '79 Monte Carlo.

Peace,
Chaz

lsfirth

Hudson308 wrote:

It is extreme, but because he used the longer roofline of a brougham it works for me. The profile reminds me of the "Purple Passion" casting made by Hot Wheels...



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Yeah if you were to put the "purple passion" on the ground, it would look pretty similar (except it's a merc) :-)



It works for me too, there's tons of attitude in that chop. I don't think I would be "bad" enough to cruise this thing around!!! I'm gonna chop my brougham too, but probably not this much I still need to finish the MII front end install and the 4-link rear.....then I'll break out the hack-saw.



Lee

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I've gotta say....I LIKE IT!!!!!! Looks just like the little leadsled car I bought for my sun at the last Good Guys show here in Scottsdale (though its a Merc, there is very little difference). Now, having said that, I would have left enough room for my arm to hang out the window. I'd love to see how he's doing this, that's an extreme chopped Hud.

RL Chilton

Hudson308 wrote:

One of many challenges with a whack this low is that you'd have to install seats so short you couldn't hang your tattoo'd arm out the window.
Don't know if you've seen this thread before, but "HudsonCustom" did the nicest brougham chop I've seen yet.
http://classiccar.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=62&jfile=showthread.php&t=12668&highlight=panty+dropper
Another update;
http://classiccar.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=62&jfile=showthread.php&t=13456

I agree. Hudsoncustom did it right, and has the proportions right.

lsfirth

Hudson308 wrote:

One of many challenges with a whack this low is that you'd have to install seats so short you couldn't hang your tattoo'd arm out the window.

Don't know if you've seen this thread before, but "HudsonCustom" did the nicest brougham chop I've seen yet.

http://classiccar.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=62&jfile=showthread.php&t=12668&highlight=panty+dropper

Another update;

http://classiccar.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=62&jfile=showthread.php&t=13456

Yes....HudCust did a great job on his brougham. I think it looks great and as he mentioned in his write-up somewhere it's probably what the designers were originally going for. But it doesn't look enough different than the stock roof height to me. With his chop method, IMHO, the rear window ends up a little low and too close to the trunk deck surface. For some reason I like chops that have the rear of the roof tapered and smoothly flowing into the trunk. I'm probably the guy that people love to hate since I'm voicing my opinion on a fantastic chop that HudsonCustom did. Don't get me wrong, I really like his chop job, but I would have (and am going to) smooth the back end out a little by chopping the back a little more than the front and trying to blend the roof into the trunk a little more. I hope I didn't come across negative, because I really like HudsonCustom's chop. A chop this nice takes tons of effort and he did a great job and a great service to the community by documenting it so well. I love Hudsons....chopped and stock.



Okay I'll take my beatings now....go ahead.



Lee

RL Chilton

Lee-

I think that's a point well taken. I agree about the back window. It's been my experience that the very best chop jobs are not the ones that are the quickest and easiest to do. Rather, it's about 10 times more work than to simply take a few inches out of the middle. I've seen chops where 1" was taken out of the middle, the top of the windshield was raised 1" up into the roof line and the bottom of the windshield was lowered 1" down into the body. Proportionally speaking, oftentimes, you can't even tell that the car was chopped, because all the factory proportions were kept as close as possible to original. Sometimes you can look at a chop and not even really realize the car has been chopped, but simply that it has "the Look". Those are the very best, but of course is a tremendous amount of more work.

Overall, it always is better to do "a little here, a little there", rather than whack 3-6" all out of one spot.

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lsfirth wrote: »

Yes....HudCust did a great job on his brougham. I think it looks great and as he mentioned in his write-up somewhere it's probably what the designers were originally going for. But it doesn't look enough different than the stock roof height to me. With his chop method, IMHO, the rear window ends up a little low and too close to the trunk deck surface. For some reason I like chops that have the rear of the roof tapered and smoothly flowing into the trunk. I'm probably the guy that people love to hate since I'm voicing my opinion on a fantastic chop that HudsonCustom did. Don't get me wrong, I really like his chop job, but I would have (and am going to) smooth the back end out a little by chopping the back a little more than the front and trying to blend the roof into the trunk a little more. I hope I didn't come across negative, because I really like HudsonCustom's chop. A chop this nice takes tons of effort and he did a great job and a great service to the community by documenting it so well. I love Hudsons....chopped and stock.



Okay I'll take my beatings now....go ahead.



LET THE WHIPPINGS BEGIN!!!!:p



Just kidding-it's all in a matter of taste. I know the style chop you like is the more traditional look. Me personally love the chop of HudsonCustom because it retains somewhat original lines but is now much sleeker. It's all personal taste. Imagine if everyone did cars the same way. It would be like small block Chevys, they'd all soon look the same. (uh-oh, now I may take a few lumps for that one )

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Okay, now you're all going to get beatings!!!! Just kidding, I'm using Mopars these days.

lsfirth

jsrail wrote:

Okay, now you're all going to get beatings!!!! Just kidding, I'm using Mopars these days.

you guys are fun! thanks for not beating me up too bad. I think Russel is right the best chops take a little here and a little there and maintain proportions to where you can't exactly tell what was done just that it looks great. I like the small block chevy comment

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Funny, It's been a while since I've logged on here, and here you guys are talking about my car!



I'm familiar with the "Lordz of Kustomz" Hudson, I've seen it on another site. It's a bit extreme for me, but to each his own right?



As far as the rear window treatment discussion on my car goes, I spent quite a lot of time figuring that one out. I'm really not a fan of the roof flowing into the deck-lid on any car, much less on a Hudson, because the designers saw fit to give it such a beautiful reveal around the back window, and I really wanted to keep that.



I took great care in making sure I didn't get closer to that reveal than 1 1/4 inch, so I could save that body line, and make it look factory (If that was possible).



By no means and I saying that the way I did my chop is the best, on the contrary, it's just another way to skin the cat. There are a few other cars out there that really hit the nail on the head...I can post some photos if you'd like.



There are also quite a few cars that REALLY missed the mark in my opinion, and that was what I was trying to avoid.



Thanks.

Keith

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By the way, those posts are pretty old...I'll see if I can rustle up some newer photos...



this was jsut after I got it in DP sealer...before any of the stainless went back on.





and another of the back end for discussion purposes...





And one taken this summer...





It's coming apart again as we speak, for paint and chrome work...

lsfirth

hudsoncustom wrote:

By the way, those posts are pretty old...I'll see if I can rustle up some newer photos...

one taken this summer...





It's coming apart again as we speak, for paint and chrome work...

Hey Hudcustom, I really do like your chop! Like you said, there's a lot of ways to skin the cat. If you ask 5 people what the best chop is, you'll get at least 6 different answers.



Believe it or not I saw your hudson at the billetproof show this summer in chehalis. I'm such a dummy, I never put 2 and 2 together to realize it was yours. I think the black paint through me off I even talked to one of your friends and he said you had a marquis frame under it or something??? Which is now so obvious. Anyway, the show was fantastic and you certainly brought the only stepdown!!!! Thanks for holding up the Hudson torch I snapped a bunch of pictures of your ride there. Glad to see the progress you've been making - keep us posted!!



Thanks,

Lee

MikeWA

Hudsoncustom, did you make it to Billetproof this summer? I was there, but didn't bring my car- you may have come after I left. I had "prior commitments", so couldn't stay long.:(



Car is looking good!



Hope to see you next year-



Mike

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Lee - Thanks. Yeah, it sits on a stretched 82 full size Ford / Mercury frame. There weren't too many options for me, cause when I bought the car, it was just a shell...and the black is just sealer...to keep the rust at bay until all the body work was tackled.



Mike - yeah, I drove down for a bit, but I don't think I got there until 11, and left by 3 or so. Thanks!

bent metal

hudsoncustom wrote:

Funny, It's been a while since I've logged on here, and here you guys are talking about my car!



I'm familiar with the "Lordz of Kustomz" Hudson, I've seen it on another site. It's a bit extreme for me, but to each his own right?



As far as the rear window treatment discussion on my car goes, I spent quite a lot of time figuring that one out. I'm really not a fan of the roof flowing into the deck-lid on any car, much less on a Hudson, because the designers saw fit to give it such a beautiful reveal around the back window, and I really wanted to keep that.



I took great care in making sure I didn't get closer to that reveal than 1 1/4 inch, so I could save that body line, and make it look factory (If that was possible).



By no means and I saying that the way I did my chop is the best, on the contrary, it's just another way to skin the cat. There are a few other cars out there that really hit the nail on the head...I can post some photos if you'd like.



There are also quite a few cars that REALLY missed the mark in my opinion, and that was what I was trying to avoid.



Thanks.

Keith

YES YES!!! Post some of the other pictures, please. We would like.:D

Unknown

Here are a couple of Chopped Hudsons from Australia



I chopped and converted the Bronze custom to a two door in 97 for a customer, and it was finished off in 2005. The owner may be registered on here as well.



The 4 door was chopped by Lindsay Houston of LDI Kustom Koncepts in 2006?



Lindsay was responsable for the paint and final assembly on the Bronze custom as well

Unknown

Rods car originally belonged to a friend and customer of mine

It was offered to me in its original unrestored condition, but i passed on the offer. Bad decision!

Rod picked up a very clean example, and then turned it into a stunning head turner. He did a fantastic job on it as a home built custom.

I met Rod for the first time a couple of years ago, when he first displayed the Hudson at the Queensland Hot Rod Show.

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Totally Awesome!!! You can't get much better than that 2 door and I love the Bronze color.

lsfirth

jsrail wrote:

Totally Awesome!!! You can't get much better than that 2 door and I love the Bronze color.

Couldn't agree more. The Bronze one is actually what inspired me to buy my '49 brougham! I still can't believe it was a 4 door originally.....that sounded like too much work, so I hung around and hung around until my brougham showed up in a Montana craig's list. I've got a long ways to go, but some day if it looks half as nice as the bronze one I'll be tickled.



Here's another link to smooth cruzin's build if you haven't seen it......absolutely fantastic work!!!



http://www.carpoint.com.au/Tig/Minisite/Minisite.aspx?alias=carpointau&id=7338



Thanks,

Lee

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hudsoncustom wrote:

By the way, those posts are pretty old...I'll see if I can rustle up some newer photos...



this was jsut after I got it in DP sealer...before any of the stainless went back on.





and another of the back end for discussion purposes...





And one taken this summer...





It's coming apart again as we speak, for paint and chrome work...

Man that is one awesome ride... nice job!!! I've looked at all the "old" posts of your build up, do you have any pics of work done to the rear fender openings? As I was reviewing your build (and cutting and pasting in word for reference) I thought that if I was doing the work I would probably finish the lips rather than run skirts. The more I look at this rod the more I want a chopped step down.



As for that extreme chop by LofC that started the original thread... they can keep it, way too "flat" for my taste. They totally destroyed the nice overall shape of the Hudson. I always say, less is more and having subtle changes that really make a car look good, keeps you guessing as to what was actually done (and fooling the general public altogether) is the way to go and is the mark of a true craftsman.



Can't wait to see the new paint job... be sure and put the same level of effort in blocking her... "wipe on wipe off" :cool:





Craig

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I love that bronze and may still shoot it on my coupe, possibly a slightly darker shade. I want to keep my original herringbone dash which is a kinda brown and black color. I thought a deep bronze might look good with the dash. I just not sure if I can get ghost flames with that color. My neighbor knows a guy that shoots a real mean looking paint job and ghost flames that he can get done for me for a few hundred dollars. He has a lot of favors guys owe him and he's helping me by using some of those for my cars. But, I've got a long way to go. I'd love a minor chop, but it's not in my budget and I think it will look good enough without one. But those broughams just look *****in with a nice chop, like it was made for it!

lsfirth

Smooth Customs wrote:

Here are a couple of Chopped Hudsons from Australia



I chopped and converted the Bronze custom to a two door in 97 for a customer, and it was finished off in 2005. The owner may be registered on here as well.



The 4 door was chopped by Lindsay Houston of LDI Kustom Koncepts in 2006?



Lindsay was responsable for the paint and final assembly on the Bronze custom as well

Hey Smooth Customs....in one of your write-ups somewhere you mentioned that getting the "first" custom single piece front glass is extremely expensive, but once they've produced one, they can re-produce them for a reasonable price. Do you mind sharing with us "droolers" where you got the one piece front windshield, and if you have any pics of the modifications you did to "smooth out" the crease in the windshield channel at the center of the cowl and roof? I'm planning on chopping my '49 and would consider the one-piece glass if a) the price is reasonable and b) the mods to the channel aren't too difficult or beyond my capability.



We all appreciate it!!!



Thanks,

Lee

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The 54 windshield opening is probably what you need to smooth the opening. Over the years I have seen several <5 pre-1954 stepdowns with the 54 windshield installed. It never occured to me to ask how they had accomplished the swap. If you are going to chop ... take a look at the 54 open, it maybe what you can graft into the top to create the smooth opening?

lsfirth

Heart_Of_Texas wrote:

The 54 windshield opening is probably what you need to smooth the opening. Over the years I have seen several <5 pre-1954 stepdowns with the 54 windshield installed. It never occured to me to ask how they had accomplished the swap. If you are going to chop ... take a look at the 54 open, it maybe what you can graft into the top to create the smooth opening?

Hmmm....no kidding....I never thought of that. I just assumed the 1 piece hudson widnows would be entirely different. I'll pay closer attention next time I see a '54 and try to estimate what it would take to do this. Thanks Ken!!



Lee