Re: [HSS] Digest Number 728

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Would you be able to resend HSS Digest Number 727.



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> 1. mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

> From: Hudson Town Sedan <hudsontownsedan@earthlink.net>

> 2. Re: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

> From: "Kit Foster" <foster@netbox.com>

> 3. Re: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

> From: Hudson29@aol.com

> 4. Re: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

> From: Geoff Clark <geoffclark@xtra.co.nz>

> 5. Re: new owner needs help with 1929 Hudson

> From: "John Meadows" <meadows@dcsi.net.au>

> 6. Re: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

> From: "hudson2x28" <hudson2x28@yahoo.com>

> 7. Re: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

> From: "hudson2x28" <hudson2x28@yahoo.com>

> 8. Re: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

> From: Lew Phelps <hudsontownsedan@earthlink.net>

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> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:23:17 -0700

> From: Hudson Town Sedan <hudsontownsedan@earthlink.net>

> Subject: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

>

> Item # 1852390681 is described as a '29 Hudson hubcap. It ain't.

> Anyone know for sure what years it would apply to?

>

> It's also NOS, so when the proper year surfaces, it would be a nice item

> for someone.

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> Lew Phelps

> Pasadena, CA

> 1929 Hudson Town Sedan

> http://home.earthlink.net/~hudsontownsedan

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> Message: 2

> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:35:00 -0400

> From: "Kit Foster" <foster@netbox.com>

> Subject: Re: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

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> On 19 Aug 2002 at 5:23, Hudson Town Sedan wrote:

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> > Item # 1852390681 is described as a '29 Hudson hubcap. It ain't.

> > Anyone know for sure what years it would apply to?

> >

> > It's also NOS, so when the proper year surfaces, it would be a nice

> > item for someone.

> >

>

> The factory photos in the Butler and Conde books show this style for

> 1919-28 (wooden artillery wheels, of course), although it's not clear if

> there are any size/thread variations over the years. They come in two

> styles, the "Hudson Motor Car Co." as shown, and one that reads

> simply "Hudson Super Six." My 1925 Brougham has the latter. The

> December 1926 Parts List shows only "Hub cap," p/n BZ 16270

> (front), BZ 15187 (rear) without illustration (85 cents at that time). The

> fronts (which the eBay cap is) are larger.

>

> In my experience these are not exactly rare, though I don't think I've

> come across NOS very often. I stopped collecting them about 20

> years ago when I had accumulated enough to replace my poorer ones.

>

> Kit

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> Message: 3

> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:04:05 EDT

> From: Hudson29@aol.com

> Subject: Re: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

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> It is very hard to tell what year it should go on. It will fit the front

> hub of a '28 and earlier Super Six. We had a thread about this some time ago

> and I think we discerned no less than 4 variations. I know I have two

> variants on the '26 Coupe! Too bad nobody knows what years the different caps

> should go on!

>

> Paul O'Neil, Hudson29@aol.com

> Fullerton, California USA

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> Message: 4

> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:29:19 +1200

> From: Geoff Clark <geoffclark@xtra.co.nz>

> Subject: Re: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

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> Hudson Town Sedan wrote:

> >

> > Item # 1852390681 is described as a '29 Hudson hubcap. It ain't.

> > Anyone know for sure what years it would apply to?

> >

> > It's also NOS, so when the proper year surfaces, it would be a nice

> > item for someone.

> >

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> > Lew Phelps

> > Pasadena, CA

> > 1929 Hudson Town Sedan

> > http://home.earthlink.net/~hudsontownsedan

> It is 1928 and earlier, all models back to around 1919. before that I

> believe they were brass,

> Geoff.

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> Message: 5

> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:12:12 +1000

> From: "John Meadows" <meadows@dcsi.net.au>

> Subject: Re: new owner needs help with 1929 Hudson

>

> Hi, good to see you made the right choice of cars at the auction.

> In respect to the rods and caps being assembled incorrectly, these would

> have been machined to size with the shims in place. You must determine the

> correct caps to suit the right rods.

> 1. Check crank big end diameter with micrometer for size and roundness.

> 2. Make sure all big ends are the same size.

> 3. Get someone to machine a piece of steel to the same Diam. as the crank.

> This must be the same size and if possible be ground on a cylindrical

> grinder.

> Make it about 4" long so you can place it in a vyce and assemble each rod

> and

> cap with shims etc. This will assist you in sorting out the caps and rods.

> When correctly bolted together with shims etc. at 40 -45 ft lb. the rod

> should just drop under its own weight. You may have to scrape the bearing

> using bearing blue to get the the right fit etc.

> 4. Restamp the the rods and caps.

> Hope this helps

> John.

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> ----- Original Message -----

> From: checknyt <cfullom@home.com>

> To: <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:36 AM

> Subject: [HSS] new owner needs help with 1929 Hudson

>

> > I am the person who purchased the 1929 Standard Sedan that was

> > auctioned last Saturday near York, PA.

> > I have a couple of British cars which I have rebuilt, but I am new to

> > Hudsons. They were also auctioning an XK120, but when I checked out

> > the 1929 Hudson and researched it, I ended up buying it (instead). I

> > would classify it as an older restoration, I believe in the late

> > 1970's or early 1980's

> >

> > After the auction I met someone who said they had heard the car run

> > beautifully last year, and had ridden in it. It had a new clutch in

> > June, 2001, and was driven around 650 miles since then. The former

> > owner, Bill Small, died late last year, and was in the process of

> > working on the engine at that time. It was sold with the

> > understanding that he had done somewhat of a rebuild because he was

> > not satisfied with the performance and upon restart after reassembly

> > there was a knock or noise that was never fixed. I spoke to several

> > people that had known him, and supposedly he was very good

> > mechanically, but was sick at the time he was working on it.

> > Supposedly he only ran it a few seconds and shut it off, but died

> > before he had a chance to repair it.

> >

> > Before the auction, an out-of-town person familiar with Hudsons was

> > hired to see if he could fix the engine. He removed the pan and

> > examined things, and said he believed two rods were in wrong and that

> > the head would have to come off, and he therefore could not fix it in

> > one afternoon. He subsequently bid on the car at the auction, for

> > what that's worth.

> >

> > I found one of the intake valve clearances to be very large, caused

> > by a stray washer laying between the head and the rocker assembly.

> > After fixing that, I started the car, believing I had fixed the

> > problem. Of course it wasn't that simple, and it does have what I

> > believe is a rod bearing knock.

> >

> > A have pull down the oil pan, and trying to figure out what to do

> > next. All the rods have the proper right-hand or left-hand offset as

> > required. None of the rods seem to have play in the bearing, but

> > checking for play in the 3 or 9 o'clock position is hard to do

> > because it requires enough force to move the piston up or down.

> >

> > >From a "Parts Lists", I noticed the rods alternate with respect to

> > the slight of offset they have coming off the crankshaft. They have

> > two distinct part numbers, requiring 3 of each rods for the engine.

> > I have a spare rod, and it appears that you could just flip it 180

> > degrees depending on which cylinder you are on to get the proper

> > offset, then of course the cap and dipper would have to go in the

> > direction of proper "scooping". I am guessing this would not work

> > though, because you might now have the cap flipped 180 degrees from

> > the machining that was done on the bearing.

> >

> > Inspecting my engine, all the rods seem to have part number 30560 on

> > them, followed by an "L" with a circle around it. I'm wondering if

> > half of them should have an "R", or if the "L" means something other

> > than left-hand, or perhaps since the bearing have no-doubt been

> > redone at some point it may not matter?

> >

> > Another unusual thing is that the rods and caps have lots of

> > different numbers stamped on them at various places, typically where

> > the bolt hole is cast, which I think was to designate the cylinder

> > number. Other than cylinder 6, which has a 6 on both parts, the

> > numbers on the caps don't match the rods, but it's not as simple as

> > seeing the 4 cap is on the 3 rod, or anything like that. For

> > example, one rod has a 5 and a 7 (why higher than 6?), and the cap

> > has a 2. But no rods have a 2, and no caps have the 5 and7 on them.

> > Perhaps it doesn't matter if the bearings have been redone, but I

> > don't seem to have a set of 1-6, rods and caps, as I would have

> > preferred.

> >

> > Can anyone please give me the background information I'm obviously

> > missing, and ideally some advice on what to do next. I'm wondering

> > how the mechanic that checked it was able to conclude two rods were

> > wrong, or if that was a guess. How would I determine which two?

> > Also, what's the best procedure to follow for getting the shimming

> > correct when I do reassemble it?

> >

> > Could it be a simple over-shim problem that I can check for and

> > correct without removing the head? I had thought that was more

> > likely than a situation of an experienced mechanic getting the rods

> > interchanged, but it conflicts with the opinion of the guy who

> > checked it out, so I don't know.

> > Thanks much to anyone who can help. I've never driven a Hudson, but

> > look forward to it, the sooner the better.

> >

> >

> >

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> Message: 6

> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:45:16 -0000

> From: "hudson2x28" <hudson2x28@yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

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> Yes, it's the same as those on my '28 - and I therefore would bid for

> it myself except the seller will only ship in the USA - silly really

> marketing it across the world but only being prepared to ship within

> your country - So good luck USA bidders - you'll have no overseas

> competition

>

> Brett

>

> --- In HudsonSuperSix16-29@y..., Geoff Clark <geoffclark@x> wrote:

> > Hudson Town Sedan wrote:

> > >

> > > Item # 1852390681 is described as a '29 Hudson hubcap. It ain't.

> > > Anyone know for sure what years it would apply to?

> > >

> > > It's also NOS, so when the proper year surfaces, it would be a

> nice

> > > item for someone.

> > >

> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

> > >

> > > Lew Phelps

> > > Pasadena, CA

> > > 1929 Hudson Town Sedan

> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~hudsontownsedan

> > It is 1928 and earlier, all models back to around 1919. before

> that I

> > believe they were brass,

> > Geoff.

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> Message: 7

> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:45:40 -0000

> From: "hudson2x28" <hudson2x28@yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

>

> Yes, it's the same as those on my '28 - and I therefore would bid for

> it myself except the seller will only ship in the USA - silly really

> marketing it across the world but only being prepared to ship within

> your country - So good luck USA bidders - you'll have no overseas

> competition

>

> Brett

>

> --- In HudsonSuperSix16-29@y..., Geoff Clark <geoffclark@x> wrote:

> > Hudson Town Sedan wrote:

> > >

> > > Item # 1852390681 is described as a '29 Hudson hubcap. It ain't.

> > > Anyone know for sure what years it would apply to?

> > >

> > > It's also NOS, so when the proper year surfaces, it would be a

> nice

> > > item for someone.

> > >

> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

> > >

> > > Lew Phelps

> > > Pasadena, CA

> > > 1929 Hudson Town Sedan

> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~hudsontownsedan

> > It is 1928 and earlier, all models back to around 1919. before

> that I

> > believe they were brass,

> > Geoff.

>

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> Message: 8

> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:19:55 -0700

> From: Lew Phelps <hudsontownsedan@earthlink.net>

> Subject: Re: mismarked Super Six hubcap on ebay

>

> I tried to reply to this offline, but the email bounced with the

> following error message:

>

> Sorry your message to hudson2x28@yahoo.com cannot be delivered. This

> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102]. - mta594.mail.yahoo.com

>

> Anyway, if you want the hubcap, i will bid in your behalf and then

> re-mail it to you.

> this will cost you a little extra -- the additional postage from seller

> to me -- but otherwise it'll be a straight passthrough of costs. You

> can pay me via paypal when it's all done.

>

> Lewis M. Phelps

> 1929 Hudson Town Sedan

> Pasadena, CA

>

> On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 01:45 AM, hudson2x28 wrote:

>

> > Yes, it's the same as those on my '28 - and I therefore would bid for

> > it myself except the seller will only ship in the USA - silly really

> > marketing it across the world but only being prepared to ship within

> > your country - So good luck USA bidders - you'll have no overseas

> > competition

> >

> > Brett

> >

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