anyone seen Chevy 350 in 54 Super Wasp?
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Check with Esidro Salinas -- San Antonio Texas... 54 Hollywood with Continental 350 and 350 Auto with air.0
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OK, has anyone seen a CHEVY 262 in a Super Wasp?
YUP, that's a Chevy 262 cu in, V6, 4.3L; some were via car and some truck; some had a roller cam (YUP), and some had roller cam & TBI (YUP), and most have aluminum heads and intakes.
I now have to determine if a V6 will physically fit. The V8 is TOO long! I suspect the V6 is workable, and much, MUCH lighter!
Anyone seen a V6 in a 54 Super Wasp?
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That 4.3L GM engine is a great choice - tons of parts availability, add the Buick turbo setup, lots of options on building these engines! Great idea in a Wasp, I think!0
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What is the problem with your 308 you have been working on?0
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Well, I am still working on the original 308 (for display ?), but I'm seriously considering other options, especially when I think about the foot pressure required to hold that accelerator for a 1000 -mile trip (no cruise). Other advantages too are obvious, such as the price of fuel, maybe a little lighter w/V6, upgrade from a leaking, cast iron DG-200 3-spd to a 4-spd aluminum automatic that doesn't leak and locks up in 4th (with 0.67:1 (200-4R) output rather than 1:1 output). i.e., if at 75 mph, as is, it's turning 3000 rpms, alternatively, with the 200-4R, at 75mph it'll be turning 2000 rpms - that is worth thinking about when considering the price of fuel. The 200-4R tranny must weigh at least 100 #s less too than the cast iron DG-200 (boat anchor ?) !
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thinking...............
Just thinking; almost too hot to work in the shop now anyway.0 -
You can buy a generic cruise control from JC Whitney and others for about $110. Work great I have installed many of them on FI and Carb cars both. Takes about 2 to 3 hours. You can also contact Randy Maas (http://21stcenturyhudson.net/products.htm) for a GM 700R4 or 2004R trans adapter/kit that will bolt to your 308! Have your cake and eat it too!0
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I have a 200-4R adapter on order from Dany. I'm also considering the Mustang II subframe, with power assisted rack & pinion steering.
It's called Resto-rod, I believe, the way many cars are being done these days.
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your throttle presslure can be adjusted by using a lighter, longer spring on the return pressure. the engine that you got with the car is fine, USE IT AND GET SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HUDSONS TO SET IT UP, BILL ALBRIGHT0
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Sounds like by the time you change the motor,trans, add a Mustang suspension, it ain't a Hudson anymore. Just my opinion but you are changing everything that makes the car special and different from everything else. The cars ride great, handle well and have plenty of power, even more more available with a few tweaks.0
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from the HET Orange Blossum Chapter's ODDS & ENDS:
This weeks winner of the Loonie Bin Award
In the WTN (White Triangle News) Jan/Feb issue, Volume 40/Number 3, page 21-22
in a "letter to the editor", to quote:
"Dear Editor,
I am afraid this letter might bring numerous violent replies, but I can't help but feel that it is long overdue. First of all I wish to point out that the engine is the very heart and soul on my automobile. Without the engine the rest is simply an empty shell. If you take one of the General Motors engines (Chevrolets, Oldsmobiles etc.) which seem to be so vaunted by a small number of HET members judging by comments in the HET News, and wrap a Hudson body around it, you no longer have a Hudson. You have a damned GM Chevrolet. I have no animosity toward street rods as such. While I have no desire to own one, I can appreciate the hours of work and money spent on some of them, but I don't want to see something with a Chevrolet engine, Oldsmobile drive line etc. stuffed into the remnants of a Hudson body, and then have the beast extolled as a Hudson. It's not a Hudson, and when we accept it as such-we are downgrading all HET cars and the Club.
Evie and I have five Hudsons, all in concourse condition. They are a 1909 Model 20 Roadster, a 1927 Super Six Fire Engine (500 G.P.M. pumper), a 1940 4-Door sedan, a 1947 Hudson Pickup (3/4 ton) and a 1953 Hornet, 4-Door. We also have nine other cars of other makes, but no GM junk. I am not a purist on restoration. Our 1909, Chester, is 100% authentic. So is our 1927 Fire Engine. Naturally the pump etc. is not Hudson but every single automotive part from wheels to motor is Hudson with no other automotive parts. Our 1940 Hudson (the Green Goose) is all Hudson but the paint color is not authentic. Our '47 Pickup, has a 308 motor, but as everyone knows, it is a HUDSON motor. The body color is a non-authentic pearl white; however, the fenders etc. are Hudson Harvest Tan. Satan, our '53 7X Hornet with the all leather (original) upholstery is a non-authentic blue and gold color. Other than that the tranny (still Hudson) has had the alteration of the straight line floor shift, called the Dragfast that I added for faster shifting during hill-climbs and other competitions in which I frequently participated. As you can see I am not an authenticity purist, but you will also note that not one of our cars contains a single part from some other auto manufacturer.
So much for that now on to my next gripe-this is the long story (actually in letters to the Editor) which seems to be typical of the attitude which appears more and more in the WTN. The writer talks about a brush he had on the road when driving a '52 Hornet. A '51 so-called Hudson Super Six followed by a '54 Buick passed him full out. He couldn't understand what had happened until later he found that the '51 Hudson had an Oldsmobile engine. He then makes the inference was obviously that, "naturally a Hudson Hornet was beaten by that sacred Old's V8"! (Above statement is mine-not in the text), but the inference was obvious. The writer then goes on to say he liked the Oldsmobile setup much better than the Hudson and contemplated making the switch and regretted not having done so later when be throw a rod. He then got rid of the Hornet and traded it in on a Chevrolet that he loved so much and his brother also traded the Hudson for a Chevrolet. This trashing of Hudsons and adulation of General Motors might be appropriate in the newsletter of the "Chevys Best" Club or the Cadillac-LaSalle Club but not in the WTN.
Hudsonly,
B.L.M. (end quote)
Well he sure has one thing correct....this is one of those "numerous and violent" replies. To begin with...let's examine Mr.B.L.M.'s logic. Question: If you put a Hudson engine in a '52 Chevy, is it now a Hudson? It has the "heart and soul" of the Hudson so it must now be a Hudson. Can it attend the meets as a Hudson? Enter the Hudson events as a Hudson? Be judged as a Hudson? According to "B.L.M. logic", it can. Continuing with the "B.L.M. logic", lets suppose Mr.B.L.M. has a bad heart (no wishing, just hypothetical) and he requires a transplant. Ok, a new heart is located, your old ticker is removed and your new "engine" is installed (after all what is a heart but the bodies engine?) The new heart did not come from the B.L.M. clan, the donors name was "Smith" - Question: Can you now be called "Mr.M."? Or must you now be a "Smith" and remove any and all associations with the M's? If you say NO, you are a hypocrite according to your own logic. (And you are the one who has givin a 2 ton hunk of iron and steel a human heart and soul, not me!) And another statement that frosts me is the "I'm not a purist", and the paint is not Hudson, and this and that isn't Hudson but the engine is Hudson! Give me a break. Either it is ALL Hudson or it isn't. Make up your mind. How about the stainless steel valves being used now in the engines so you can run unleaded fuels? They sure as hell did not come from Hudson! Note: All you guys using stainless valves no longer have a Hudson, so don't let Mr.M know it or you will be ostracized from his little world! If your going to "not associate" with any "impure" Hudsons I'd imagine we would loose around 3/4 of the members, as most all the Hudsons I've seen have been modified one way or another, from 6 to 12 volt, ignition systems, starters, suspension and so on and so forth. And a final note worth mentioning is the Hudson's with the V8 engines. Hudson built a V8? Not!! (But I guess them Hashes ain't real Hudsons anyway, right Mr.M.?)
Now, let me make Mr.M.'s day......
I have a 1953 Hudson Super Jet (yeah yeah to some it ain't a real Hudson either) and it is absolutely original with the exception of the engine, transmission, wiring and bulbs. The Jet now sports one of those damn GM Vortex V6 4.3 tuned-ported fuel injected computerized motors and a 700R4 transmission. Isn't it a shame I get 28 m.p.g. in town, have AC and cruise control and if I break down away from home I can get parts from any parts house or GM dealer. Sad. And isn't it a shame it has twice the horsepower of the 202 and will run around 150,000 more miles than the old 202 before I need an overhaul? It's so sad it starts right up cold, won't flood gasoline, never need points, condenser, carburetor adjustments, timing set and numerous other things this "crappy" GM junk has. Oh well, I just didn't know any better, what can I say.
My point is folks I have original cars down to the last nut and bolt, modified cars, all kinds, makes and models and I enjoy them all. I also enjoy the HET club and the Street Rodders club and several others. The people I do not like to associate with are the "B.L.M.'s" of the world and I never will. When I do, I'm not as nice about it as I am here. There are always a few of these kind of people in every club that make it a little less fun for all of us with their snobbery and stupidity. (Even in my own chapter, the Orange Blossom, there are a couple of real winners! I won't name names but they know who they are.) Isn't it sad he has the privilege to express his opnions in the very publication, the WTN, that he claims the editor, other WTN staff writers, and the HET members, opinions and stories, have no place (should not be included) in the WTN, that he just does not like, approve of or agree with? (His own not included, of course.) Yes, lets censor the WTN to pure Hudson ONLY and fire the pinko Editor! NOT!!!
'nuff said!
Terry Ray, radical HET Member
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People have been running SBC's in Hudsons since SBC's were introduced. It's your car - do what ya want. An SBC will fit fine in a Wasp - Jay's putting a 'Vette motor in his Pacemaker which is the same wheelbase as the Wasp, and I'm sure the SBC has a smaller footprint than the big straight 6 that was originally in your Hudson.
I think it's great that you're considering keeping the Wasp a 6 by using a 4.2 Chevy, but it probably would be a lot more costly than a carburated 350 because of the extra cost of the computers and controllers - unless you have a line on a wrecked Chevy pickup for sale cheap.0 -
Regardless of the engine and/or tranny, it puts another Hudson on the road.0
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Terry, I hear ya on many points, but next time, post to our sub-forum, we try to have some creative and interesting discussions there. We love modifieds! :-)
I find "Custom Rodder" magazine has a lot of neat articles and tech tips (wish it came out every month). Not much info yet on modifying Hudsons around the net or rags, but if enough of us get building, we'll all be able to put some good information out there for other Hud owners with similar plans.
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I hate to get in the middle of a shouting match, but there's another compelling reason to switch to BrandX motors that hasn't been addressed here. I personally have experienced this "other reason."
Several years ago I desperately needed an uncracked 308 block to replace my cracked block. I called several--by no means not all--senior HET members who regularly had engines and components for sale, explaining what I needed and that my wife uses the Hornet for daily driving including long distance trips with our kids so an uncracked block was absolutely essential. First, not one single seller was interested in the least that our car is a daily driver. Second, none would agree to have the blocks magnafluxed at a machinist local to them before selling to me. Third, none would sell a block and agree to give me my money back if the block proved to be cracked. I purchased 4 blocks sight unseen, all of which were badly cracked and all had at least one crack visible to the naked eye. I gave up and generally quit dealing with HET members regularly advertising parts for sale, especially when I cannot personally inspect the parts prior to purchase. Apparently, it's a buyer-beware attitude among a few of the knowledgable senior parts sellers. It certainly was for one located in my town, who is now deceased... thankfully, I was warned away from him by a few other HET'ers who'd been ripped off by him.
Now this isn't a call-out on sharp dealing on parts. I'm over that. This IS a call-out on a few senior HET'ers trying to have it both ways. First, insisting that a true Hudson is ALL Hudson. Then, contributing to a situation in which trying to have an original Hudson is both enormously expensive as well as dicey as to parts quality. If those folks (and they know who they are) want to hoard parts, cull out the good ones and fob the junk off on younger buyers new to HET, then here's a message....
I'd rather have every single drivetrain component on my Hudson be BrandX and have you scorn it, than for it to be a "true" Hudson you "like" that is just full of junk and garbage and crap you people (and you know who you are) have culled out and charged high prices for. Been there. Done that. Ain't doing it again.
This is absolutley NOT a brickbat at the honest, reputable, and fair guys in the HET club, of which there are many. Fortunately, several of the ones I'm thinking of have croaked and are buying their Hudson parts from ol' Scratch now. Wonder how THAT's going!? LOL.0 -
I don't think your getting into a shouting match, nobody is shouting here except one. I personally know where you are coming from and I posted a month or two back on one of these old codgers that tried to hose me and it didn't work. I called him out on it here, to the HET club, (President and editor) and every member I know here in the western region. He'll pay in the long run for that and it is about all you can do. Kind of sad people have to be that way, were all supposed to be on the same team.0
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464Saloon wrote:Sounds like by the time you change the motor,trans, add a Mustang suspension, it ain't a Hudson anymore. Just my opinion but you are changing everything that makes the car special and different from everything else. The cars ride great, handle well and have plenty of power, even more more available with a few tweaks.
464Saloon, I used paint that I bought from AutoColorLibrary.com to repaint my car.
This paint did not come from an authorized Hudson distributor; do you think I should remove all Hudson ID's (badges, handles, etc) from my car and tell everyone that it's a 1954 Mercury?0 -
royer wrote:People have been running SBC's in Hudsons since SBC's were introduced. It's your car - do what ya want. An SBC will fit fine in a Wasp - Jay's putting a 'Vette motor in his Pacemaker which is the same wheelbase as the Wasp, and I'm sure the SBC has a smaller footprint than the big straight 6 that was originally in your Hudson.
I think it's great that you're considering keeping the Wasp a 6 by using a 4.2 Chevy, but it probably would be a lot more costly than a carburated 350 because of the extra cost of the computers and controllers - unless you have a line on a wrecked Chevy pickup for sale cheap.
royer, pls post a photo of a Chevy 350 in a 54 Super Wasp; thanks.
The trick on the Chevy V6, 4.3L (VIN "Z") is to buy the entire car or truck so you have all the connections such as a TV cable for the tranny (you'll ruin it in a heartbeat if it's set wrong), linkages, mounts, computer, wiring, sub-frame if you want it (maybe from an S-10 or S-15, or a Caprice, or an 85-88 Monte Carlo w/VIN code "Z", or a GMC or Chevy truck), intake and exhaust manifolds, etc. Some motors have the roller cam & TBI. Just a little research yields amazing results; then you look for the right transplant and roll your sleeves up. thinking........0 -
If you are going to do the swap why not locate a Buick Grand National setup with turbo/intercooler w/ 2004R trans ready to go. This is the HOT setup. It should fit fine and there are plenty of aftermarket goodies to go into it to make it even hotter.0
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Can't find a pic of a short wheelbase stepdown with an SBC. My bad ... I stand corrected.0
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If you're gonna drive it every day and keep the hood closed, go to it. If you want to take it to a show and talk to people about Hudsons, forget it.0
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Now here we have a 262-powered Monte Carlo doing an awesome burnout (3 photos of same burnout); click on the following URL, and then scrowl down to the following quote, & click on each burnout:
http://www.montecarloss.com/SSExhibit_NonSS.html
scrowl down to here:
"Joshua Irwin's LS from Phelps, NY
Joshua's LS has a 4.3L (262 cu in) under the hood which he has done alot of work to. It currently has all new TBI, including injectors and wires, new hose's, starter, dual exhaust, the Cragar's, fresh paint, new brake lines, and O2 sensor, just minor tunes to get it running to his expectations. He only paid $600 from a guy who bought it at an auction."
CLICK on the burnouts:
Burnout, Burnout, Burnout
PS: seen a 262 Hudson run like that lately? ...just curious? ....thinking0 -
If you guys don't want to grow the club and gain some younger members, this is exactly the attitude you need to promote!Uncle Josh wrote:If you're gonna drive it every day and keep the hood closed, go to it. If you want to take it to a show and talk to people about Hudsons, forget it.
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With all that has happened this year it would make sense to preserve that car as a stock 54 Wasp Hollywood. I'm sure you could buy another Hudson with a conversion already done for less than it will cost you redo the Super Wasp. There are Hudson rods on Ebay all the time....0
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Yeah, here is an ebay example of another one of those damm GM, Vortec, V6, 4.3L, 262 cu in, ~190 hp, tuned-ported, computerized motor, w/factory roller cam, throttle body fuel injection, 4-spd automatic tranny w/GREAT gas mileage and over 257,890 miles - ain't it pathetic?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140001697564&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1
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464Saloon, I used paint that I bought from AutoColorLibrary.com to repaint my car.
This paint did not come from an authorized Hudson distributor; do you think I should remove all Hudson ID's (badges, handles, etc) from my car and tell everyone that it's a 1954 Mercury?
I was just voicing an opinion. You took it out of context. I know it is almost impossible to have a car 100% original and in many cases it is not practical. It just seems to me when you change that many major components, you just lose the character of the car. Might as well just go buy a new car and have all the bells and whistles you want. When I restored my 55 F-100, I did it almost all stock or stock appearing. I changed it from green to red, 6v to 12v, made some subtle changes in the motor to give it more umph, still looks and sounds stock. The attention that it gets at the shows, is double the ones that are modified. Yeah I agree a late model motor, independent suspension,A/C etc etc would make it nicer, but then it wouldn't have the look and feel of a 55 Ford. I get a kick out of how all my old cars drive. The more people cut up and modify theirs, the rarer and more desirable to people mine becomes. Like I said it is just an opinion. The Hudson was an incredible car for it's day. They haven't made them for a long long time and they will never be made again. Within reason of course I am going to keep mine as close as to how Hudson built it as I can.0 -
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Originally Posted by 54 HSWH
464Saloon, I used paint that I bought from AutoColorLibrary.com to repaint my car.
This paint did not come from an authorized Hudson distributor; do you think I should remove all Hudson ID's (badges, handles, etc) from my car and tell everyone that it's a 1954 Mercury?
I was just voicing an opinion. You took it out of context. I know it is almost impossible to have a car 100% original and in many cases it is not practical. It just seems to me when you change that many major components, you just lose the character of the car. Might as well just go buy a new car and have all the bells and whistles you want. When I restored my 55 F-100, I did it almost all stock or stock appearing. I changed it from green to red, 6v to 12v, made some subtle changes in the motor to give it more umph, still looks and sounds stock. The attention that it gets at the shows, is double the ones that are modified. Yeah I agree a late model motor, independent suspension,A/C etc etc would make it nicer, but then it wouldn't have the look and feel of a 55 Ford. I get a kick out of how all my old cars drive. The more people cut up and modify theirs, the rarer and more desirable to people mine becomes. Like I said it is just an opinion. The Hudson was an incredible car for it's day. They haven't made them for a long long time and they will never be made again. Within reason of course I am going to keep mine as close as to how Hudson built it as I can.
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induction, 195 hp from the factory; it has the 700R4 tranny attached; I bought this setup in MESA, AZ. In 91 GMC made one of these trucks and in 92 it made only 805, for a total of 806 produced. So this is a rare engine tranny combo. Seller is replacing the V6 with a LT1 (huge V8) out of a Corvette with around 400 hp, to make a FAST pick-m up ^ truck ^
I attained the original computer; will purchase an after market wiring harness from F.A.S.T., a subsidiary of CompCams, Memphis, Tn, to make the swap more simple.
While I was there, Mesa, AZ, I met Joe Polkus (only 3 miles away). He has quite a collection of cars and trucks, and one was a 1978 Rolls Royce Silver Cloud II that will run 140 mph.
He also has a 1936 Hudson pick up with, you-guessed-it, another one of those GM V6 motors and tranny's in it!
He also has a 47 Hudson truck that has an awesome running 308 in it; a daily driver with huge amounts of torque. That man knows how to build a Hudson motor. Joe will be driving this truck to the Nationals in NB this year; look for it, and Joe Polkus too.0 -
No, and hope that I never will. Why ruin a good Hudson? Did some of the '57 Hash come with a Packard V/8?0
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