1950 Pacemaker Horn - advise please

ernie28

I understand that the Pacemaker originally had a trumpet type horn - I have one but also have a pair of the compact type that were used in the other models that I may use. Can someone please provide a picture or diagram of where the horns were fitted and what the mounting brackets looked like. There is nothing obvious in the engine bay that I can see and I do not want to drill holes unnecessarily.
Thanks in advance

Alistair
NZ

RL Chilton

Alistair-

See pic attached. Horns used were the compact type (someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all step-downs utilized the same horns, same mounting set-up). These mount to the diagonal braces that run from the firewall down to the frame. At the top of that brace, there is a curved 'C'-shape and the horn bolts to that. Actually sandwiches it with a bit of rubber between for shock. The two horns were different from each other, a left and right and each with it's own tone (and upper and a lower).

RL Chilton

I'll take a picture tomorrow of a bracket that is loose and not mounted in a car to more clearly show the 'C'-portion.

ernie28

Thanks Russell.

Do you have a photo of higher resolution as I cannot zoom as the photo gets too pixelated. I appreciate your help

Alistair

[Deleted User]

The 1950 Hudson Pacemaker used one trumpet horn. This was a stand alone model that had this setup for one year only.

[Deleted User]

The Pacemaker Deluxe (50A) had the dual horns as I have on mine whereas the standard Pacemaker had the one trumpet horn as pointed out by "Hudzilla" (just my "two cents" or rather..... "tooting my horn!").

RL Chilton

It's amazing. I learn something new about Hudson's every single day.

Alistair-

Let's try it again. Look at brackets hanging up (cowl vent is in the middle). They are hanging upside down. The 'C' goes at the top . . . .

Wait, let me go get another pic . . .

Horn(s) mount at the top of the diagonal brace set in place in 2nd pic. Note 'C'-shape at the top. Horn(s) mounts to this part of the bracket.

Hope this helps. If you need something else, let me know.

Click on pics for a bigger view.

ernie28

Hi Russell, that is very clear thank you and very interesting - my car does not have these braces and there is not even any sign of the top fastening point as can be clearly seen on the RHS of the firewall photo nor is there any sign of fastening points on the chassis rail (see photos and excuse the wiring not yet finished). Yes it is RHD
Just wondering if this may be due to the shorter 119in chassis - is your car 124in? I can clearly see where they need to go so will have to look at making some appropriate mounting brackets for the firewall. I do appreciate your help.
Maybe some further info on this may be added to this tread.

Alistair

RL Chilton

Alistair, that's interesting. So, your car is an import, but studying these cars as I have lately, I can see very easily how they were designed to be either RH or LHD, as mounting points, etc. are on both sides of the chassis. Actually, RHD is more difficult, due to the clutter of components, as Geoff has brought up before. Meaning, if the clutter wasn't enough on the RH side, now you've got steering components in the way as well. It was my understanding that most everything was the same on the imports (at least step-downs). Looking at your pictures, I don't see where the mounting bracket for the brace goes, or was, if ever it was there, which I thought it should've been. I wish Geoff would chime in, perhaps he knows more.

I'm gonna study your pics some more, as there are foreign holes there, as well.

To answer your question, yes, my car is the longer 124", but I thought the braces were used on both the senior and junior cars.

hudsn47

Junior cars don't have the braces.

Geoff

S.w.b. cars don't have the braces. I used to own this car, and it had the original long trumpet horn, which used to short out on the battery occasionally! Actually the history of the car is a bit convoluted, it was originally brought to N.Z. from Malaya by a N.Z. serviceman, who obtained a r.h.d. conversion kit form Australia and had it converted locally. when I bought it, it had no exhaust system, and I had a huge job fabricating the front pipe, because of the steering arm in the way. Turned out it still had the l.h.d. exhaust adapter. I eventually obtained the correct r.h.d. right-angle adapter, made things a lot easier. Read my next W.T.N. article to find out why I sold this car.
Geoff

RL Chilton

I knew we'd get down to the bottom of it all . . . well, at least y'all would. Sorry if I added confusion!

So, junior car owners: what do the short horns mount to? I assume a small bracket that attaches directly to the firewall?

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Hopefully the attached pictures will allow you to determine the installation requirements for the dual horn installation found on most of the Short Wheel Base Hudson Stepdowns. The installations shown are of the horn installation in a 1953 Wasp. Note that the two horn brackets are NOT installed in the same manner for this car. One of the mounting points (Left side of the car/driver side in the US variant) has a slot cut into the firewall re-enforcement brace to accept the horn bracket. The horn bracket on the opposite side bolts through the same brace on the opposite side.

First and second pictures are of the right side the remaining four pictures are of the left side installation.

Just for histories record, at one time I had three 1950 Pacemakers. All had the trumpet horn set up. The convertible of the bunch had a high and low trumpet horn set. All of the trumpets were mounted on the right side of the car.

ernie28

Ken, that is just perfect! Many thanks for going to the trouble of the photos and your descriptive notes.
Thanks also to everyone else who responded.
I am confident that the job can now be done properly and looking the part. I will print the pics and head to the shed shortly.

Thanks again
Alistair
NZ