EBAY INSANITY

TOM-WA-

IS IT JUST ME OR DO ANY OF YOU THINK THAT THE PRICES ASKED FOR HUDSONS IN LAST YEAR OR SO ARE INSANE.

NONE OF THESE CARS ARE GOING TO SELL FOR THEIR ASKING PRICE AND IN FACT QUITE A FEW OF THEM ARE NOT EVEN
GENERATING ANY OFFERS.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-Hudson-Convertible-1951-hudson-hornet-convertible-dark-red-black-top-leather-int-must-/261549068531?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3ce58a10f3&item=261549068531&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-Hudson-Super-Six-1929-hudson-super-six-coupe-runs-great-roll-down-back-window-original-/231285462040?forcerrptr=true&hash=item35d9b01418&item=231285462040&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-Hornet-Phil-Herman-Collection-53-hudson-hornet-nascar-6-cyl-automatic-/171396045455?forcerrptr=true&hash=item27e8001a8f&item=171396045455&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-1950-hudson-super-8-coupe-/121397695908?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1c43ddd5a4&item=121397695908&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

drivergo2

Same as alot of the parts, If you think you can get 50.00 put a 100.00 on it and you never know.  John

lostmind

They all seem 30-40 %  high , but the 50 is way out range

dave s

Not if you paid for restoration with shop rates of 100 to 150 an hour

TOM-WA-

IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO A RESTORATION ON A CLASSIC CAR YOU SHOULD KNOW UP FRONT THAT YOU WILL "NEVER" RECOVER THE COST..

IF AT SOME TIME YOU DECIDE TO SELL THAT CAR YOU ARE CRAZY TO INCLUDE THE FULL PRICE OF THE RESTORATION IN THE ASKING PRICE AND ALL YOU ARE DOING IS WASTING TIME AND ENERGY POSTING ADDS THAT HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE OF GETTING A SALE.

YOU CAN EITHER DO A FULL RESTORATION AND LIVE WITH THE COST OR IN THE CASE OF A HUDSON HOPE THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO PURCHASE A REASONABLE PRESENTABLE CAR THAT YOU CAN LIVE WITH EVEN THO IT MAY NOT BE CONCOURS OR BARRETT AND JACKSON CLASS.

lostmind

Not if you paid for restoration with shop rates of 100 to 150 an hour

Maybe , but they all still need some work. I wonder If any of those cars saw a $150 an hour restoration shop.

This hobby is getting to be an "observation only " one. Used to be a hobby car cost less than your daily driver,

something to tinker with. Long past that now. Even if I was selling , I would still think they are over priced.

I can understand guys that have collections want to see those cars sold for those prices. Protects their

" Investment"

Kdancy

100-150 an hour? Wish I could go to work at one of those shops!
Good luck finding these younger skilled workers that actually want to restore cars for a living!
Pay them an actual "living" wage and enough to afford some sort of health care, train them and then watch them leave at the drop of a hat and work at a body shop where more money can be made from insurance jobs and they don't have to work on the same car for more than a few days.
Recently, I had two very young boys that came with their grandad to my shop. One was so wrapped up in his I-pad game that the old cars was just a nuisance to keep him from playing his game. The other boy was totally fascinated by every car he looked at and set in, that kid is a rare exception, very rare---I can't remember the last time a young person came here that actually enjoyed those "old cars".
And one more rant- I hate most of the "rebuilding-restoratio" TV shows as they give people the wrong impression of the actual work-time and effort involved in an actual restoration.
Ok- I'm gone!

Browniepetersen

I know the cost at a shop is way out of reality. You also have to remember that most mechanic shops today run from $65 to $85 to fix our daily drivers. There are a few shops around me that will do mechanical work and body work for $45 an hour. Even at that price the cost can be too high. I did a project to restore some hubcaps last year (1930 Essex caps) and the breakdown ran something like $125 for chrome per cap and over $300 each for labor based on $45 per hour. Fact of the matter here is that costs in general have gone up for all of the items we use, I have a nicely restored "rare" (I love that term rare) Hudson that I put up for sale some time ago and could not even get an offer for half of what I had in actual restoration (parts alone and not labor) costs (Good thing that I did not have to sell the car).I know of some folks that pay a lot of money for a car because they do not have the time or talent to build one, but they are very successful and have more than enough money. It will always be that way. I spoke with one of the folks that have one of the listed cars for sale. He told me that he was going to take the car to " BJ" in the fall because he knew he could get a hundred grand for it there. My question to him was why is he messing around with the ad on Ebay for a third of that price.... We know the answer....

RonS

Some of you guys have enviable talent with automotive work. Maybe it is because this talent was related to your life employment. Most of you have homes, or farms that can accommodate the machinery and space necessary to RESTORE a car. But many don't have the abilities, or the ones that do not have the space. If you are one of the knowledgeable, and have the ambition and space...Salute. But, one, most of us live in cities or "city type suburbs". We may have a 2 car garage which is adequate for storage, but can not fit the tools, presses, paint booths and gadgets needed for a restoration. Momma may not like her car left outside, while both garage bays are being utilized.Look, Al Saffrahn told me at the 2009 HET Meet in Pontiac, that to restore, not modify, a 53 hornet it would take $60k to get to only a #2 car. That is Arizona labor costs(a bit above slave wages) . Try NY,LA, Minneapolis, DC etc. The shops even in Tucson get $90 hr and dealers over $100. My friend just bought a fully & correctly restored 37 Dodge 2dr . The owner(celebrity) wanted $45k. When there were no takers at half that price, My friend got it for a bit above half on an offer. But, no one will restore a car if they know that they can not recover their costs. Supply & demand will prevail. Bottom line... What would that Convertible cost to RESTORE to that condition, with labor included?

TOM-WA-

BARRETT & JACKSON HAVE DONE MORE TO DESTROY THE COLLECTOR CAR HOBBY THAN ANY ONE I CAN THINK OF IN RECENT HISTORY.

ANY YAHOO WITH MORE MONEY THAN COMMON SENSE FIGURES THAT HE CAN RESTORE ANY CAR NO MATTER THE COST AND EASILY SELL IT FOR TWICE HIS INVESTMENT...

THUS WE ARE SEEING THESE REDICULOUS ASKING PRICES ON E BAY FOR HUDSONS AND
THE HOBBY IS BEING PRICED WAY BEYOND THE AVERAGE PERSONS CAPABILITIES.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT A YOUNG PERSON IS GOING TO BUY A HUDSON AT 20k OR MORE WHEN HE CAN PICK UP A USED HONDA, TOYOTA OR OTHER FOREIGN CAR FOR A COUPLE OF THOUSAND AND WITH A MINIMUM INVESTMENT HAVE A SERVICABLE CAR.

WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE THE SUPPLY OF HUDSONS IS FAR IN EXCESS OF DEMAND AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE WONDERFUL CARS WILL REMAIN ONCE OUR GENERATION IS NO LONGER AROUND

ken1962

 

G'day,

The prices on ebay seem quite reasonable for an Australian perspective :-)

For example, currently in Australia is a Hudson for sale for $55,000  - see link

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?silo=stock&q=((((((((SiloType%3d%5bBrand+new+cars+in+stock%5d)%7c(SiloType%3d%5bBrand+new+cars+available%5d))%7c(SiloType%3d%5bDemo+and+near+new+cars%5d))%7c(SiloType%3d%5bDealer+used+cars%5d))%7c(SiloType%3d%5bDemo+and+near+new+cars%5d))%7c(SiloType%3d%5bPrivate+seller+cars%5d))%26(Make%7b%3d%7d%5bHudson%5d))%26(Service%3d%5bCarsales%5d))&vertical=car&sortby=TopDeal  

Here is another link showing what the average prices being asked for about 260 different classic & hotted cars here in Australia this week

http://www.autotrader.com.au/search?current_page=1&urlname=&search_location_state=&search_vehicle_type=CAR&search_type_make=&search_type_model=&search_details_earliest_year=&search_details_latest_year=1940&search_details_lowest_price=&search_details_highest_price=&keywords=What+are+you+looking+for%3F

Our HET club magazine this month said that about 4000 new car registrations for USA classic/vintage//hotted are being recorded here in Australia every month!!! - all coming by shipping container purchased from USA

Guys, your cars are  $$$CHEAP

 

 

ken1962

Hi Dochubler, I think you're on the right track. Maybe we should seriously think about international car trading

If you look at my previous post, ***any*** left hand drive car advertised in our local carsales website here would have been bought in the USA for next to nothing,(and probably just for sale here) -  shipped over to Australia for $7000 plus tax then sold on to Australians at double the bought price including shipping. I'm assuming this because if you look 

at this advert for a 1928 Ford - its left hand drive, its not Australian, probably still has USA rego and is going for $26,000 - take off the import fees and I'm sure you'd roughly know what a model A Ford should be getting USA? If you look at all the adverts and only look at the left hand drive cars only prices then compare it to USA you'd probably see what kind of mark-ups importers here are getting

A few years ago, we had to have left-hand cars converted to right hand - this has now stopped and left hand cars are flooding in - especially for collectable 50/60/70's muscle cars

  http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Ford-Model-A-1928/SSE-AD-2904506/?Cr=16&sdmvc=1

sounds like a good way to make a lot of money :-)

50C8DAN

I few years ago I had a number of extra performance axle parts left over from a Studebaker project.  A guy in Australia was very interested.  The problem of course was the shipping cost would be far in excess of the price of the parts and beyond what he (or if I was in his shoes) or I would be willing to pay, all air freight now that the US mail has done away with surface shipments.  One of the Stude guys however had run across an Aussie that had set up a business in Long Beach, CA for the express purpose of shipping cars and parts from the US to Australia!  I contacted him and told him what the deal was.  He was more than happy to help out.  I shipped the parts via UPS to his location and he included them in a container.  The buyer on the other end picked them up about a month later.  The shipping cost I believe came out to around $125.00 total, which considering the air freight was $400 was very reasonable.

Trevor J

Well you guys in the US may be getting your wish. eBay has banned people from overseas from looking at cars for sale on their web site or at least they have banned NewZrealand members from doing so. I asked for an explanation and they told me it was because the cost of shipping overseas was too expensive as if that was any of their business. It is interesting that I can look at cars for sale anywhere else in the world but not the US so much for being the land of the free.
Trevor NewZealand

terraplane8

Trevor,

You're right, I am sad to admit.  Princeton University and Northwestern U. recently released a study and concludes the US is no longer the majoritarian democracy people once thought it was but rather an oligarchy.  Sadly, too few of us want to admit it, let alone do anything about it.  Yet. 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-17/princeton-study-confirms-us-oligarchy

Yes and you don't even have the right of habeas corpus if your elected dictatorship decides it doesn't like you. That's pretty serious stuff............http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-suspension-of-habeas-corpus-in-america/5311701

TOM-WA-

ONCE AGAIN WE START OUT WITH A TOPIC OF OVER PRICED HUDSONS AND QUICKLY ARE OFF IN ANOTHER DIRECTION TALKING POLITICS...

FOCUS PEOPLE!!!!.......

lostmind

There are forums for political discussions.

Hudson Grandpa

Boy I'd like to get into this one about politics, but I won't. The prices that Barret Jackson wants for cars is ridiculous. The cotton pickin car didn't cost over $4000.00 in 1950-60-70. Look on Hemmings and bring up cars for sale, Hudsons. 45 or so when I was on there. Then go to the HET Mag and see how many Hudsons are up for sale there. What does that tell you. Tom-WA hits the whole subject on the head. These guys that are selling Hudsons watch Barrett Jackson, and a Wasp has got a price tag on it for 25-35,000 dollars. Jeez my 54 Hornet cpe runs like a top, with all the amenities that makes it run great, with a great paint job, fantastic upholstery, you name it, it's got it. I'll be lucky if I get $21,000 for it. And I MEAN LUCKY.
It's hard for me to put this into words, but You people and me will see the last of the Hudsons. Do you think that a guy that was born in 1980 or 1990, wants a Hudson so bad that he can taste it. Yeah, if his Dad owned one. What about the other 2000 Hudsons left over. Oh I forgot to mention Craigslist...The Hudson Automobile was hands down one of the finest rides that Detroit came up with in it's time. Problem was there just wasn't enough of them made to flood the market...We are all proud of our finest rides, and enjoy them while you are on this planet. Sorry, take me out of the seeing the last of the Hudsons. I won't make it.

Lee ODell

prices will continue to go up just like everything else. My Dad paid $6,000 dollars in 1950 for 3 bedroom house. I paid $65,000 in 1983 for our 3 bedroom house.. Both homes in todays market are in the $550,000
bracket. I can't see they are worth that price but if the time comes to move I'll be happy to take it. But by that time I may not be able to afford the cost of a home to move into. To think a burial sight my be what my Dad paid for his house. Now that is a outrageous price for 3'X6' peace of real estate. .

$550,000 would sure make it easy to find a bunch of very nice Hudsons. Or maybe add a camper to my 47 Hudson PU to retire in.

I recently helped a family sell 15 Hudsons. They all needed some work but affordable. I believe the highest price paid was $3500 for a 54 Hornet coupe with 7X engine. I recently sold 2 of my 47 PUs to a young man knowing I didn't have the time or finance to fix them up. I'm glad I did because he has already done a lot toward restoring them. Hopefully they will be back on the road soon. That gives me time to focus on my remaining PU and a little more cash to do a better job.

When I look through the club roster I see a large number of members with a lot of Hudson in their stash. Nothing wrong with that. I got cot up in collecting Hudsons too just because I wanted them. Had six, now a 52 Hornet and a PU. Also, while looking at the roster there are a lot of members without a Hudson that would very much like to have one.

Maybe some of the have'ms could bring themselves to let loose of some. I would encourage those to give this some thought.

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Browniepetersen

Lee, I have said it before but it is good to say it again. I have one of the Hudson's from George's estate that you are speaking about. I see on the various sites that a car like the one that I bought sells for three times what I paid. I have been very pleased with the history that goes with my car and I am tickled pink with my car. I have three Hudson's now and happy that my desired collection of Hudson's is complete. I do not need any more--or any less. Once again, thank you very much for helping me get into my 1954 Hudson Hornet Special Coupe. Perhaps, you will get to see it in person in the next year or so?

Hudson Grandpa

Again Tom_WA is right on the money. I fail to see what politics have to do with owning a Hudson Automobile. I guess Doc means Politics in the Club. I'm just a schlep that just had barely enough money
to own one Hudson. Oh sorry my first car in 1952, and my new Bride. Ft.Sam Houston, San Antonio, TX, 4th Army..

Lee ODell

Hi Brownie

Will you be at the Laughlin Economy Run or All Calif Meet at San Simeon Lodge?

Your Special already looks better than when you picked it up. I'm glad I was broke at the time or yours and a half dozen of the other Hudsons would have been setting in my yard. It's better they are in good hands and will be back on the road. Looking forward to seeing yours when we meet again. I remember it was one of the last few to go. I know it will be a looker when you get it finished. Is it drivable now? The way yours looks today seems to be fashionable to many at the moment. I saw a really nice looking 50 Cadillac in a wheel alignment shop recently that the car owner had deliberately sanded through the paint down to primer to get that patina look like your car.

I hope someone buys that group of 10 Hudsons mentioned recently. The price was good. There are parts floating all around that could put them back in service. Most people like really nice looking cars but not everyone wants one like that. Some would just like to have a Hudson to drive and make some improvements to suite them. They don't all have to be total costly restorations. It's OK to have Just a driveable Hudson. Over time they can be dressed up if the desire is there.

I like to see the total restorations at the Hudson meets but I also like to see those barn finds that show up that may not look great but are now being driving again.

Again I encourage anyone with a extra Hudson to consider making it available for someone that really wants one. It really made me feel good helping find new homes for those 15 Hudsons and for my two PUs.

Lee O'Dell

Glowplug

This forum and all others like it are dedicated to sharing information with like minded folk who have an interest in sharing what they know about that marque.   Tom started this thread with examples of what he terms "insane prices for Hudson automobiles on eBay".  

This commentary sparks others to remark about that topic and other associated (to them) related bits and pieces of information.

The cost of any Hudson is in the eyes of the beholder.  All who have purchased and owned these cars values them in their own way.   My rusty eBay purchased 54 SW Hollywood will hopefully be fully repaired in the future... in the mean time it is worth every insane penny I paid for it...

terraplane8

One thing I have noticed is that Ebay HET parts are a lot more expensive than they used to be!

Personally I don't mind if the cars are inexpensive - I'm still rueing the very nice '32 Essex Terraplane RS coupe I missed out on bidding at auction earlier this year for $13,000.......the time lag bidding online was enough for me to miss out! Sold before I could press "bid again". That seemed a very good deal to me as it was very tidy, original and complete - black guards and blue body.

Browniepetersen

Lee, I am planning to be at both All Cal and Laughlin this year. I am not sure I will have the courage to drive the 54 that distance by then. The car is up and running but still remains with some minor work to be completed before I start road trials. If all goes well, the 54 should make it to Laughlin. Some of our good friends, and fellow HET folks are telling me to drive the car as it is and never paint it. I will drive it, but I am a paint up and fix up type of guy. I do plan to keep all the racing stuff that Wayne put on the car so that part of it is not going to change--right down to those chrome caps on the head bolts.....

Nevada Hudson

A lot of venders and cars were leaving the French Lick National on Thursday.

lostmind

One thing I have noticed is that Ebay HET parts are a lot more expensive than they used to be!

Personally I don't mind if the cars are inexpensive - I'm still rueing the very nice '32 Essex Terraplane RS coupe I missed out on bidding at auction earlier this year for $13,000.......the time lag bidding online was enough for me to miss out! Sold before I could press "bid again". That seemed a very good deal to me as it was very tidy, original and complete - black guards and blue body.

I've had parts listed for sale on this forum for several months , no interest, no offers.

I had them on the old ClassicCar forum , no interest , no offers.

I checked prices on Ebay , and I'm way low.

 

If they were GM parts or Ford , they would be long gone.

Next stop is dump.

Just sayin'

RL Chilton

Where do you have parts listed?  I don't know about them.  

lostmind

Where do you have parts listed?  I don't know about them.  

Parts and pieces --5 ads

I know if they were stepdown NOS chrome they would be gone. Us old guys can't hold this stuff forever.

Rob Fayette

I think all discussions should be in the general Hudson category because thats where they will get read the most.  Then also post them in the appropriate category as well.  Just my opinion.  Rob