Disk Wheels
Last week there was some discussion about the possibility of using disk
wheels on our Super Six dream racing cars. This makes a certain amount of
sense if you can find a usable set of disk wheels. Back in the twenties, some
makes of cars were commonly sold with them, Packard and Nash come to mind
right now.
A few problems present themselves. First, these wheels are of the
demountable rim type, hardly very racy looking. Custom hubs would have to be
made to mate them with the Hudson axles. I have no idea how much work might
be involved. Then you have the difficulty of locating a usable set.
Demountable rims for a Nash are probably about as common as demountable rims
for a '26 Hudson.
An interesting side note about disk wheels. Two or three weeks ago I
followed a fellow from our local Orange County Model T Club on tour. During
one of the stops, I complemented him about finally having a T with straight
wheels as there was no wobble at all, the only T I can remember that actually
drives straight. He had recently fitted a set of accessory disk wheels
located at a swap and they looked pretty sharp.
The problem was that the car jumped around on the freeway worse than ever
before even though the wheels ran true. The wheels WERE running straight, I
saw that when driving behind in my Caddie. Further, the instability seemed to
be related to gust loads, such as when being passed by a truck. After kicking
this around awhile, we tentatively decided that the wheels were acting like
an aerofoil at speed. Ts have very quick steering, and even a tiny amount of
laxity in the joints will allow movement. While this is not a problem at 25
mph, at 50 mph the wheel has a considerable amount of sail area that trys to
wrestle the steering mechanism awy from it's intended path. The wood wheels
avoid this problem by not having any significant wing area. To make the
matter even worse, the aerodynamically steerable parts, the wheels, were in
front being a car, rather than in back like an aeroplane, a naturally
unstable position. Every gust was trying to make the car turn around.
Our Hudsons have some advantages the poor T doesn't have. For one thing,
Hudsons have a real steering box rather than the go cart type steering. Pure
weight would also tend to minimize this effect. With heavier tires and
wheels, we should have more gyroscopic stability for the gust loads to work
against. On the other hand, our Hudson racer will be doing twice what the
fastest T could hope to do, and that means gust far higher forces loads to
fight.
I don't think this problem would stop me, but it might encourage extra
attention to the tightness of the steering connections.
Paul O'Neil, Hudson29@aol.com
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wheels on our Super Six dream racing cars. This makes a certain amount of
sense if you can find a usable set of disk wheels. Back in the twenties, some
makes of cars were commonly sold with them, Packard and Nash come to mind
right now.
A few problems present themselves. First, these wheels are of the
demountable rim type, hardly very racy looking. Custom hubs would have to be
made to mate them with the Hudson axles. I have no idea how much work might
be involved. Then you have the difficulty of locating a usable set.
Demountable rims for a Nash are probably about as common as demountable rims
for a '26 Hudson.
An interesting side note about disk wheels. Two or three weeks ago I
followed a fellow from our local Orange County Model T Club on tour. During
one of the stops, I complemented him about finally having a T with straight
wheels as there was no wobble at all, the only T I can remember that actually
drives straight. He had recently fitted a set of accessory disk wheels
located at a swap and they looked pretty sharp.
The problem was that the car jumped around on the freeway worse than ever
before even though the wheels ran true. The wheels WERE running straight, I
saw that when driving behind in my Caddie. Further, the instability seemed to
be related to gust loads, such as when being passed by a truck. After kicking
this around awhile, we tentatively decided that the wheels were acting like
an aerofoil at speed. Ts have very quick steering, and even a tiny amount of
laxity in the joints will allow movement. While this is not a problem at 25
mph, at 50 mph the wheel has a considerable amount of sail area that trys to
wrestle the steering mechanism awy from it's intended path. The wood wheels
avoid this problem by not having any significant wing area. To make the
matter even worse, the aerodynamically steerable parts, the wheels, were in
front being a car, rather than in back like an aeroplane, a naturally
unstable position. Every gust was trying to make the car turn around.
Our Hudsons have some advantages the poor T doesn't have. For one thing,
Hudsons have a real steering box rather than the go cart type steering. Pure
weight would also tend to minimize this effect. With heavier tires and
wheels, we should have more gyroscopic stability for the gust loads to work
against. On the other hand, our Hudson racer will be doing twice what the
fastest T could hope to do, and that means gust far higher forces loads to
fight.
I don't think this problem would stop me, but it might encourage extra
attention to the tightness of the steering connections.
Paul O'Neil, Hudson29@aol.com
NEW email list for Hudson Super Six Cars, 1916-1929!
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/HudsonSuperSix16-29
1926 Hudson Anderson Bodied Coupe
1926 Hudson Parts Car "The Grapes Of Wrath"
1928 Hudson Roadster Project
1929 Hudson Town Sedan
1939 Cadillac Coupe (How'd that get in there?)
Fullerton, California USA
AEROMARK - Need Rubber Stamps or Signs? See:
http://www.aeromark.net
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