Re: [HSS] More on "Those Racers Again......."
Paul,
Thanks for all this. I know Bugatti is supposed to have commented that his cars
were made to go fast and brakes only slow you down, but it's a nice feeling in
competition to know you can push pretty hard until you're close to the corner,
do a bit of heel-and-toe stuff and really power through the corner. This
approach doesn't apply to board- or oval- track type racing (all in top gear)
but it's great fun in hillclimbs and street circuits.
Peter R.
Hudson29@aol.com on 30/05/2000 11:35:24
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Peter writes:
<<I notice that the chassis has been shortened in two places,
and I'm wondering whether the cut above the rear axle is to change
the springing for a particular reason? Looks like the spring itself
would have to be shorter (does this mean the front hanger is moved?)
and that might make it easier to stiffen the springs. Is the
"underslung" effect(photos 012_13a and 009_16a) standard S6 or was
the spring normally above the axle?>>
I had not noticed that the racer has underslung axles. The '26 has the
axles below the springs. I would speculate that a racing car may well want
stiffer springs, but I really have no idea what was done to this early Hudson.
<<More on brakes: Can anyone tell me about the progression from
external contracting 2-wheel brakes? Was there a period of internal
expanding 2-wheel before the change to 4-wheel brakes for 1927?
Hudson went directly from 2 wheel external contracting brakes on the '26
models to 4 wheel internal expanding brakes on the '27 models. They took no
intermediate steps as many other manufacturers did. Those 2 wheel brakes on
the early models work very well. I would trust them comming down Pike's Peak
a lot more than the later enteral expanding type. The only problem is trying
to stop a two ton car that's got some real legs with just two skinny little
motorcycle tires . . .
Wheel/tire sizes: Any idea what size were/are the wheels/tires on
the Red Lion Special? According to the Standard Catalog (what a
book!!) the tire size around 1919 was 34 x 4.5 - what does that
translate to today? 25" x 4.5"? How do I discuss a 34" rim with a
tire supplier?
The old tire vendors can translate the old sizes to the new for you.
There is a formula to convert tire size to rim size that is fairly simple,
something like dividing the tire size in half and adding 50% to the number
that results. My '26 has 21" rims and the new tires are sold by rim size. Our
Model T club is planning a trip to the ranch this summer, perhaps somebody on
that trip can look at the tire size of the Gilmore Red Lion Special for us.
Paul O'Neil, Hudson29@aol.com
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Thanks for all this. I know Bugatti is supposed to have commented that his cars
were made to go fast and brakes only slow you down, but it's a nice feeling in
competition to know you can push pretty hard until you're close to the corner,
do a bit of heel-and-toe stuff and really power through the corner. This
approach doesn't apply to board- or oval- track type racing (all in top gear)
but it's great fun in hillclimbs and street circuits.
Peter R.
Hudson29@aol.com on 30/05/2000 11:35:24
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Subject: [HSS] More on "Those Racers Again......."
Peter writes:
<<I notice that the chassis has been shortened in two places,
and I'm wondering whether the cut above the rear axle is to change
the springing for a particular reason? Looks like the spring itself
would have to be shorter (does this mean the front hanger is moved?)
and that might make it easier to stiffen the springs. Is the
"underslung" effect(photos 012_13a and 009_16a) standard S6 or was
the spring normally above the axle?>>
I had not noticed that the racer has underslung axles. The '26 has the
axles below the springs. I would speculate that a racing car may well want
stiffer springs, but I really have no idea what was done to this early Hudson.
<<More on brakes: Can anyone tell me about the progression from
external contracting 2-wheel brakes? Was there a period of internal
expanding 2-wheel before the change to 4-wheel brakes for 1927?
Hudson went directly from 2 wheel external contracting brakes on the '26
models to 4 wheel internal expanding brakes on the '27 models. They took no
intermediate steps as many other manufacturers did. Those 2 wheel brakes on
the early models work very well. I would trust them comming down Pike's Peak
a lot more than the later enteral expanding type. The only problem is trying
to stop a two ton car that's got some real legs with just two skinny little
motorcycle tires . . .
Wheel/tire sizes: Any idea what size were/are the wheels/tires on
the Red Lion Special? According to the Standard Catalog (what a
book!!) the tire size around 1919 was 34 x 4.5 - what does that
translate to today? 25" x 4.5"? How do I discuss a 34" rim with a
tire supplier?
The old tire vendors can translate the old sizes to the new for you.
There is a formula to convert tire size to rim size that is fairly simple,
something like dividing the tire size in half and adding 50% to the number
that results. My '26 has 21" rims and the new tires are sold by rim size. Our
Model T club is planning a trip to the ranch this summer, perhaps somebody on
that trip can look at the tire size of the Gilmore Red Lion Special for us.
Paul O'Neil, Hudson29@aol.com
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1926 Hudson Anderson Bodied Coupe
1926 Hudson Parts Car "The Grapes Of Wrath"
1928 Hudson Roadster Project
1929 Hudson Town Sedan
1939 Cadillac Coupe (How'd that get in there?)
Fullerton, California USA
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