Visor just came in

RL Chilton

stepdown wrote:

I'm looking for visor that would fit a 54 step-down hornet ,any leads.

No, but that brings up an interesting point. As far as I know, there wasn't a visor made for '54's. Reason was because of the lack of a center windshield divider. But, you CAN fabricate a bracket that will do the job. Dave Sollon has done just that on his '54, maybe John Forkner did the same. I'm sure they have pics to show how they solved the center bracket dilemma.

RL Chilton

Richie wrote:

There is a stepdown visor just listed on ebay, starting bid of $50.00

Visors in good shape with all the hardware are typically selling in the $400 range.

RonS

Cadillac offered a visor for their one piece windshield in 1950. To stabilize the center of the visor a hole was drilled for a bracket in the roof about where Hudson has the usual antenna. Saw one sell for a bit over $1k on ebay a couple of years ago. Leaks ???

[Deleted User]

Originally they were painted a gray primer on the under side to kill any reflection. Do not put a bright color on the under side. Paint the center support also. Walt

chopperchuck

RL Chilton wrote:

Richie wrote:

There is a stepdown visor just listed on ebay, starting bid of $50.00

Visors in good shape with all the hardware are typically selling in the $400 range.

i couldn't find it?? whats it listed under?

Richie

chopperchuck wrote:

RL Chilton wrote:

Richie wrote:

There is a stepdown visor just listed on ebay, starting bid of $50.00

Visors in good shape with all the hardware are typically selling in the $400 range.

i couldn't find it?? whats it listed under?

Its up to $102 the auction # is 290682003055. I don't know how to put the link here. Richie.

[Deleted User]

Lee ODell wrote:

I didn't know if my visor was made of steel or aluminum. Went to check with a magnet. It is aluminum. That triggered my memory back 40 years ago when I was painting air planes. Aluminum required a primer specific for aluminum to prevent oxidation (called rust on steel). If I remember correctly the pprimer was called green oxided primer, a peutrid green color. I would think that is why the visors came green. Aluminum tends to corrode more around brackets and holes. We also, painted the rivets & brackets with the same primer. Might consider painting anything that comes in contact with the aluminum visor with the same primer. Checking at an air port repair hanger would be a good place to find out todays current primer for use on aluminum. The FAA is very specific what can and can't be used on air craft.

Lee O'Dell

Lee, I was a USAF and DCAS inspector for aircraft... the "primer" you speak of is ALODINE.

ALODINE - A non-anodic protective coating. Alodine {aka Iridite, aka Chromate Conversion} is a microscopic thin film commonly prescribed on aluminum to provide an excellent surface prep for paint, aid in corrosion resistance and to impose desired electrical resistance characteristics,


This is a different treatment than primer used on the Fulton visors.

Cheers...

lsfirth

RL Chilton wrote:

This is all good info! Thanks Ken for posting those. I forgot about the different bracket-depths. That's a good point.

That's good stuff, Lee. Thanks for posting this.

Yes...excellent response from everyone....thanks for all the info...very appreciated. I'm now armed to the teeth for the upcoming swapmeet season :-)

I'll check out this one on ebay, but now fear I'll be bidding against all you high rollers :-)

Thanks again!
Lee

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RL Chilton wrote:

stepdown wrote:

I'm looking for visor that would fit a 54 step-down hornet ,any leads.

No, but that brings up an interesting point. As far as I know, there wasn't a visor made for '54's. Reason was because of the lack of a center windshield divider. But, you CAN fabricate a bracket that will do the job. Dave Sollon has done just that on his '54, maybe John Forkner did the same. I'm sure they have pics to show how they solved the center bracket dilemma.

Dave Sollens Visor pictures are attached.



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Other 54 visor pictures are attached.



Cheers Ken

Lee ODell

Lee, I was a USAF and DCAS inspector for aircraft... the "primer" you speak of is ALODINE

Thank you. I could not recall what it was called. ALODINE still doesn't sound familiar. Maybe it was called by another name where I worked. It has been a few decades ago.
Lee O'Dell

bent metal

I think I agree with most what everyone is saying. I tried to find the other thread where the visors were talked about. Couldn't find it. But I did find this one.
http://www.classiccar.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=13&id=146455&Itemid=152

Get ready, because here is my two cents. :huh:

In my opinion,...I believe,...there were evolving visors produced. The early ones had the short brackets. Maybe because of clearance for the windshield surround stainless (as mentioned earlier), maybe the brackets were made longer to allow air to pass under. I wouldn't argue either opinion. Also you will find both aluminum and steel visors. I think aluminum are the early ones, the steel were the later, improved visor. If I see a visor for sale at a meet, and it's damaged. You can almost bet it is either with the short brackets or made of aluminum. Because those are the ones that blow off on the freeway.

As for the green on the underside. I agree with you guys on that too. The undersides and the center bracketry were that green primer color. Today you can paint it flat green, which is what I would suggest. Not just green primer. Any gloss would defeat the purpose of flat green. Also I think they were green for a reason. I'll bet somewhere, at some time long ago, some one did a study that confirmed a flat green in a certain shade would make for low reflectivity. ...Now stay with my on this. Before you call "BS" on me for that. Think about the earlier mentioned military stuff. AND, the underside of the bill on a baseball cap! ...Flat, ugly green equals low reflectivity.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

bent metal

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hudson-Stepdown-Sun-Visor-1949-1954-/290682003055?hash=item43adff5e6f&item=290682003055&pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr

Looks to be aluminum, short brackets. Can't tell for sure, looks bent right in the middle on the passenger side? Maybe, maybe not.

But they mention it came off a '49.

RL Chilton

bentmetal-

I had completely forgotten you made these . . . not sure I saw that previous thread. From the looks of the brackets in the boxes, it appears you have a blue ton of these in stock. Do you stock a number of visors on hand as well?

Thanks for the info on the green aspect, as well. When the weather clears up here, I'm getting my green paint out and start finishing my visor.

And, for the record, so that you have one more infinitesimal bit of information to fill your visor folder in your head: the visor on my sedan is aluminum (as is the NOS one for the convertible). She's been around 80-85 mph for scores of hours and, on one occasion well in excess of 120, with the visor attached. Glad to report that it is still attached. I am of the opinion that proper installation outweighs any design flaws that one would find in a visor laying on the freeway.

SuperDave

I have seen several original Hudson Karvisors fresh "outa the box" They were GREEN on the underside and back in the fifties the aluminum primer was called Zinc Chromate. At least that's what they told us in the USAF Aircraft mechanics school. It should be available through several paint suppiers and is the proper primer for aluminum. It is dull and does a great job of cutting down glare.:)

bent metal

RL Chilton wrote:

bentmetal-

I had completely forgotten you made these . . . not sure I saw that previous thread. From the looks of the brackets in the boxes, it appears you have a blue ton of these in stock.Yes, I have a few. But none of the outside center trim pieces. Do you stock a number of visors on hand as well?No. I make those now and then when I have time. No time right now.
Thanks for the info on the green aspect, as well. When the weather clears up here, I'm getting my green paint out and start finishing my visor.[I know that there is special paint for aluminum. I use to use Vari-prime, it was sorta greeenish. But whatever the reason, the visors were all green underneath. As everyone has said.

And, for the record, so that you have one more infinitesimal bit of information to fill your visor folder in your head: the visor on my sedan is aluminum (as is the NOS one for the convertible). She's been around 80-85 mph for scores of hours and, on one occasion well in excess of 120, with the visor attached. Glad to report that it is still attached. I am of the opinion that proper installation outweighs any design flaws that one would find in a visor laying on the freeway.

A lot of people are just fine with them. I had one on my fifty-one. I guess I would just say if everything is correct, no bolts work loose. Then it's fine. But I'd still rather have the steel one. Same with the brackets. I see a lot of cars with the short ones. People seem to be fine with them. But I'd still rather have the long ones.

hudsontech

SuperDave wrote:

I have seen several original Hudson Karvisors fresh "outa the box" They were GREEN on the underside and back in the fifties the aluminum primer was called Zinc Chromate. At least that's what they told us in the USAF Aircraft mechanics school. It should be available through several paint suppiers and is the proper primer for aluminum. It is dull and does a great job of cutting down glare.:)

Zinc Chromate is what it was - the military used that stuff by the ton, not gallon. Right up there with the ever enduring red lead used (in my experience) on Navy and Coast Guard Ships below the water line. Everybody used both of these preservatives.

Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN

onerare39

The visor that I have on my 54 is a Fulton Sun Shield, I think it is model 1022. It fits the roof contour perfect, and as with other visors, you can't turn the antenna to the down position.

Lee ODell

SuperDave wrote:

I have seen several original Hudson Karvisors fresh "outa the box" They were GREEN on the underside and back in the fifties the aluminum primer was called Zinc Chromate. At least that's what they told us in the USAF Aircraft mechanics school. It should be available through several paint suppiers and is the proper primer for aluminum. It is dull and does a great job of cutting down glare.:)

Zinc Chromate is the primer I was trying to remember.
Thanks SuperDave
Lee O'Dell

bent metal

I'm not familiar with that '54 visor! Is it modified in any way? Or was it originally made for a '54 Hudson?

It looks like a nice fit.

onerare39

Bent,

I don't think Fulton made it for Hudson specifically, but it fits beautifully. The really cool thing that I like about this particular Fulton model is that the leading edge is cast pot metal that is chrome plated, it has a heavy look and feel to it. The leading edge in the center section is stainless steel though.

Ebay had one for sale a few months ago, new in the box never been installed. It sold for $1,125.00.

John Forkner

lsfirth

Richie wrote:

chopperchuck wrote:

RL Chilton wrote:

Richie wrote:

There is a stepdown visor just listed on ebay, starting bid of $50.00

Visors in good shape with all the hardware are typically selling in the $400 range.

i couldn't find it?? whats it listed under?

Its up to $102 the auction # is 290682003055. I don't know how to put the link here. Richie.

Well, looks like I'll need to start playing the lottery. This one sold for over $700....I thought I was crazy for putting in a max of $400 :-)

Which one of you Hundson freaks bank rolled me???

I won't need one for a while, so I'll keep looking :-)

RL Chilton

That's absolutely crazy! I never heard of one going over $500, and that was for an NOS example. They typically sell for around the $400 mark.

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Hi i am brand new to this forum,i live in the uk and have the only 49 4door super six in the country,i was very lucky to win a step down visor on ebay and have restored and fitted it just today,just thought i would show you all...mark oh i have also rescently purchased an ultra rare rear window blind,once restored i will post pics.